posted January 25, 2017 07:19 AM            

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Originally posted by aquagembaby:
Moon in the 3rd house for sure!

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posted January 25, 2017 09:47 AM            

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Originally posted by aquagembaby:
Moon in the 3rd house for sure!

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Mercury in the third isn't correlated to the Moon at all, so Moon in the third would be more similar to Moon in Gemini.

posted January 25, 2017 10:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
Mercury in the third isn't correlated to the Moon at all, so Moon in the third would be more similar to Moon in Gemini.

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Yea I see what you are saying. but Mercury in the 3rd House (actually all 3rd House placements, can take on a Moon in Gemini/Mercurial characteristics because Gemini/Mercury is the natural ruler of the 3rd House.

posted January 25, 2017 10:29 AM            

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Originally posted by @lycat74:
Yea I see what you are saying. but Mercury in the 3rd House (actually all 3rd House placements, can take on a Moon in Gemini/Mercurial characteristics because Gemini/Mercury is the natural ruler of the 3rd House.

Mercury in the 3rd House would take the more communicative side/aspects to Moon in Gemini and would be more similar to Mercury in Gemini than Moon in Gemini. BUT it's related-distant cousin to Moon in Gemini. IF you understand what I am saying.

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It takes on Gemini/Mercurial characteristics, not Moon in Gemini characteristics.

Moon in Gemini shows that one deals with their emotions in a Gemini/Mercurial fashion. That is much different compared to Mercury in the third house, which deals with how one thinks and communicates. The only way Mercury would be similar to Moon in Gemini was if Mercury is in Cancer or perhaps the fourth house due to the fact that Cancer is ruled by the Moon and deals with one's emotions. When one thinks, they think with their emotions.

Moon and Mercury in Gemini are both communicative, but that's because of the Gemini element in play, which is a communicative sign in itself. Any third house planet will take on Gemini characteristics, but the only one that would be similar to the manifestation of a Gemini Moon is Moon in the third, since it deals with the Moon.

posted January 25, 2017 11:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
It takes on Gemini/Mercurial characteristics, not Moon in Gemini characteristics.

Moon in Gemini shows that one deals with their emotions in a Gemini/Mercurial fashion. That is much different compared to Mercury in the third house, which deals with how one thinks and communicates. The only way Mercury would be similar to Moon in Gemini was if Mercury is in Cancer or perhaps the fourth house due to the fact that Cancer is ruled by the Moon and deals with one's emotions. When one thinks, they think with their emotions.

Moon and Mercury in Gemini are both communicative, but that's because of the Gemini element in play, which is a communicative sign in itself. Any third house planet will take on Gemini characteristics, but the only one that would be similar to the manifestation of a Gemini Moon is Moon in the third, since it deals with the Moon.

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Yea I see and agree with what you are saying. I obviously think Moon in the 3rd House is more similar to Moon in Gemini than Mercury in the 3rd House.

posted January 25, 2017 01:27 PM            

if you look at it more as math, moon is its own energy, mercury is its own energy, and sure any planet in gemini you can say they will have similarities, but the moon energy is not really similar to mercury energy, or is it, maybe they have a similar atomic make up and thus give a similar effect, but without knowing that and treating each planet as it's own destinct source, there really is no correlation from one planet to another. so even though moon in gemini likes to talk, mercury in gemini likes to talk, well any planet in gemini likes to talk, so any planet in gemini is similar, if you go by rulerships, any planet in gemini is mercurial.

thus a moon in gemini is mercurial, they think a lot, conceptualize, which is similar to any mercury placement.

posted January 25, 2017 02:10 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
i think your applying descriptions of planets (ie moon in gemini is talkative, jupiter in gemini has lots of ideas) to other descriptions.

if you look at it more as math, moon is its own energy, mercury is its own energy, and sure any planet in gemini you can say they will have similarities, but the moon energy is not really similar to mercury energy, or is it, maybe they have a similar atomic make up and thus give a similar effect, but without knowing that and treating each planet as it's own destinct source, there really is no correlation from one planet to another. so even though moon in gemini likes to talk, mercury in gemini likes to talk, well any planet in gemini likes to talk, so any planet in gemini is similar, if you go by rulerships, any planet in gemini is mercurial.

thus a moon in gemini is mercurial, they think a lot, conceptualize, which is similar to any mercury placement.

the mercury wouldnt even have to be in gemini, cause no matter what is in gemini, it is going to be similar , a distant cousin basically, to mercury.

