posted December 19, 2016 03:05 PM            

The Descendant is a part of your chart and that means that it's a part of you. The Descendant and/or planets in the 7th also describe how you are in relationships. It's not just your "other half" in terms of a spouse, a romantic partner, or a best friend. It's the other half of yourself. And you end up seeing it reflected in the people who you attract.

The 7th/Descendant is ruled by Venus and one of the hallmarks of Venus is self-worth. So, I think there is often an imbalance with this part of the chart in that the person does not value these traits enough in themselves and learn to love them in other people. But, when you learn to love them within yourself, you will feel a lot better and love yourself more.

As an Aquarius Rising/NN with a 7th House Leo Sun, SN, and Descendant, I feel like I live with this dichotomy on a powerful level. Really low-key but capable of a big ego. Cool-headed and dramatic. Independent and detached yet can also be demanding. But, the Descendant is more so noticeable in, again, how you act in close relationships or if you just stop and realize that you secretly obsess over it on your own.

You can insist on not being "like that" but you spend so much time insisting on it because you actually are projecting that side of you. Example, me (paraphrasing, ): "I'm not egotistical! It's just that that people keep telling me I'm good-looking! All these compliments aren't necessary. It's kind of exhausting getting told that you're hot, amazing, hilarious, or talented all the time."

I used to own my Leo ego a lot more but I think I've spent the past several years kind of trying to outrun it and be more of my NN. Now, I'm seeing that I need to find more of a balance. And that I need to figure out a way to be both and love my Leo and Aquarius qualities equally.

Anyways, thoughts on this? How do you see this playing out in your chart and life?

posted December 19, 2016 03:23 PM            

It's difficult for me to describe considering that my DSC is in Taurus conjunct Saturn and it is also mutilated by hard aspects. I can't really explain how I am in relationships because I haven't been in a relationship recently, despite my desire to be in a relationship. It would make sense to have Saturn on my DSC because it would make it so much more difficult for me to get into relationships or find a relationship, which is what actually happens.

posted December 19, 2016 03:36 PM            

water is about "feeling"
earth is about "utilizing" the physical.

11th house is not much different from the 7th in that they both "see" outside of themselves. The only difference is 11th is in a fixed state of observing, and cardinal is viewing new things all the time. starting. like noticing details "that's a nice shirt you have"

they notice new things, 11th doesnt, they are fixed, oh hey a shirt, i dont really care because people always wear shirts with different things"

posted December 19, 2016 03:48 PM            

Air "sees" people's thoughts and understandings

Fire "sees" adventure and fun

Earth "sees" the physical solely

posted December 19, 2016 04:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
I've seen many descriptors for the DSC come out, such as how one perceives the world in contrast to themselves, which would be the ASC; how one's partner may be and what one would want in a partner; and how you've described it: how one is in relationships.

It's difficult for me to describe considering that my DSC is in Taurus conjunct Saturn and it is also mutilated by hard aspects. I can't really explain how I am in relationships because I haven't been in a relationship recently, despite my desire to be in a relationship. It would make sense to have Saturn on my DSC because it would make it so much more difficult for me to get into relationships or find a relationship, which is what actually happens.

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Do you have Saturn actually in your 7th House?

That would make even more sense. But, the 7th isn't about just romantic relationships. It's also close friendships.

What I think is that you can't have a great relationship with someone else until you can have a great relationship with yourself. And I think the Descendant tells you how to have that relationship with yourself and to kind of hold out until you find someone who can love your Descendant qualities as much as you have learned to love them.

But, when you have Saturn there, it can be really hard to find that self-loving balance, so that makes relationships harder. However, remembering your age, you have a lot of growing pains to go through with your Saturn!

For Scorpio Rising, I feel like they can struggle to accept the fact that they are, sometimes, just really simple, maybe even a bit shallow, that they sometimes just want a "boring" life. Being too insistent on intensity and depth all the time keeps them from accepting their Taurus Desc. Saturn being there makes it so there's even more reluctance. When you're close to someone, you may be calmer or more level-headed or easygoing that you realize or would like to admit.

posted December 19, 2016 04:32 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:

As an Aquarius Rising/NN with a 7th House Leo Sun, SN, and Descendant, I feel like I live with this dichotomy on a powerful level. Really low-key but capable of a big ego. Cool-headed and dramatic. Independent and detached yet can also be demanding. But, the Descendant is more so noticeable in, again, how you act in close relationships or if you just stop and realize that you secretly obsess over it on your own.

