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girlwiththerainysoul
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posted December 11, 2016 04:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I understand what you mean by this.

Have you also looked at Pallas Athena? I think this asteroid also has connections with equality, weaving ideas together and fairness.

On the martial side, she fights for justice and equal treatment etc. So the "equality" general so to speak.


I haven't had much experience with Pallas Athena, but I find it similar to Artemis somehow, which also acts based on justice and the "heroine" concept; although she is also definitely rebellious and even feisty. I get more Aries or Mars from her.

If Aries is the soldier then Libra is the military general or the one who conducts the strategies. while Aries is individualistic, Libra is social and considers everybody's welfare, hence the concept of the Judge or Justice.

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posted December 11, 2016 04:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Hey Aries23 ✌.

I just want to point something out, you have Mars in Libra so your Mars is ruled by Venus and Venus in Scorpio so your Venus is ruled by the personal planet Mars with Aries rising.

I would think you would personally identify with Eris similarly to someone with a Libra stellium aspecting Mars or a Sun in Libra with Mars in Scorpio.

My experience with Libra clients who don't fit into the above categories is that they stress a lot about hurting other people's feelings or upsetting others and struggle with assertiveness and excess guilt because of it.

Their charm is not two-faced as they want you to like them and want to bond with you. They want harmony and to get along with others, they don't like drama,have good social skills and don't like rudeness.

The difference is that with Sun in Libra with Mars in Scorpio or similar combos,you will be polite and avoid conflict till a certain point but then eventually explode; feeling that aggressiveness is the only way for you to get through and be taken seriously.

But they don't turn to aggression automatically and ideologically hate force and violence.

I would also point out Aries23 that there are a lot of threads filled with drama and conflict and I never see you in them nor have I never seen you be rude but you are always true to how you feel.


I try to avoid pushing against anything. I always feel its an uphill battle to do so.

Its just better to focus on the things that you do want and rendezvous with those than slaying the ones that you don't want

My Eris is @ 14 Deg of Aries widely conjunct my Asc @ Aries 20 Degrees.

Pallas is at 0 deg Aquarius widely conjunct the Mid-heaven by 8 Degrees

I haven't spent much time with asteroids except Chiron and Juno.But I will be doing some reading on them.

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posted December 11, 2016 06:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
One of the traits of fascism is collectivism and a welfare state. That been said fascism does not stem from capitalism but from communism which stems from socialism. Another trait of fascism is big government, big military, big welfare state; a population that increasingly depends more and more on government to function.

America is not a real capitalist nation btw since our big government its in bed with tons of corporations it keeps bailing out not allowing real capitalism to function and flourish like it's suppose to; check out crony capitalism for more info.


A trait of capitalism, late-capitalism, is increased military & remote war, increased surveillance and increased terrorism. As oil supplies dwindle. I read this 20 years ago before the mechanics of surveillance were even tangible and I've witnessed it bear out.

At their extreme, capitalism and communism become synonymous with each other. I was told to picture a clock. 12-4 is capitalism, 4-8 socialism and 8-12 communism. If the hands swing towards 12 it's the same thing.

I don't see this new political landscape as anti-cronyism. I see it as factions within the wealthy wrestling for control and that we are moving to an oligarchy.

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posted December 11, 2016 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunarRose     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus ---> Libra
Earth/Terra ---> Taurus

Even Donna Cunningham believes this.

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posted December 11, 2016 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for diamondbaby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have always been one of those that said that Venus doesn't fit Libra. Venus is definitely an earthy planet, and in Roman mythology Venus was also the goddess of gardens besides many other things that can be associated with Taurus. In my opinion Libra is not the pretty, blonde airhead with a fake smile like some astrologers think. Libra isn't sensual. Generally speaking, Air signs can be emotionally cold and detached. They use their head, not their heart. Libra is a Cardinal Air sign, intellectual and very ambitious, with a strong sense of justice.

I think that Pallas rules Libra. Pallas Athena (her Roman equivalent is Minerva) was the goddess of law, justice, wisdom, civilization, war strategy, skills.

Ares (Aries) and Athena (Libra) both were deities of warfare (they both represent ambitious Cardinal signs). Ares (Aries) was a brutal, impulsive, hot-headed god who acted without thinking and loved to fight for the sake of fighting. Athena (Libra) on the other hand never waged wars blindly, she fought battles by being smart and tactful, used strategy and intelligence, and calculated each move carefully. If that doesn't describe the Aries-Libra axis, then I don't know what does.

