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bananaz
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posted December 21, 2016 01:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bananaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's not!

Especially when there's a planet hitting the cusp of a house, there's going to be some significant event over the course of the month. This month, for example, my sister had Uranus on the cusp of her 4th house. I told her she would be moving or some unexpected change would happen in her home. She laughed at me and asked me how she would be able to move since she was broke. I won't go into all the details, but an opportunity became available, almost like magic and now she's moving.

I see this happen all the time in the lunar returns. The cusps are significant. Multiple planets in the same house are significant. The sign on the ASC is significant.

Don't doubt the power of the lunar return. He he.

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posted December 21, 2016 01:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
nothing but Agreement here!

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posted December 21, 2016 04:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AwakenSky16     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello bananaz et Ceridew,
could you please explain how you do this ?

I tried on astro.com "natal and return lunar chart" but I am not sure you take this one for your analyze... Can You talk about your method ?
I would like to verify my charts with the events of this year (so importants).

Some questions here fot example

- which date choose you for this : the birthday or Anytime in the month that interests you ... Because there is a lag of time ?
- do you look at the RL cups on natal planets or the reverse, other ??
- How do you do with the planets in the house ?

I would like to understand and learn...
Thank you so much

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posted December 21, 2016 08:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koniucha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a question, for the solar return also.

When you run the chart, when does that chart start? For example I have Cancer moon and I run a chart today. Is it supposed to start the next time its a Cancer moon?

Same for solar return. My birthday is Oct 29. If I run one today, does it start on my upcoming birthday?

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posted December 21, 2016 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vegasdlt36     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 21, 2016 09:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vegasdlt36     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Koniucha:
I have a question, for the solar return also.

When you run the chart, when does that chart start? For example I have Cancer moon and I run a chart today. Is it supposed to start the next time its a Cancer moon?

Same for solar return. My birthday is Oct 29. If I run one today, does it start on my upcoming birthday?


I'm pretty sure if you run a Solar return chart starting for your birthday this year Oct. 29Th., It's for 2016 until your birthday Oct. 29th 2017.

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posted December 21, 2016 09:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Solar REturn lasts from your birthday until the next one, or more precisely when the Sun was EXACT conjunct your natal Sun this year.

My birthday was on 18th december, but actually the Transit of Sun over my natal Sun was on 17th december, so that is when the Solar Return started and is valid until the next time Tr Sun will be conjunct my natal Sun exact.


Same is true for the lunar Return, just that you take the exact time Tr Moon is conjunct your natal Moon, and that is your lunar Return chart, valid for the month, until the next Moon-transit over your natal Moon happens.

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In return charts angularity is espcially important. which means planets tightly conjunct the angles, ASC, DESC, MC, IC. It means that those planets are going to be foreground and will manifest clearly in the timespan to come.

Personally I also consider conjunctions to Vertex, in the sense of, surprising events taking place. (I guess we might actually be able to consider exact squares, too, but for now I focus on conjunctions).


I suspect that the intermediate housecusps might play a role, too, but have not yet researched that, and this would be very different depending which housesystem you use (i exclusively use Placidus or topocentric).


The planets on the return angles could be return planets OR natal planets.

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posted December 21, 2016 09:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koniucha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you!

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posted December 21, 2016 09:51 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is my Solar Return, having started on saturday and lasting pretty much all of 2017, until about 17th/ 18th december 2017.


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My ongoing lunar return from december

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my lunar return starting on 1st january, funnily enough, because then Tr Moon will be on 17 Aquarius again.

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the angles you look out for are the one of the RETURN chart (for planets being brought foreground temporarily), so the angles in the outer circles are the ones we are concerned with.

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bananaz
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posted December 21, 2016 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bananaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HAPPY BIRTHDAY CERIDWEN!!!

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posted December 21, 2016 11:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thank you.

So who wants to take a stab at my Solar Return?


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posted December 21, 2016 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Lunar Return for all all months in 2017 are only in houses 1, 4, 6 and 8. Is this normal?? Pretty much 3 times in each house.

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posted December 21, 2016 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bananaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm going to try my best to do a short interpretation of Ceri's chart:

- With the combo of Mars on the ASC and Neptune in the first house, it is a close reflection of your natal chart, and therefore should be an important year, allowing you to deliver some of those energies from your natal. Mars on the ASC should bring lots of energy and a go-getter/ driven mentality for the year.

-Pisces on the ASC should bring forward third house focus. Dealings with siblings, communications, short trips, vehicles, nieces, nephews, aunts, uncles, etc Demeanor will be Pisces qualities (mixed in with that Mars)

-Saturn conj Sun in the 10th means focus and lots of hard work put toward in career/ image sector

-Moon in the 6th in Leo meaning desire to shine in the workplace and/or in service to others

-Mercury conj Pluto in 11th transformation of groups/friends possibly more active around a younger crowd or siblings

-Jupiter in 7th brings luck regarding close relationships/ business partners. Beneficial dealings with others in general

-SR Neptune conj Natal Ceres- significance regarding your passion for your purpose/ who you are. Nurturing the subconscious mind.