You can insist on not being "like that" but you spend so much time insisting on it because you actually are projecting that side of you.

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You are my opposite !!
I am sun aqua in 7th aqua with SN on the cups and ASC Leo/NN
I understand what you say about dichotomy...
The others see me as very independent in relationships, friendly and open, a little versatile. But inside I feel very generous, warm giving much and needing the attention of others to value / enlighten this part of me that always feels like too elusive and in the shadow of the collective. I do great but not very remarkable things, most of the time I'm like little hands that work lace at the back of the store for others and make things possible ... My achievements are never enough to build my ego . I have it only by a certain pride to be a loyal and upright person. I roar for questions of injustice and dishonesty.
I hope my translation is good (so difficult to explain deep thought sometimes )

Edit:
As a child I was blamed for my "detachment" and my desires for independence and doing things different from others. Now, I really learn to love independence as a quality because I better accomplish my life by trusting to myself and doing things on my own. And yes I value any desire for autonomy in others, telling them that they can stand up for themselves

posted December 19, 2016 05:56 PM            

After that, I started to feel more and more alienated from my boyfriend (now ex-bf), as he wasn't interested at all in exploring this new dimension of life I just discovered. It was also a dimension of myself, a part of myself that has been denied to surface for a long time, so I felt that I cannot be fully me in that relationship anymore.

Before I discovered this aspect in myself, it wasn't important for me to see it reflected in the other person, but my relationships have not been very balanced either and kind of codependent.

posted December 19, 2016 06:14 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
air is about "seeing"
fire is about "being" "hey lets do this and i'm gonna cook this and have fun"

water is about "feeling"
earth is about "utilizing" the physical.

11th house is not much different from the 7th in that they both "see" outside of themselves. The only difference is 11th is in a fixed state of observing, and cardinal is viewing new things all the time. starting. like noticing details "that's a nice shirt you have"

they notice new things, 11th doesnt, they are fixed, oh hey a shirt, i dont really care because people always wear shirts with different things"

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That's very true, helps me understand it.

Thanks for this thread the89freespirit. I've not seen it discussed much in terms of desc and just recently I've been trying to figure it out. Sun on Taurus desc. I feel very conscious of identity and like an hourglass constantly turned upside down from asc to desc. I almost feel equally both but often at the wrong times - probably just the nature of it,that constantly exercises.

posted December 19, 2016 06:22 PM            

so i am curious, if the dsc is truly what they say, is saturn on the dsc make everyone else seem restricted and orderly? and shy?

posted December 19, 2016 10:17 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
Anyways, thoughts on this? How do you see this playing out in your chart and life?

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Hello!

So, some time back I posted some stuff about soul astrology. Unfortunately, I don't think the links I provided work anymore. It's a shame because I thought the information was really insightful and different from the usual stuff I read on the internet.

Anyways, here's what astrologer Ruth Hadikin says about the polarities of the zodiac:

"Six core energies are symbolized by the Zodiac. However, because the human mind (ruled by Gemini) has a tendency to “polarize” (divide and separate into opposites), we experience these energies as 12 separate Zodiac signs, and thus we have the polarities. In the future, when human consciousness is evolved, it is said that the 12 signs will merge into six, and we will experience them as one energy pole – for example, Gemini-Sagittarius.*

Gemini has a vital role to play in the process of resolving these polarities in human consciousness. One mystery of Gemini – and there are many – is the resolution of polarities into Divine Union. Because of this unique function, Gemini is the only sign that has an esoteric connection with all the other signs of the Zodiac. Just like spinning an enormous web (or story), it is through Gemini that all will be woven together at the end."

I'm a Gemini sun/AC and Mercury. It's my destiny to spread the word about integration, lol!

Here's what she has to say about integrating the Aquarius/Leo polarity:
http://www.google .com/amp/s/soulastrologer.wordpress.com/2012/01/26/aquarius-leo-the-flow-of-love-and-the-flowering-of-human-consciousness/amp/?client=safari

posted December 19, 2016 11:11 PM            

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Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars:

I'm a Gemini sun/AC and Mercury.
It's my destiny to spread the word about integration, lol!

