posted December 10, 2016 08:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Nine:

Astrology would have us believe Libra is charm, grace, diplomacy, and conflict resolution. Venus, maybe. Libra, not automatically. Whenever a Libras is selfish, obnoxious, or combative some astrologers say; they are channeling the Aries opposition. <<<-- that is BS! Libra IS selfish, obnoxious, combative, and argumentative. Get to know them and you will see it.

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I was thinking about how there is much speculation about what exactly rules Libra.

a while ago I was reading about the Eris myth and all along in my head I kept being reminded of different people with libra (sun, moon, AC or MC) which I know.

Eris is similar to venus in many ways (beauty symbol or a seductress) but it is also known that she caused wars by going back and forth between two enemies (the indecisiveness). she told lies and turned people against each other.

considering how some of the most war hungry people throughout the history have been libra influenced, looking at Hitler, Stalin or the modern day Jimmy Carter, Henry Kissinger, Netanyahu, George W. Bush or Walid Phares (libra jupiter), responsible for the the Sabra and Shatila massacre. Putin (libra stellium) seems like an exception here; maybe he has decided to represents the more fair/just side like JFK, or maybe his 12th house stellium or the scoprio AC make him more caring and sensitive to humanity.

libra is the other end of Aries. just as both gemini and sagittarius are involved in learning, and both taurus and scorpio involved in finance, both libra and aries are involved in war.

the cancer/capricon axis is also the second most common in war criminals, but for a different reason. they attack other countries out of insecurity (cancer); for instance fearing that their own energy resources might run out, so they start building (capricorn) their societies on africa's mines or middle east's oil. they have a constant fear that their home (cancer) might get attacked, so they attack first and build solidly (capricorn) to protect against attacks. this axis is the foundation of fascism/neo-fascism as well as capitalism imo, when pushed toward the negative sides of these two signs.

Eris is a dwarf planet like Pluto. in my opinion Libra people are influenced much more by Eris than Venus.

posted December 10, 2016 08:48 AM            

Eris is an erratic energy and Libra is a smooth and harmonious energy

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posted December 10, 2016 08:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I, personally, don't see Eris with Libra, at all lol

Eris is an erratic energy and Libra is a smooth and harmonious energy

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interesting because I don't see Eris as erratic at all

posted December 10, 2016 09:01 AM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
In some ways, she exposed the unflattering side of other goddesses and used it in a strategy to make them quarrel among themselves. Such a psychological war tactic.

From what I've read, I feel that aries is more like the meeting the opponent head on/thinking on their feet kind of warrior, while Eris is more calculating.

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interesting about Eris. this is the behavior I have seen Libra influenced folks express on their darker sides. while venus people turn into hedonists at their worst days. there is little tact or mindfulness with them, while Eris uses its calculates (the air element) quite well.

posted December 10, 2016 09:06 AM            

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Originally posted by soren:
actually with my genious i can find exact eris horizon conjunctions, the energy would be seen evidently of what it's like. i'd have to calculate people who have eris exactly on the horizon slant. each horizon slants differently. just like how that one actor looked exactly like a planet conjunct pluto. but it'd take a lot of work, but it'd be quite interesting.

just cause it's 16 d south and would be impossible to get it conjunct anything significant.

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another thing I have noticed was how sun was in capricorn (square libra) when Eris was first discovered. just as the sun was in aquarius (square scorpio) the day Pluto was discovered.

posted December 10, 2016 09:17 AM            

But isn't Venus also capable of the not so "beautiful"?

There are many stories of people who fought brutally against each other because of some beautiful princess or something of the other that the heroes wanted to court and marry in African folklore(Libra).

But there are also stories of tribes being brought together in harmony by a beautiful maiden/woman or girl of some sort(Libra)

In the end Venus like other planets, can wield the power for good or ill.

I'll look into Eris though because I want to revisit this too.

posted December 10, 2016 11:43 AM            

I've eris on my Mercury and I'm sure I can call on its energy under stress. I've merc opp Pluto and certain situations make me clam up out of nerves. However, when I really really want to overcome that the energy that I tap into next, my emergency mode, is just like eris is described.

Well anyway, it is discordant .. But It's a bit like a devils advocate too so I could see it as being a part of libra. It's not very serious an energy, but in my case it comes out of a very restrictive/heavy place (which is like the myth) and because of that juggles all the variables for the fun of it and rebelliously.

posted December 10, 2016 01:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I read this on an article some time ago. Not sure where though.But it also suggested Eris as the ruler of Libra

But isn't Venus also capable of the not so "beautiful"?

There are many stories of people who fought brutally against each other because of some beautiful princess or something i that they wanted to marry in folklore(Libra).

But there are also stories of tribes being brought together in harmony by a beautiful maiden/woman or girl of some sort(Libra)

In the end, Venus like other planets, can wield the power for good or ill.

I'll look into Eris though because I want to revisit this too.

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I just found this article (maybe it's the one you read?). it also refers to Eris as the modern ruler for Libra and how "The Greeks saw Libra the constellation as the claws of Scorpio which again fits the dark goddess connection quite well."
http://darkstarastrology.com/lilith-persephone-and-rulership-of-libra/

posted December 10, 2016 01:53 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
I just found this article (maybe it's the one you read?). it also refers to Eris as the modern ruler for Libra and how "The Greeks saw Libra the constellation as the claws of Scorpio which again fits the dark goddess connection quite well."

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posted December 10, 2016 02:05 PM            

do you remember the Channing Tatum's AC thread?