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posted December 11, 2016 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I try to avoid pushing against anything. I always feel its an uphill battle to do so.

Its just better to focus on the things that you do want and rendezvous with those than slaying the ones that you don't want

My Eris is @ 14 Deg of Aries widely conjunct my Asc @ Aries 20 Degrees.

Pallas is at 0 deg Aquarius widely conjunct the Mid-heaven by 8 Degrees

I haven't spent much time with asteroids except Chiron and Juno.But I will be doing some reading on them.


Is very wise and classy of you to stay away from the drama. I admire that, not doing so is a great way to lose your life force in things that are not worth it and just ultimately power struggles bc nothing positive ever comes out of those things, I just end up feeling pain in such threads or feeling drained.

Focus on the things you want is the key, very wise of you.

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posted December 11, 2016 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by florence:
A trait of capitalism, late-capitalism, is increased military & remote war, increased surveillance and increased terrorism. As oil supplies dwindle. I read this 20 years ago before the mechanics of surveillance were even tangible and I've witnessed it bear out.

At their extreme, capitalism and communism become synonymous with each other. I was told to picture a clock. 12-4 is capitalism, 4-8 socialism and 8-12 communism. If the hands swing towards 12 it's the same thing.

I don't see this new political landscape as anti-cronyism. I see it as factions within the wealthy wrestling for control and that we are moving to an oligarchy.


Florence I respect your answer bc you responded to my logical argument with a logical argument/response, thanks for that.

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posted December 12, 2016 07:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunarRose     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Diamond Baby


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Originally posted by diamondbaby:
I have always been one of those that said that Venus doesn't fit Libra. In my opinion Libra is not the pretty, blonde airhead with a fake smile like some astrologers think.


So you're saying Taurus is the "the pretty blonde airhead with a fake smile" then? Venus should represent Love and War, not a sexist stereotype of women. I own a dozen astrology books and I don't remember any of them referring to Libra as an "airhead." There are experienced, certified, and published astrologers and then on the other hand there are seventeen year-olds on astrology forums and the many amateur astrologers with blogs and YouTube channels.

It's funny that people don't get into these debates between Gemini and Virgo. I've seen many proposed rules of Libra. Athena, Chiron, Eris, etc..

I remember one Libra man on this very website stating how he felt that Apollo should rule Libra. He argued that Libra is a Masculine sign and he himself is a man, so he should have a male God ruling over his sign. It was painfully obvious he was uncomfortable with a female God ruling his sign. That's kind of funny in a ridiculous way... but it's also very sad that only 3 out of 12 signs are represented by female Gods and men are still "threatened." I wonder when grown Taurus and Cancer men will make similar threads. I haven't specifically searched for them, so who knows maybe they already exist.

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posted December 12, 2016 07:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunarRose     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 13, 2016 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think an important thing to remember about Libra is that it is the *striving* for balance and all the juggling that entails that looks from the outside as "indecisiveness" or "divisiveness".

There is always the urge to see both sides to bring a balance or harmony, but this process incurs discord, simply because the two opposing sides exist in the first place - Libra is not responsible for creating the two sides, but they will be highlighted, as when Libra detects them, they go on a mission to resolve them, to make it "fair".

IMO Libra is queen of the grey, which tries to combine the best of the black and white.

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posted December 13, 2016 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
since I find these two topics somewhat inter-related, another quote from the "libra aint loyal" thread
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Originally posted by Nine:

Don't mean to pop too many bubbles but according to Robert Hand, Vedic Astrology appears to be based largely on Ancient Greek astrology. So this view of Libra/7H & death has roots in the West.

this is making more sense to me (the association of libra with death or satan) with the 7th house standing for libra; because I always wondered why the 7th house also represents "open" enemies, and the most open enemy of mankind would be satan of course who swore to lure every human into hell.

now the interesting thing is that, the sun is supposedly exalted at 19 degrees of Aries, and thus in fall at 19 degrees of Aries, which is by surprise (or maybe not) the sun degree of the satanist Aleister Crowley.

I hope dear Libra people won't take offense by this, we're not talking about every Libra.


@Nine

what do you think about Eris being representative of Libra?

of course I only thought about it ruling Libra since it's somewhat like a planet; I would never suppose an asteroid to rule over a sign.

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