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I'm a Gemini sun/DSC(Gem) and Mercury.

I will take everything you say and apply it to my Heart. This would encourage and Inspire you to Keep Reaching For The Stars because you saw how the word you shared Helps people.

ReachingForTheStars

posted December 19, 2016 11:14 PM            

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Originally posted by AwakenSky16:
You are my opposite !!
I am sun aqua in 7th aqua with SN on the cups and ASC Leo/NN
I understand what you say about dichotomy...
The others see me as very independent in relationships, friendly and open, a little versatile. But inside I feel very generous, warm giving much and needing the attention of others to value / enlighten this part of me that always feels like too elusive and in the shadow of the collective. I do great but not very remarkable things, most of the time I'm like little hands that work lace at the back of the store for others and make things possible ... My achievements are never enough to build my ego . I have it only by a certain pride to be a loyal and upright person. I roar for questions of injustice and dishonesty.
I hope my translation is good (so difficult to explain deep thought sometimes )

Edit:
As a child I was blamed for my "detachment" and my desires for independence and doing things different from others. Now, I really learn to love independence as a quality because I better accomplish my life by trusting to myself and doing things on my own. And yes I value any desire for autonomy in others, telling them that they can stand up for themselves

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posted December 19, 2016 11:30 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
I'm a Gemini sun/DSC(Gem) and Mercury.

I will take everything you say and apply it to my Heart. This would encourage and Inspire you to Keep Reaching For The Stars because you saw how the word you shared Helps people.

ReachingForTheStars

(Love Hadikin very much! ... )

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Awe!! How incredibly sweet of you! This is like THE nicest thing someone has said to me here.

posted December 19, 2016 11:44 PM            

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Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars:

I love her too! She is the most insightful astrologer I've come across yet! The way she applies concepts from the different branches of science, philosophy, and the Mystic arts is pretty spectacular. There is just something so complete about her interpretations.

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(You're Welcome!)

Yes, I agree... Came across Ruth Hadikin's youtube videos long ago and would listen over and over. Her material is so Rich!

posted December 20, 2016 12:03 AM            

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The Descendant is a part of your chart and that means that it's a part of you. The Descendant and/or planets in the 7th also describe how you are in relationships. It's not just your "other half" in terms of a spouse, a romantic partner, or a best friend. It's the other half of yourself. And you end up seeing it reflected in the people who you attract.

The 7th/Descendant is ruled by Venus and one of the hallmarks of Venus is self-worth. So, I think there is often an imbalance with this part of the chart in that the person does not value these traits enough in themselves and learn to love them in other people. But, when you learn to love them within yourself, you will feel a lot better and love yourself more.

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I definitely believe that you can only truly find a lasting relationship till you've fully loved yourself and accepted and understand yourself flaws in all.

I'm a Gemini Desc with Gemini Venus in the 7th H. And Saturn/Uranus are opposing Venus in the 1st H. I've spent over the past year dating and not ever really having a single lasting relationship - its incredibly invigorating - but I'm slightly worried that this breeziness will crystallize. My Saturn return is very soon tho.

posted December 20, 2016 12:19 AM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
And I love it that she had been a midwife helping to birth babies into this world, as well as a spiritual one now.

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Again - how comprehensive of her, right!

posted December 20, 2016 12:26 AM            

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Originally posted by AwakenSky16:
You are my opposite !!
I am sun aqua in 7th aqua with SN on the cups and ASC Leo/NN
I understand what you say about dichotomy...
The others see me as very independent in relationships, friendly and open, a little versatile. But inside I feel very generous, warm giving much and needing the attention of others to value / enlighten this part of me that always feels like too elusive and in the shadow of the collective. I do great but not very remarkable things, most of the time I'm like little hands that work lace at the back of the store for others and make things possible ... My achievements are never enough to build my ego . I have it only by a certain pride to be a loyal and upright person. I roar for questions of injustice and dishonesty.
I hope my translation is good (so difficult to explain deep thought sometimes )

