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Topic: For those who think the Lunar Return is BS
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Faith Knowflake Posts: 21731 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted December 22, 2016 08:23 AM
quote: Originally posted by bananaz: It's not!Especially when there's a planet hitting the cusp of a house, there's going to be some significant event over the course of the month. This month, for example, my sister had Uranus on the cusp of her 4th house. I told her she would be moving or some unexpected change would happen in her home. She laughed at me and asked me how she would be able to move since she was broke. I won't go into all the details, but an opportunity became available, almost like magic and now she's moving. I see this happen all the time in the lunar returns. The cusps are significant. Multiple planets in the same house are significant. The sign on the ASC is significant. Don't doubt the power of the lunar return. He he. 
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Faith Knowflake Posts: 21731 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted December 22, 2016 08:29 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: My ongoing lunar return from december
2H Moon conjunct Mars  A little less conversation, a little more action. Just catching up on reading here... I like how bananaz interpreted your SR chart . Just noticing how interesting the house overlays are: SR 4th house fits comfortably inside natal 7H, both ruled by Mercury. SR 1st house overlays natal 3H. SR NN in Virgo, SR moon in the 6H, SR Mercury in the 11th....looks like a year in which communication builds. SR Mercury conjunct Pluto in Capricorn with SR sun-Saturn in the 10H...maybe you're deepening and expanding your influence in ways that will have quite tangible results. IP: Logged |
visions Knowflake Posts: 643 From: france Registered: Feb 2010
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posted December 22, 2016 08:39 AM
i agree and i disadree,i watch carefully all my LR since i do SR for many years now, and if i could say the lunar return telling me how will be the month atmosphere, what house will be enlighten, i have seen too many muted LR. For example, i have a sick good LR this month and yet i have just being fooled by former professor who managed to bypass me by using dirty trick leaving me hopelesseness for my future. Yet i have very nice 11th LR and all the rest is amazing so i am being cautious to not hastily making conclusion with a LR. IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 21731 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted December 22, 2016 08:54 AM
Just checked my LR for this month, starting Dec 7th.IC/MC axis is perfectly reversed... So natal IC = SR MC; natal MC = LR IC My family has been going out a lot on family adventures, tours, outings. We're in public as a group more than usual. ASC conjunct 1H Mercury in Capricon, falling into my natal 5H. I guess I was appearing here as a tough person (and if you missed the drama, that's great)...but, it's all in good fun. Sort of. With tr Chiron conjunct my moon and tr Pluto conjunct my sun, I need a little help from alcohol to feel truly lighthearted these days. LOL IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 21731 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted December 22, 2016 09:25 AM
I can't remember whether or not I ever looked at this before.LR for the month I got married: 1 Sag ASC, with rectified birth time (6 Sag natal Venus) MC 16 Virgo (19 Virgo natal Juno) Venus 28 Aries (26 Aries natal MC) LR moon-IC conjunction LR DSC conjunct natal Ceres exact Honestly this makes me wonder if my birth time is later, so that the angles would line up more precisely. --- Also, about a month before, I easily could have died in a very serious car accident (I wasn't hurt but my car was hit by a Mack truck on the freeway. Car was practically demolished.) LR Saturn-Mars opposition at 27 Aries (Saturn), 27 Libra (Mars.) Again if my birth time is a bit later, this becomes exact on my natal IC-MC axis. IP: Logged |
theunknown Knowflake Posts: 3182 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted December 22, 2016 10:44 AM
