posted December 14, 2016 08:24 AM            

For example, I will find an Unaspected Mars and pick his brain and /or watch him.

When I see a problem with a hot temper play out again and again, I will form a theory.

If a person comes to me and tells me his brother's best friend has an Unaspected Mars in Scorpio and has no temper, I won't believe it lol

That is where my trouble comes on here.

Someone on here will tell me his brother's cousin has placement A and is nothing like what I have seen

I won't believe it, no matter how much that person argues with me.

I will not discount my own experiences with the charts from other people being angry with me.

I will change if I see something MODIFIED in charts I do, such as one placement modifying the impact of another, that kind of thing.

Then, I will add that to my theory.

I have sooo many people who love what I do and write me hundreds of letters and comments that I give them so much help and they really appreciate me.

These people keep me going when/if other people don't like me.

Also, I am not on LL to be liked. I am not in life to be liked.

I am in life to be AUTHENTIC.

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posted December 14, 2016 08:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
But then again you described your process of analyzing here, and anyone can form their own opinion on this.

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As long as people are RESPECTFUL. I don't care if people disagree, Ceri.

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posted December 14, 2016 08:27 AM            

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posted December 14, 2016 08:37 AM            

However telling people how THEY feel or are, is something absolutely unethical and fallacious. You are not them, Ami. Actually it is some kind of bullying and victimizing, as you are denying the other person`s individual experience and forcing your opinion on them.

And this is something I won`t budge from.

And I don`t care how much you don`t care about this, Ami.

Take care.

posted December 14, 2016 08:37 AM            

Denial is a real thing. I have a Masters in Counseling, as you know.

Everyone is in denial about something or many things.

I am in denial about many things.

If someone gets angry at something, like really angry, that is a sign that they are in denial, too, so if someone FIGHTS and FIGHTS me about something, they have an issue with the thing lol

I would be dumb if I listened to the 2% or the 5% when the 95% tell me one thing.

That is just being smart and logical, Ceri

I think God made me very logical, so I could do Astrology like this.

I have a super logical chart lol

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posted December 14, 2016 08:38 AM            

but rather, see things and the personality of the individual, and then look to the chart and look for possible indicators of why.

I think more so the personality can teach us about the things in the chart, more so

than the chart can teach us about the personality.

posted December 14, 2016 08:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, and we disagree on something very basic here, but hey, so be it.

However telling people how THEY feel or are, is something absolutely unethical and fallacious. You are not them, Ami.

Actually it is a form of bullying and victimizing, as you are denying the other person`s individual experience and forcing your opinion on them.

And this is something I won`t budge from.

And I don`t care how much you don`t care about this, Ami.

Take care.

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posted December 14, 2016 08:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, and we disagree on something very basic here, but hey, so be it.

However telling people how THEY feel or are, is something absolutely unethical and fallacious. You are not them, Ami. Actually it is some kind of bullying and victimizing, as you are denying the other person`s individual experience and forcing your opinion on them.

And this is something I won`t budge from.

And I don`t care how much you don`t care about this, Ami.

Take care.

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We disagree, Ceri. If *I* have seen a placement play out hundreds of times and someone gets angry cuz I talk about it, it is THEIR problem. They can walk away or they can argue but I WILL NOT CHANGE MY THINKING. I will only change it if I see other chart evidence to the contrary. Yes, we disagree, Ceri, but we are doing so respectfully and I am fine with that. Take care, too

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posted December 14, 2016 08:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
NS

I am trying to be a wiser person lol

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posted December 14, 2016 08:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I know I have been too defensive in the past, too, and that was from my own insecurities. I am trying to be a wiser person. It is not easy because sometimes one has to be very strong and stand up for oneself and sometimes one has to be kind and loving and sometimes, one has to walk away, but figuring out which is which is the tough thing and I think everyone would agree lol

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posted December 14, 2016 08:51 AM            

OK---- I have that premise.

Person A comes to me and says that her cousins have a great marriage and they have this.