Edit:
As a child I was blamed for my "detachment" and my desires for independence and doing things different from others. Now, I really learn to love independence as a quality because I better accomplish my life by trusting to myself and doing things on my own. And yes I value any desire for autonomy in others, telling them that they can stand up for themselves

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Oh, cool! And you actually sound like me in the sense that your Sun comes so easily to you but you feel like it's too easy and you want to be more like your North Node/Asc. But, the Sun will keep tugging at you. In your case, it will keep reminding you of how intellectual and free-spirited and supportive of the greater good you are. Yet, you want to focus a bit more on being warm and expressive and colorful, invested in your own specialness, and you should! It is just a really tricky balance. And yeah, autonomy is the way to go with North Node in the 1st and that keeps us less reliant on other people's views of us. Sometimes, we just have to love our Sun/SN/Desc on its own, without needing anyone's validation for those traits, if that makes sense.

And your English is just fine.

posted December 20, 2016 12:54 AM            

That was an interesting article! She seems to take a particularly spiritual approach. I used to actually say that "I'm not a left-brain type" and while I'll never be overly left-brained (ENFP checking in here), I definitely have a really intellectual side to me. I've come to accept that and like that throughout my adult years. That's the Aquarius side. But, I already understand the Leo passion and the creativity. Blending that with the more cerebral, data-driven side to myself makes things interesting.

Just a side note, though, about the article: I don't like when people take the "groups" thing about Aquarius too literally. Aquarius is definitely not easy to peer pressure. So, I found that part of the article off. Aquarius doesn't care about its individual "will" when doing group things that serve the greater good or that fosters a "free love, no judge" kind of vibe. But, otherwise, you cannot control, dominate, manipulate, or persuade Aquarius easily, if at all. They certainly won't be tagging along mindlessly. Aquarius is a nonconformist and independent thinker. Outside of wanting to contribute to a cause or ideal, Aquarius actually doesn't really care about groups. That's a very overrated part of the sign. We would rather feel like individuals but individuals who are a progressive force in the world and, sometimes, group activities are the most effective ways to achieve that. But, that can also sometimes be achieved alone in our laboratories or with our experiments.

It's not even really about "friendships", either. The way I see it, I can be friends with whoever I want and I prefer that. So, why would I get lost inside of some group? That's too limiting. (It's a reason why I never went Greek in college. The idea was almost an insult to me.)

It's not a description I read too often about this sign but when I do, it kind of produces a bit of an eye-roll because I feel like it's a misunderstanding of Aquarius.

posted December 20, 2016 02:55 AM            

Thank you for taking the time to read the article and give me a response. You gave an interesting assessment. I'm kinda excited to see what the person with Leo rising has to say.

I really need to start doing these responses from a computer, lol! Typing on my phone is such a pain.

At first, I never really understood Aquarius and the group thing either. I live with an aqua moon. The woman I consider a mother has her sun and moon in Aquarius (and some other planets). Another two people who've been staples in my life have aqua moons. I don't observe them to be all that group oriented. Interestingly, they all seem too afraid to lose their identity within a group. There is a quiet rebelliousness about them. Some people hear nonconformist and think radical, but that's not the case. It's actually kinda a friendly rebelliousness.

My idea (ideal) of a group is not what is traditionally experienced.

I have a first house sun; I'm pretty individualistic, so I understand what you mean about not being easily persuaded or too impressionable. Maybe finding a balance has been easier for you since you have a Leo sun. Maybe having SN there puts too much emphasis on one end of the spectrum? What do you think of the other article I posted for the person with Leo rising? Having the conviction I hear in your post takes courage that in others, may need to be inspired. I think that's what Ruth means when she says:

"To cross this great divide Aquarius needs to have the courage of his opposite sign Leo, to navigate the unfamiliar and unpredictable terrain of the human heart."

In my experience, people are too afraid to be who they are losing themselves to the crowd. Perhaps, this is what aquas are here to transform: our idea of what a group is and what being accepted into one means. I can understand the aquarian concern for humanity and the sense of unity that accompanies it. Naturally, this involves gathering, but there is just something so fundamentally wrong that happens when we do. Behavioral scientist say, people form different judgments alone than when in a group. Ruth says:

"Then it is the job of Fixed Air sign Aquarius to stabilize heart-mind patterns."