^^^ thats a very good idea. I have been guestimate my birth time. (I have the recorded hours but not minute so I have a 30 min window)This is the lunar return the month I immigrated to America PLEASE DO NOT QUOTE [img]https://s30.postimg.org/fohqelz31/Untitled.png[/img] [img] https://s30.postimg.org/fohqelz31/Untitled.png [/img] [/URL] IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 21731 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted December 22, 2016 10:49 AM
Hiiiii  I see what you mean, I think! An earlier birth time lines up sun-MC, Chiron-Saturn, and DSC-Jupiter (natal to LR comparison for the last two.) IP: Logged |
theunknown Knowflake Posts: 3182 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted December 22, 2016 10:55 AM
PLEASE DONT QUOTEHi Faith, happy holiday!! So you mean like this: [img]https://s23.postimg.org/b2lufvyt7/Untitled.png[/img] [img]https://s23.postimg.org/rqdcidtkn/Untitled.png[/img] and I dont even know how to fix the bbcode for image 
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Faith Knowflake Posts: 21731 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted December 22, 2016 11:04 AM
Yes that is what I meant!Happy Holidays, nice to see you again! IP: Logged |
bananaz Knowflake Posts: 1026 From: Orlando, FL USA Registered: Feb 2015
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posted December 22, 2016 11:04 AM
Great links, Ceri. Here's another to add to those: http://www.astrologyonline.eu/Active_Astrology/Solar-Return/Solar-Return-interpretation.asp Hi Faith  You sparked my curiosity about my LR from when I got married. -Also Sag ASC Hmm...is there a connection to marriage with Sag ASC? Possibly because 9th house rules higher law? I do see 9th house activity when divorce is present as well -Jupiter conj Moon exact in 9th house (so sweet, haha) -Uranus in 4th yep. Family is changing -Sun, Saturn, Venus conj in 12th I'm gonna guess that this is all the hard work I put into the planning that people didn't see -Pluto conj cusp of 2nd house I have no idea what this meant, but the conjunction is exact IP: Logged |
theunknown Knowflake Posts: 3182 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted December 22, 2016 11:06 AM
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bananaz Knowflake Posts: 1026 From: Orlando, FL USA Registered: Feb 2015
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posted December 22, 2016 11:09 AM
Just checked month I was engaged---ALSO Sag ASCIP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 21731 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted December 22, 2016 11:12 AM
Hmmm!!I don't know anything for sure but this really makes you wonder. If others have stories of angle-planet conjunctions in the LR or between LR & natal, please tell us. I'd love to know more about how accurate it is! IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 21731 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted December 22, 2016 11:14 AM
quote: Originally posted by theunknown: That lined up perfectly.Especially because my moon is a SKIPPED step, both these charts touched the Nodes as well as mc/ic
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Faith Knowflake Posts: 21731 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted December 22, 2016 11:22 AM
quote: Originally posted by bananaz: Hi Faith 
Hi bananaz!  quote: Originally posted by bananaz: Also Sag ASC Hmm...is there a connection to marriage with Sag ASC? Possibly because 9th house rules higher law? I do see 9th house activity when divorce is present as well
Makes sense! quote: Originally posted by bananaz: Jupiter conj Moon exact in 9th house (so sweet, haha)
Wow  quote: Originally posted by bananaz: Pluto conj cusp of 2nd house I have no idea what this meant, but the conjunction is exact
Extreme (Pluto) merger of assets (Taurus)? My husband's LR, for the month we got married, has the sun in the 4H, conjunct IC, 1.22° orb. 4H also has Mercury, Jupiter (square natal ASC-DSC axis, exact) and Venus. LR ASC = natal 6H cusp in late Scorpio, with Sag filling the 1H. Chart ruler Pluto in Sag in 1H, conjunct his Saturn (2+ °). IP: Logged |
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posted December 22, 2016 02:07 PM
Faith, "2H Moon conjunct Mars " Haha, yes, you`re right, my natal 2nd house was affected, too, and though not conjunct, he puts his n Venus into my n 2nd house.
"A little less conversation, a little more action." lol Just a gesture of friendliness I guess. Completely platonic and innocent. Though that Moon-Mars-conjunction is interesting, also interestingly my natal Atropos is on 19 Aqua. "I like how bananaz interpreted your SR chart ." Yes, me, too.