-Uranus conj Ceres in the 1st- sudden change in self image. possibly more caring

Altogether Ceri, I see this year for you has a lot to do with your work/ career and the self. Although you will be focusing on yourself, the positive changes come about from your desire to serve others.

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posted December 21, 2016 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bananaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by charlie:
My Lunar Return for all all months in 2017 are only in houses 1, 4, 6 and 8. Is this normal?? Pretty much 3 times in each house.

Those houses will be significant in the year ahead. Take a look at your SR and see if those houses also show activity

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posted December 21, 2016 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bananaz:
Those houses will be significant in the year ahead. Take a look at your SR and see if those houses also show activity

Only interesting in SR is NN 1H conjunct ASC, Libra Jupiter 4H (trine Gem Venus 11H and Aqua Moon 7H) and Pluto 6H. 8H empty.

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posted December 21, 2016 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AwakenSky16     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU CERIDWEN!!!

Thank you for your answer.
Could you give some example (readings) with your RL chart (As you like...)

Additional

Also :
- which orb use you for conjunction angle/planets, same as usually for the planets and asteroids ?
- Could we have a timing for even on the chart ?

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posted December 21, 2016 01:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you.


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- With the combo of Mars on the ASC and Neptune in the first house, it is a close reflection of your natal chart, and therefore should be an important year, allowing you to deliver some of those energies from your natal."

Yes, I noticed that as well, it`s like a year where I can really work with or manifest the Mars-Neptune-energies. so manifest parts of my "natal promise"; interestingly my Venus-Return this year has Return ASC exact on natal ASC (and conjunct natal Mars) - so I think this is further confirmation of that. Though of course the Venus-REturn is mostly concerned with relationships.

But I think the next year will be pivotal and figuring out what I want and how I want it, in general terms as well as in my relating to others.

I can`t ignore though that Mars is angular in both charts (natal Mars on Venus Return ASC; SR Mars on SR ASC), so MARS-energy, whatever that means, will have to be dealt with.

Additionally my Solar REturn-ASC and Mars are conjunct my pr Venus-BML-conjunction, plus at the end of the Solar Return my pr Mars will conjunct my natal Venus exact.

(just making a mental note).

I also made a mental note that my first lunar return in the new year of life (january) is pretty much a replica of my Solar Return - and no that does NOT happen often.


SR ASC 28°55 Aquarius
SR Mars 28°32 Aquarius

LR ASC 29°05 Aquarius
LR Venus 27°56 Aquarius


at the onset of my first Lunar Return next year:

pr Venus 28°48 Aquarius
(Pr BML 29°11 Aquarius)


January should be an interesting month.


"-Pisces on the ASC should bring forward third house focus."
Actually it is Aquarius on the ASC.

Interestingly on the day of my Solar Return I was attending a workshop of P/ Mr Sag (which started half an hour after my Solar Return started, and in fact we first met that day, pretty much within 15 minutes of my Solar Return taking place. lol).

Anyway at the end of the day he was playing one of his own songs for me, and the last line was: "Butterflies don`t cry".

I thought in respect to my Solar Return that was very interesting, as the Mars-ASC-conjunction (and my pr Venus) falls onto this Sabian:

"A Butterfly Emerging From A Chrysalis"

In terms of the name asteroids I found it interesting, that in my Solar Return his name is conjunct the MC, while in his Solar Return my name is on his DESC (and in fact his SR ASC falls onto my name in his own chart exactly).

I suppose we might have not crossed paths for the last time this year. lol

"Dealings with siblings, communications, short trips, vehicles, nieces, nephews, aunts, uncles, etc Demeanor will be Pisces qualities (mixed in with that Mars)"

Yes, the 3rd house is definitely foreground here, so communications are highlighted (also short trips, which I have a few lined up already), and with the conjunction to my BML, these things might have a definite "edge", a bit zany as well (Aquarius on the cusp).


In fact in the current lunar Return, we see Scorpio on the ASC, with the chartruler Pluto on the cusp of the 3rd house, not too far away from P`s name in my natal chart - I am mentioning all this because it has ALREADY taken place.

The workshop thing (about singing btw) is just so 3rd house stuff. lol
Plus that rather intense moment of communication we`ve had, Pluto in the 3rd house, along with the Moon-Mars-conjunction falling in 3rd house (Moon is always important in a lunar chart) and once again, Mars is part of the theme.

In this instance I think it relates to the spontaneity along with intensity of communication.

Of course Tr Pluto is opposing my n Saturn, so, this is a bit conflicting.

"-Saturn conj Sun in the 10th means focus and lots of hard work put toward in career/ image sector"
Yes, I would have interpreted it as well this way, esp. with Moon in 6th house, too.

However I am not interested in a career, I am content with my job, do not want to have more functions there than I have, and I certainly will not work for a promotion, cause I couldntībe less interested in that.