It seems as if the heart says one thing, the mind another, and our actions betray us.

There is something wrong with the way we find acceptance.

I find this quote interesting:

"One of the ego traps for Aquarius lies in believing his own labels."

Labels! They can be so misleading. Why would you or anyone else for that matter want to lose themselves in a group!? It is too limiting, yet it is humanities natural tendency to gather. I think most people want to be individuals, but even more, most want to be accepted individuals. "Free love", "no judge" - Exactly. There are certain connotations the word group has. Maybe it's time to redefine it, so the imagery is different.

"Aquarius brings structure and stability not only to our mental processes, but to the whole experience of our heart-mind" - Ruth

Am I the only one who thinks we need more of this. ^^^^

I may have to reread the article, but I don't think Ruth's discussion means to define a group in a particular way. She makes one distinction here when she says:

"When we see mass riots and mob consciousness, that is clearly the influence of mass consciousness in Cancer. There is a clear distinction between this and the group consciousness that we are talking about in Aquarius."

And here:

"The group consciousness that is the highest octave of Aquarius is difficult to comprehend from our current level of consciousness. It is not misplaced loyalty to one’s own group or tribe, nor is it being swept along in mob consciousness. Rather it is a higher perception that comes from inner connection to one’s own Higher Mind."

I guess it's a work in progress! I hope you don't feel that I've dissected this too much. I really can't help myself. Difficult to comprehend things are my favorite.

Oh and I think I know what you mean about friendship. What you describe sounds like impartial association void of misplaced or confining attachments. It's is accepting not exclusive.

posted December 20, 2016 07:52 AM            

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Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars:
@the89freespirit
Thank you for taking the time to read the article and give me a response. You gave an interesting assessment. I'm kinda excited to see what the person with Leo rising has to say.

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@ Hey ReachingForTheStars,
Ok I will try to give you my answer soon. I miss time for this now, but I will read your link and come back to you. I am also an aqua Moon

@the89freespirit

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Just a side note, though, about the article: I don't like when people take the "groups" thing about Aquarius too literally. Aquarius is definitely not easy to peer pressure. So, I found that part of the article off. Aquarius doesn't care about its individual "will" when doing group things that serve the greater good or that fosters a "free love, no judge" kind of vibe. But, otherwise, you cannot control, dominate, manipulate, or persuade Aquarius easily, if at all. They certainly won't be tagging along mindlessly. Aquarius is a nonconformist and independent thinker. Outside of wanting to contribute to a cause or ideal, Aquarius actually doesn't really care about groups. That's a very overrated part of the sign. We would rather feel like individuals but individuals who are a progressive force in the world and, sometimes, group activities are the most effective ways to achieve that. But, that can also sometimes be achieved alone in our laboratories or with our experiments.

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posted December 20, 2016 11:18 AM            

I have Dsc in Libra and I find it easier to get companionship.And most times, I am the courteous one.

My best friend has Cancer Dsc and he chooses partners that he can nurture in some way.

Another friend has Cancer Dsc and in his relationship, he was the "mother hen".

My ex flat mate also had Dsc in Libra. He was consistently dating pretty boy, model types.

I think sometimes we "own" the 7th and sometimes we project it.

posted December 20, 2016 11:24 PM            

That presents a sort of conundrum.

posted December 21, 2016 01:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Cinnamon sky:
I have Virgo AC/Pisces DC and I've been very disconnected from the spiritual aspects of life up until recently, a few years ago. I don't mean religion when I say spiritual, I mean non-material aspects, mainly.

After that, I started to feel more and more alienated from my boyfriend (now ex-bf), as he wasn't interested at all in exploring this new dimension of life I just discovered. It was also a dimension of myself, a part of myself that has been denied to surface for a long time, so I felt that I cannot be fully me in that relationship anymore.

Before I discovered this aspect in myself, it wasn't important for me to see it reflected in the other person, but my relationships have not been very balanced either and kind of codependent.

I got to the conclusion that I need the balance of material and non-material focus to be able to feel myself, which means also to attract relationships that are healthier and happier. Well, I'm not there yet, but at least I get the idea

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That first part describes me to a tee, as I'm also Virgo ascendant Pisces descendant.