"Just noticing how interesting the house overlays are: SR 4th house fits comfortably inside natal 7H, both ruled by Mercury." Oh yes? Interesting, did not notice it, but of course you`?re right. And Mercury is conjunct Pluto. hmm. " SR 1st house overlays natal 3H. SR NN in Virgo, SR moon in the 6H, SR Mercury in the 11th....looks like a year in which communication builds." I like communication
"SR Mercury conjunct Pluto in Capricorn with SR sun-Saturn in the 10H...maybe you're deepening and expanding your influence in ways that will have quite tangible results." Yes, that makes sense to me, interpretation-wise. I just wonder why his name is coming up elevated on my MC. What`s he got to do with my Sun-Saturn? hmm.
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posted December 22, 2016 02:12 PM
quote: Originally posted by Faith: J With tr Chiron conjunct my moon
I`ve been having that all year, and angular, since my recent Solar Return had Moon 20 Pisces Chiron 17 Pisces IC 16 Pisces (n Juno 16 Pisces)
additionally Jupiter 22 Virgo in 10th Venus 15 Scorpio in 12th Pluto 14 Cap in 2nd Well next year should feel pretty different with a Leo-Moon I guess. lol
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posted December 22, 2016 02:18 PM
quote: Originally posted by Faith:
LR for the month I got married: 1 Sag ASC, with rectified birth time (6 Sag natal Venus)
I think it is still absolutely valid, though. The MarsSaturn-angular is quite a chilly symbolism, right? Did you know that it is called the "death-midpoint/axis" sometimes? Of course it does not ALWAYS mean that, but it seems to be activated quite often in harsh times. (well I have it natally as my Sun-Mercury squares my Mars/Saturn-mp: natally it seems to also relate to hard work and concentration).
BTW I`ve had in the LR from 17th august- 14th september this here:
Mars: 6 Sag MC 8 Sag Saturn 9 Sag No brush of death luckily though.
Interstingly it fell onto my natal Mars 5 Sag ASC 7 SAg Neptune 9 Sag NN 10 Sag Not an easy month btw, and one in which I had to work rather hard. lol
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posted December 22, 2016 02:24 PM
quote: Originally posted by theunknown: ^^^ thats a very good idea. I have been guestimate my birth time. (I have the recorded hours but not minute so I have a 30 min window)This is the lunar return the month I immigrated to America PLEASE DO NOT QUOTE [img]https://s30.postimg.org/fohqelz31/Untitled.png[/img] [img] https://s30.postimg.org/fohqelz31/Untitled.png [/img] [/URL]
I think the Moon-NN-conjunction in 9th house is a perfect description here! With Sun on MC, a very important month of course.
the natal ruler of 9th house Saturn conjunct by Return Chiron - was there pain involved? Actually it is a DW as Return Saturn is also conjunct n Chiron, in 3rd house - well in the very least very lasting transformation taking place
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posted December 22, 2016 02:25 PM
quote: Originally posted by bananaz: Great links, Ceri. Here's another to add to those: http://www.astrologyonline.eu/Active_Astrology/Solar-Return/Solar-Return-interpreta tion.asp
Thanks, but I am not a fan of this author.
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posted December 22, 2016 02:31 PM
When my parents married, my mom hadLR ASC 7 Sagittarius (conj. Neptune) (exact on my natal ASC ) LR Moon in 9th house opposite Venus LR Pluto on the MC nSaturn on LR MC (Saturn rules her n DESC) nJupiter on LR IC My Dad had
LR ASC in Scorpio, with Sun in 7th house (6 degrees) LR IC in Pisces conjunct Jupiter (on his natal DESC)
LR Saturn conjunct Vertex in Cancer in 8th house
Moon in 5th house
also both had the ruler of DESC in 5th house (all in Lunar Return)
(well, my mom wsa 3 months pregnant when they got married, though that was not the reason )
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posted December 22, 2016 02:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by Faith: Hmmm!!I don't know anything for sure but this really makes you wonder. If others have stories of angle-planet conjunctions in the LR or between LR & natal, please tell us. I'd love to know more about how accurate it is!