I still think Libra because it happened more than a few times when a person who gave me militaristic impressions turned out to be a Libra sun, AC or other important placement.

tatum really gives me the "military guy" vibe!

my own aunt is a heavy Libra and she was in the army in her 20s.

posted December 10, 2016 02:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
No. Only planets hold the core energy principles that are expressed through the 12 signs. The so-called dwarf planets and asteroids are minor stories and do not represent stations of consciousness needed for our spiritual development in this system.

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so do you consider Mars the ruler for Scorpio?

posted December 10, 2016 10:02 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
so do you consider Mars the ruler for Scorpio?

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Mars, which vibrates red, is the personal significator of Scorpio. Pluto, which vibrates saturated red, is the trans-personal significator of Scorpio.

Jupiter, which vibrates blue, is the personal significator of Pisces/Sag. Neptune, which vibrates saturated blue, is the trans-personal sigificator of those signs.

Saturn, which vibrates green, is the personal significator of Cap/Uranus. Uranus, which vibrates saturated green, is the trans-personal significator of those signs.

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also, dwarf planets are very different from asteroids

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They are still not the major planets. If you look in-depth at progressed aspects against the backdrop of a chart's house structure you will find absolutely no need to rely on or even include dwarfs or asteroids as 'ruler's or significators of those signs/houses. The planets show the correct significance for the life events and houses involved IF you include all major aspects and know what orbs to use.

posted December 10, 2016 10:03 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
so do you consider Mars the ruler for Scorpio?

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Mars, which vibrates red, is the personal significator of Scorpio. Pluto, which vibrates saturated red, is the trans-personal significator of Scorpio.

Jupiter, which vibrates blue, is the personal significator of Pisces/Sag. Neptune, which vibrates saturated blue, is the trans-personal sigificator of those signs.

Saturn, which vibrates green, is the personal significator of Cap/Uranus. Uranus, which vibrates saturated green, is the trans-personal significator of those signs.

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also, dwarf planets are very different from asteroids

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They are still not the major planets. If you look in-depth at progressed aspects against the backdrop of a chart's house structure you will find absolutely no need to rely on or even include dwarfs or asteroids as 'ruler's or significators of those signs/houses. The planets show the correct significance for the life events and houses involved IF you include minor aspects and locate all cusps in declination.

posted December 10, 2016 11:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Will read that. Thanks

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Hey Aries23 ✌.

I just want to point something out, you have Mars in Libra so your Mars is ruled by Venus and Venus in Scorpio so your Venus is ruled by the personal planet Mars with Aries rising. I would think you would personally identify with Eris similarly to someone with a Libra stellium aspecting Mars or a sun in Libra with mars in Scorpio.

My experience with Libra clients who don't fit into the above categories is that they stress a lot about hurting other people's feelings or upsetting others and struggle with assertiveness and excess guilt bc of it. Their charm is not two faced they want you to like them and want to bond with you, they want harmony and to get along with others, they don't like drama and have good social skills, they dont like rudeness. The difference is that with sun in Libra with Mars in Scorpio or similar combos you will be polite and avoid conflict till a certain point but then eventually explode feeling that aggressiveness is the only way to get through to you and be taken seriously but they don't turn to aggression automatically and ideologically hate force and violence.

posted December 11, 2016 12:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
They are still not the major planets. If you look in-depth at progressed aspects against the backdrop of a chart's house structure you will find absolutely no need to rely on or even include dwarfs or asteroids as 'ruler's or significators of those signs/houses. The planets show the correct significance for the life events and houses involved IF you include minor aspects and locate all cusps in declination.

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posted December 11, 2016 01:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:

Mars, which vibrates red, is the personal significator of Scorpio. Pluto, which vibrates saturated red, is the trans-personal significator of Scorpio.

Jupiter, which vibrates blue, is the personal significator of Pisces/Sag. Neptune, which vibrates saturated blue, is the trans-personal sigificator of those signs.

Saturn, which vibrates green, is the personal significator of Cap/Uranus. Uranus, which vibrates saturated green, is the trans-personal significator of those signs.

They are still not the major planets. If you look in-depth at progressed aspects against the backdrop of a chart's house structure you will find absolutely no need to rely on or even include dwarfs or asteroids as 'ruler's or significators of those signs/houses. The planets show the correct significance for the life events and houses involved IF you include minor aspects and locate all cusps in declination.

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sorry I got confused.

so you consider Pluto the the same as Neptune and Uranus in their trans-personal-ness but then say that Pluto shouldn't be relied on as the ruler simply because NASA first said it's a planet and then degraded it into a dwarf planet?

I don't know the way you interpret charts but I know enough Scorpio sun, AC or even Mars people to deduce that they're very different from the martian "act first, think later; take initiative" energy of Aries. if anything, they're quite slow to act, it's all about moving according to a plot with them.

the same with Aquarius/Capricorn, or Sagittarius/Pisces people. all very different.

posted December 11, 2016 02:57 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
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America is not a real capitalist nation btw since our big government its in bed with tons of corporations it keeps bailing out not allowing real capitalism to function and flourish like it's suppose to; check out crony capitalism for more info.

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posted December 11, 2016 03:45 AM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
@Aries23

do you remember the Channing Tatum's AC thread?

I still think Libra because it happened more than a few times when a person who gave me militaristic impressions turned out to be a Libra sun, AC or other important placement.

Tatum really gives me the "military guy" vibe!

my own aunt is a heavy Libra and she was in the army in her 20s.

or looking at how actors who have had major military roles such as Dwayne Johnson or Harrison Ford have the Libra AC.

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I understand what you mean by this.

Have you also looked at Pallas Athena? I think this asteroid also has connections with equality, weaving ideas together and fairness.