I would think she was in denial or did not know what was going on in the heads of other people.

YES lol

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posted December 14, 2016 08:55 AM            

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posted December 14, 2016 08:56 AM            

No squares are bad IMO. Even in the natal. Just a different way of being. Of feeling. Balances out

posted December 14, 2016 09:21 AM            

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Originally posted by soren:
my own advice would be: not to see things in the chart and then look for them to be in the individual,

but rather, see things and the personality of the individual, and then look to the chart and look for possible indicators of why.

I think more so the personality can teach us about the things in the chart, more so

than the chart can teach us about the personality.

If you are looking for the chart to teach you about personality, preferably than the other way around, that is putting a bit too much faith into the idea of the powers of interpretation and methodical astrology, and practices, and not enough faith into the reality we actually live in. Lol

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I hear what you say and I agree to some extend. But knowledge is created by both process inductive and deductive. It may be the case after observing 100 cases with moon square moon having problems with relationship you may say with certain confidence that when people has this aspects they "tend" to have problem in relationship.

Ami said that if someone come with the same aspect and say they have a wonderful relationship she wont believe it because they are in denial or they should have an aspect that counterbalance it. it may be the case, and actually, I have been surprised when I see aspects in people which do not seem to resonate with what I see in the person. after some time or some crisis or even after therapy, bum, the aspects shows up. so maybe it is not denial. it is somehow buried somewhere in the subconscious. My point is that we never get to know ourselves totally and the amazing things about charts is that sometimes they reveal things that we are unaware of, like dreams that visit us at night and reveal so many mysteries our conscious mind cannot get.

I agree that we never can exclude what the person is experiencing. I cannot tell someone you feel sad if they do not feel sad. Assuming that there is no denial, no counter-aspect, no submersion of the aspect in the subconscious, then, the explanation needs to be searched. Either to review the theory with the new information or keep watching similar cases that goes against the theory to find an explanation in the future.

I would not say that people are in denial if they do not match a theory based on many cases, but we need to be careful about self-reporting as well.

posted December 14, 2016 09:26 AM            

But don't see an aspect then try to pin those traits on them. That's a bit close minded to me, see the aspect, and actually observe what it is. Not just say 'you will have to be this certain way that has been written in my books'

But of course those would be a guideline, kind of a back and forth understanding, but give equal power to observing what it is,

posted December 14, 2016 09:50 AM            

I could see instantly that the description was accurate.

But if I don't see that it's accurate, I wont pin that they are that way.

Mars conjunct sun friend has a lot of will power, whenever he's going he's going with a drive to accomplish and succeed.

I learned the aspect and then I saw the trait in him. But I wouldn't learn the aspect and convince myself he is like that. Only if it truly seemed so.

posted December 14, 2016 09:50 AM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
point taken!

every aspect needs to be considered within the entire chart story

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This is why it takes me 5 days to do a natal chart. However, certain aspects are, unlikely, to be mitigated by other aspects. For a non controversial example, an Unaspected Scorpio Mars will very UNLIKELY to be docile lol

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posted December 14, 2016 10:02 AM            

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Originally posted by soren:
Well Ami Nessus Asteroid (7066) is in between uranus and neptune for the last 50 years. It is 60 km wide meanwhile Vesta is 500 km wide and 1-3 AU (sun distances away)

So how would Nessus "effect" the individual, just by synchronicity? What are your beliefs?

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My experience with doing charts and seeing Nessus play out in real life has taught me about it, Soren.

If Astrology cannot be practical, it is worthless, imo

If Astrology cannot be concrete, it is worthless, imo

If someone cannot GRASP valuable things to take into everyday life, it is worthless imo

posted December 14, 2016 10:02 AM            

It's nearly the size of our own planet. Well half.

Nessus is 20+ AU away. And 60 KM wide.

posted December 14, 2016 10:06 AM            

20?

And how often do people exhibit abusive in the slightest behaviour who don't have it? Did you pay attention to that to? Cause that's how it should be done.