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Yea I am applying descriptions to planets to other descriptions whatever that means.
And I am very much aware each planet carries it's own energy. However I do believe each planet is correlated to another. I don't think you can completely isolate a planet from another in terms of a natal chart and in terms synthesis and interpretation.

Example: When I am angry. Am I just feeling my moon? Am I angry because of what someone said (mercury) which then causes me to react with my moon. Am I angry because of what someone did or what I didn't do (Mars). What comes first?

In regards to anger Moon, Mercury, Mars hell even Venus can all relate to how one feels and reacts to/with anger. It isn't just the moon (even if it does rules over emotions/feelings). Also you got to keep in mind the various aspects all the planets I listed relate to the moon.

Same example above: When I am angry. Am I just feeling my moon? Or Am I feeling my Moon square Mars, or Moon trine Mercury.

I know my example is a bit off topic and abstract but I strongly believe there is some correlation between Moon & Mercury. By the way this isn't me saying that they are the same because they are NOT.

posted January 25, 2017 02:14 PM            

seemed at first you just generally meant if any planet was in gemini or 3rd would it be similar to mercury in gemini.

anyway about your examples, just to touch on, i believe you are never tuning into one energy stronger or less. you feel your whole chart as a whole, so it's EVERYTHING in you, that causes you to act and behave. however, in synastry, you might have someone with mars on your venus, these people will seem very martian. and venusian equally. i experimented and found it true. they dont just seem like venus. and they dont just seem like mars. they seem like a mixture.

so in that way maybe someone's mars is annoying you.

posted January 25, 2017 02:22 PM            

or perhaps why you have a common tendency to people please, and be agreeable,

posted January 25, 2017 02:50 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
alright well i never heard that before that moon and merc had some kind of similarities or something.

seemed at first you just generally meant if any planet was in gemini or 3rd would it be similar to mercury in gemini.

anyway about your examples, just to touch on, i believe you are never tuning into one energy stronger or less. you feel your whole chart as a whole, so it's EVERYTHING in you, that causes you to act and behave. however, in synastry, you might have someone with mars on your venus, these people will seem very martian. and venusian equally. i experimented and found it true. they dont just seem like venus. and they dont just seem like mars. they seem like a mixture.

so in that way maybe someone's mars is annoying you.

merc is the only planet that looks like a rock similar to moon. this is a real size comparison.

though the moon is much closer. well really i dont know if there is a similarity. in their energy effect

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posted January 25, 2017 03:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
Of course when you do chart interpretations, you want to read the chart as an interconnected whole. However, I'm going to have to disagree about the Moon and Mercury being correlated. They are two different things.

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Apple and Oranges. They are different & exist independently from each other. They smell different, taste different, feel different, etc. They are different but they correlate because they are fruit. They share a mutual relationship & connection.

Moon and Mercury. They are different & exist independently from each other. They have different meanings, expressions, energies, and purpose. Even so they are different but they correlate because they work together and feed off each other. They don't simply exist singularly even if you can define them separately.

If you can't see where I am coming from another example

Mars and Jupiter. They are different but they correlate because they work together and feed off each other.
Mars is about action, stamina, sexuality and other things.
Jupiter is about beliefs, faith, luck, travel, higher knowledge and other things.
On the surface and without synthesis these two planets are very different.

Other than our experiences outside of astrology How do we get our beliefs? Do we just believe what we believe in because our Jupiter simply is about beliefs (among other things)? How do we establish a course of action or even react? Do we react simply because Mars is about will, action (among other things) How do we establish our sexuality?