When P and me first met - long long ago My Lunar Return ------------------
LR ASC on 20 Gemini Moon on MC by 2 degrees Moon also conjunct Chiron (hu? kinda seems familiar. lol) Ruler of aSC, Mercury on 23 Taurus in 12th house, trine ruler of DESC, Jupiter, on 22 Cap in 8th (important placement in our composite)
Juno-Pluto-conjunction on 29 Sag-00 Cap in 7th house, but not ON the DESc
Sun in 12th conj. AVX
with a bit of orb I would even consider my natal Sun-Mercury on the DESC (5 degrees appr.)
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for him: LR ASC on 27 Virgo, conjunct his natal Saturn-DESC-VErtex within 2 degrees  Uranus on DESC by 5 degrees Uranus on Vertex on 22 PIsces exact
Juno on IC on 26 Sag, on his n Sun on 26 Sag and Moon-MC on 28 Sag
What the **** ????? Oh I kinda missed this. lol IC 26 Sag Juno 26 Sag Moon 28 Sag Pluto 00 Cap
Now you wonder HOW can an astrologer miss THIS? 
Ruler of ASC, Mercury on 20 Gem in 9th, trine, ruler of DESC, Neptune on 24 Aqua in 5th, And also Mercury conjuncts Ceres exact and trines the exact Chiron-NN-conjunction in 5th house
widish Sun-Venus conjunction from 27 Taurus - 1 Gemini in 9th house. And no wonder this chart looks so familiar (apart from the angles), he was having his lunar return that month 7 hours before we met!! So his lunar Return WAS our first meeting chart. LOL (additionally that night he was having pSun conjunct nVenus by 0°00, which was only that exact for a time of 5 days, we met on the 3rd day in this range. lol). I suppose it possibly had left *some* impact?
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posted December 22, 2016 02:56 PM
And even though there were some interesting months in between , letīs just have a look at the current one. my LR -------- ASC Scorpio with Pluto in 3rd.
SAturn on AVX on 18 Gemini exact in 2nd house Pallas on IC on 24 Aqua exact natal BML-Psyche on LR IC on 24 Aqua exact (interestingly the LR ASC is conjunct my Draco Eros-Vertex exact) Moon-Mars-conjunction and Mars being just 5-6 degrees of the IC, just a little bit of Martianness, not too much though.
His LR ------------ ASC 26 Scorpio which is interesting as his fading Solar Return had that ASC as well (27 Scorpio actually), so the last month would be one of the more important ones to him. Not saying that meeting me is such an outstanding thing  BML on the ASC (from 12th house) by 5 degrees  n Uranus on the ASC (3 degrees) LR MC on natal BML by one degree, yeah, yeah, year
I get it. he was having n BML on LR MC, I was having n BML on LR IC. LR IC conjunct Chiron with one degree only though
Yeah NOW he knows what I had to deal with all year long. LOL I mean with my Chiron on IC. Ruler of ASC, PLuto on 16 Cap, widely conjunct ruler of DESC, Venus on 22 Cap, in 2nd house
Moon was or actually is(still ongoing LR) conjunct Mercury on 27 Sag
Interestingly he started to take up communication again about 2 days after this lunar return started (and in fact posted the first announcement of last week`s workshop exactly on the day of his lunar return. lol)
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posted December 22, 2016 03:12 PM
BTW there were two gatherings/meetings, one in 2015, one in 2016his LR for both occasions 2015 ASC 18 Sag MC 21 LIbra conjunct his n Pluto exact 2016 ASC 17 Sag MC 19 Libra, conjunct his n Pluto (ASC conj. his n Neptune btw). This is just a coincidence though.
Cause at that occasions I was having 2015 ASC 11 Cancer (DESC conj. Pluto by 2 degrees) MC 9 Pisces (conj. Neptune exact, Juno on IC) 2016 ASC 2 LIbra (on n MC) MC 3 Cancer (n Venus on IC) So as you can see I was having different ASC`s, though yeah, the ASC-MC-exchange is interesting
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theunknown Knowflake Posts: 3182 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted December 22, 2016 03:52 PM
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