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Ami Anne
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posted January 09, 2017 09:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a more general article that I found in my earth void hodge podge website . My website is like my closet. There could be a great pair of shoes stuck in the back for ten years.


Saturn is a misunderstood planet. It is a feared planet. It should be, in some instances, because Saturn can do a plummeting motion on one’s self esteem. This can occur if Saturn is conjunct one’s Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury or Venus. However, conversely, Saturn can give staying power when placed in positive configurations.

Saturn can help you to finish that degree, climb the corporate ladder of success or, simply, stay in a marriage which has become routine( and they all do). Saturn gives self discipline in positive doses. Saturn gives self doubt and self flagellation, in negative doses. Certain aspects are positive doses. Other aspects are negative doses.Hence, Saturn is a mixed bag.

To make it practical. Think of wanting to eat a whole, chocolate cheesecake. Jupiter will tell you to enjoy yourself. Saturn will tell you that you will feel sick later and your cute, new dress won’t be able to be zipped. Hence, Saturn comes through for us when we need discipline.

Jupiter will tell you to gamble. Saturn will tell you to save. Jupiter will tell you to have a fling with that cute guy. Saturn will tell you that you have a loyal boyfriend at home.

I hope this gives a sense of Saturn in both it’s positive and negative applications.Now, we will move onto the Houses.

Saturn in the Houses
1st House
Depending on aspects, one may be very disciplined or one may have low self esteem. Saturn in trine and sextile confers discipline. Saturn in square, conjunction and opposition may result in lack of confidence and self esteem.

2nd House

This is mine. This has not made for a lack of financial resources but, instead, a fear of losing them. I did not understand my Saturn in the 2nd House because I have never suffered from a lack of material resources. Some people say that Saturn in the 2nd House is a lack of self esteem. I have pondered this long and hard and I do not subscribe to it. I think it is taking the natural order of the Zodiac and adding elements that are not there. I think it is a stretch too far. I think the 2nd House is material resources and material resources, only.Although, I have never been without material resources, I do have a deep fear of losing them, which must explain my Saturn placement.

3rd House

This Saturn placement may engender a fear of self expression. That is what I have seen in doing charts. The native may feel very shy about expressing his opinions. He may hold back. He may hem and haw. When he does express himself, he may feel the same kind of fear one has when jumping from a high diving board.

4th house
This Saturn placement seems to indicate a cold, early home. The mother may, particularly, be the parent with whom one had a cold, distant and/or critical relationship.

5th House

This seems like one of the hardest for me. This is due to the fact that creativity was always my escape from a painful home. This native may feel very shy in expressing his creative and fun loving side. Expressing affection may be hard for him, as well.

6th House

This native may have chronic health issues. I have seen this in charts of people with allergies, migraine headaches or other chronic health issues. Conversely, this placement may make for a person who feels insecure in being able to provide services of a helping nature to others.

7th House

This is another hard Saturn aspect, although I wonder if labeling placements as hard is subjective. It may be. This Saturn placement may make marriage hard. It may show a delay in getting married, as well.

8th House

I think this is a harder Saturn placement. This native may find it very painful to face her dark side. This may be seen in a person who is “fake chirpy”. We all have a dark side. Accepting it is the only way to find the light, so jump in and embrace the dark. It will not be as scary as you think.

9th House

This native may find it hard to find God. The 9th House is the House of the spiritual. It is, also, the House of Higher education. I have seen natives will this placement denied college in cases in which they deeply desired a college education.

10th House

These natives seem to have delays in career. They may, also, have had a difficult relationship with their fathers. Also, they may feel as if they do not have an easy fit into the general society, for some reason.

11th House

Someone close to me with this placement sparked my interest in writing this article. Groups are very hard for him. He feels left out. He feels afraid that groups will gang up on him and humiliate him. Saturn in the 11th can be someone who finds groups to be very scary. It could, also, be a delay in reaching hopes and dreams.

12th House

A 12th House planet is, always, the hardest, in my opinion. The planet must be ten degrees away from the Ascendant to be considered 12th House. However, if it is a true 12th House planet, it will be a challenge throughout life.

Saturn in the 12th seems to be the position of the child pressing his nose against the window pane, wanting to join the group of children playing outside, but being very afraid of rejection.. This sense of loneliness and not feeling a part of the group seems to remain throughout life.

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posted January 09, 2017 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cinnamon sky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

2nd House

This is mine. This has not made for a lack of financial resources but, instead, a fear of losing them. I did not understand my Saturn in the 2nd House because I have never suffered from a lack of material resources. Some people say that Saturn in the 2nd House is a lack of self esteem. I have pondered this long and hard and I do not subscribe to it. I think it is taking the natural order of the Zodiac and adding elements that are not there. I think it is a stretch too far. I think the 2nd House is material resources and material resources, only.Although, I have never been without material resources, I do have a deep fear of losing them, which must explain my Saturn placement.


In my view the second house is the material, yeah, but material, matter, what "matters" is directly linked with one's value system, even belief system. And if the second is part of the basis on which the individual stands, then one's value system should come also under the roof of the second, I think.
We start seeing the world from the perspective of our own value system, however limited it might be at the beginning stages.
We cannot perceive anything in the material world which doesn't reflect back to our internal construction of it. We cannot have the possessions we dream of if we cannot imagine that it is possible. It's more of a knowledge. "The table is here, hence I believe it is here" (as we learned to see the world until now) vs "I believe the table is here, hence the table is here" - a new way of seeing which might seem odd, but how can we know which was first. Or does it even matter?

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posted January 09, 2017 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You posted a similar article just yesterday http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/237137.html

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Ami Anne
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posted January 09, 2017 09:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yea, CS

I am not sure if the 2nd house is self value. It may be. This is an older article.

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posted January 09, 2017 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think these observations are quite on point

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Ami Anne
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posted January 09, 2017 11:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Orange

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posted January 10, 2017 07:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If the house has Saturn and other planets, the nature of the Saturn in the house will be modified, of course.

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posted January 10, 2017 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lerena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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3rd House

This Saturn placement may engender a fear of self-expression. That is what I have seen in doing charts. The native may feel very shy about expressing his opinions. He may hold back. He may hem and haw. When he does express himself, he may feel the same kind of fear one has when jumping from a high diving board.


I kind of relate to this but only because I lacked awareness of the problem. After I noticed my fear of self-expression, I started pushing myself to express my thoughts more often. Sometimes I still feel anxious about how people respond, but I'm not expressing my opinion to be a douche, just to overcome my fear.

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posted January 10, 2017 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YES, Lerena. I do the same thing. I identify my weaknesses through the charts and then try to use that muscle. Good job, Lerena! I ma very proud of you!

For the poor people who cannot face themselves, they can never do this


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