So I think in my case it might mean something else, maybe wanting or not, I will take a more public place, being more visible to more people, which will involve hard work. Interesting to see P`s name asteroid so on top of my MC this year (it is also conjunct his own natal chartruler).

I have no idea yet what this really means, as I said, I don`t want to have a promotion or something like that, and my job is pretty consolidated.


"-Moon in the 6th in Leo meaning desire to shine in the workplace and/or in service to others"
I`ve been thinking about this actually. I mean it is quite noteable that Moon is in Leo, and opposing Venus, too.

Anyway, I could imagine that it might have something to do with a change in daily life, either at the workplace, or in terms of my nutrition or just daily life in a different kind of sense.

"-Mercury conj Pluto in 11th transformation of groups/friends possibly more active around a younger crowd or siblings"
Yes, this one is of course very noteable too.

"-Jupiter in 7th brings luck regarding close relationships/ business partners. Beneficial dealings with others in general"
It`s an interesting one, Jupiter in 7th, I don`t think I`ve ever had that before, though I`d like it to be closer to the DESC itself.


"-Uranus conj Ceres in the 1st- sudden change in self image. possibly more caring"
Yes, it is an interesting one, too. some sudden unexpected development in relation to Ceres-things. And with Uranus being chartruler, bringing Ceres-matters to the foreground, caring, nurturing, mother, motherhood etc.

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posted December 21, 2016 01:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AwakenSky16:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU CERIDWEN!!!

Thank you for your answer.
Could you give some example (readings) with your RL chart (As you like...)

Additional

Also :
- which orb use you for conjunction angle/planets, same as usually for the planets and asteroids ?
- Could we have a timing for even on the chart ?


What is a RL chart?


I tend to use roundabout 3 degree orb for conjunctions to the angles, these are REALLY foreground, though even a planet 5 degrees away might still be pretty much central, but as you saw in my example, sometimes it can get really tight.


Yes, Celeste TEal suggests checking especially the Transits of Sun and Mars to the Return chart placements (conjunctions), they tend to activate.

sometimes the transiting Moon will have her say, too, and you can actually progress the SR Moon (it will move about 12-13 degrees per year, so roundabout one degree per month), if it make an exact aspect that is important.

Also if an outer transiting planet will become exact on an angle, Sun or Moon this might be a good timing tool, too.


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posted December 21, 2016 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AwakenSky16     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
RL :Return Lunar : not a good traduction here, I would say LR : Lunar Return

Thank you, I take time to read all you give and I will come back to you... maybe I will have need some help for my Lunar Return again.

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posted December 21, 2016 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bananaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whoops, Ceri. Missed that Aqua ASC

Overall, looks like a great year. Lots of Mars themes indeed.

Interesting about Mr. Sag. You'll have to keep us updated on how that plays out. I had Jupiter in the 7th the year I got married. In fact, it was probably the best year I've ever had

My SR is coming up soon and it scares me. Pluto conj Moon in the 4th making a t-square to the majority of planets. Jupiter in the first (please no weight gain! lol) Also have Neptune in the 6th, which should be interesting. Ever had that one?

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Lunar and Solar returns are super important. The Sun and moon are like the minute and hour hands of the cosmos.

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Originally posted by bananaz:
Whoops, Ceri. Missed that Aqua ASC

Overall, looks like a great year. Lots of Mars themes indeed.

Interesting about Mr. Sag. You'll have to keep us updated on how that plays out. I had Jupiter in the 7th the year I got married. In fact, it was probably the best year I've ever had

My SR is coming up soon and it scares me. Pluto conj Moon in the 4th making a t-square to the majority of planets. Jupiter in the first (please no weight gain! lol) Also have Neptune in the 6th, which should be interesting. Ever had that one?


Well I doubt I am going to get married, but hopefully Jupiter in Libra in 7th house will bring some nice experiences in terms of others, though of course it is opposing Uranus. lol

I can`t say anything about the others but in 2014 I`ve had Jupiter in Cancer on the ASC, interestingly that year I LOST a lot of weight. Of course this was close to my natal Saturn, ruler of 2nd house, so maybe Jupiter was expanding my Saturnian restriction. lol

Last year it was more or less just stagnating and trying to stabilize my weight, even though I would love to lose some more, but somehow I am not as motivated (maybe too content already? too lazy, too comfortable?)


At least I managed to maintain the reached weight with a range of +/- 5 kilos. But next year I should really get back to working it off again (I`d like to lose 15 more kilos)

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quote:
Originally posted by Astrochologist:
Lunar and Solar returns are super important. The Sun and moon are like the minute and hour hands of the cosmos.

I agree. could you elaborate on your method to analyze these charts?


BTW who`s interested I found this link
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17763

http://www.astrologyzine.com/predict-3.shtml

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quote:
Originally posted by Astrochologist:
Lunar and Solar returns are super important. The Sun and moon are like the minute and hour hands of the cosmos.

I agree. could you elaborate on your method to analyze these charts?


BTW who`s interested I found this link
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17763

http://www.astrologyzine.com/predict-3.shtml

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