Everything is connected, even things that are actually different. This is what I mean by co-relation.

posted January 25, 2017 03:30 PM            

moon is about your inner feelings and wants. it has to do with how you feel in a large way. like i feel like going for a looong walk (9th/sag). or i feel like kissing this girl (8th/scorp). strong wants.

mercury is about conceptualizing everything; your environment, what is going on in your environment, what do you think about this, it is also imagery. like you see things and they have a certain image that makes you feel. you just feel your environment.

posted January 25, 2017 04:15 PM            

Apples and Oranges are not correlated because they are fruits. That's categorization. Correlation means that the two items in question are interdependent (not dependent) on one another in order to produce a result. For example: let's say that due to the use of drugs, high school students have significantly lower attendance rates. These two variables are correlated because due to the use of drugs, students are less likely to attend class and therefore their attendance rates have dropped. If they were to not use drugs, then their attendance rate would be higher. That's how the two are correlated.

The Moon and Mercury, along with every other planet in the natal chart, is interconnected because it explains the makeup of an individual as a whole when working together as one single unit. That is interconnection, not correlation. When you analyze a chart, you break down each individual element of the chart in order to understand the chart as a whole. Each planet has its own manifestation and purpose in your natal chart, and identifying that purpose with each planet will allow you to be able to figure out how these planets work with each other in order to make the manifestation that is your natal chart.

Mercury in the third house is nothing like a Moon in Gemini (coincidentally enough, I have both). First off, the manifestation of house placements is not the same as sign placements. The sign placement shows HOW the energy of that planet is expressed and dealt with whereas the house placements shows WHERE it is released and projected. Secondly, Mercury and the Moon have different base functions. The moon is one's emotions, one's core, and their internal being. Mercury is one's intellect, communication, and thought process. Mercury doesn't represent your feelings at all, that's the difference that comes in. Moon in Gemini and Moon in the third are similar because they are both dealing with the Moon and the energy of Gemini, but they are not the same. Mercury in the third is even more different from Moon in Gemini because the Moon's manifestation is not present with Mercury in the third.

A third house Moon's communication is going to be altered by their feelings and moods, and therefore they may or may not be talkative depending on how they're feeling. Moon in Gemini is different because this Moon sign is prone to rationalizing their emotions, being torn up by changing feelings due to the duality of Gemini, and having a mind that constantly doesn't stop thinking. This manifests in the emotional area of their being. Mercury in the third would make someone very effective when it comes to communication, finding it very easy to communicate ideas and exchange with one another, and will not being emotionally affected with communication because it's all intellectual.

posted January 25, 2017 04:19 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
true things might be connected more than i ever knew for some things. i think the 3rd house is gemini, just a zodiac tilted to a section of our planet. houses are from the sun's daily path, which are very powerful. the signs are from the sun's yearly path, which are a bit weaker, but it stays in you for life while the daily path changes.

moon is about your inner feelings and wants. it has to do with how you feel in a large way. like i feel like going for a looong walk (9th/sag). or i feel like kissing this girl (8th/scorp). strong wants.

mercury is about conceptualizing everything; your environment, what is going on in your environment, what do you think about this, it is also imagery. like you see things and they have a certain image that makes you feel. you just feel your environment.

i am not the connessiur of what planets are, just speaking from exp.

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posted January 25, 2017 04:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:

First off, the manifestation of house placements is not the same as sign placements. The sign placement shows HOW the energy of that planet is expressed and dealt with whereas the house placements shows WHERE it is released and projected. Secondly, Mercury and the Moon have different base functions. The moon is one's emotions, one's core, and their internal being. Mercury is one's intellect, communication, and thought process. Mercury doesn't represent your feelings at all, that's the difference that comes in. Moon in Gemini and Moon in the third are similar because they are both dealing with the Moon and the energy of Gemini, but they are not the same. Mercury in the third is even more different from Moon in Gemini because the Moon's manifestation is not present with Mercury in the third.

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I completely agree with all of what Electro DGX said. A single Mercury placement and a single Moon placement are not comparable.

In fact no planets become interchangeable just because they share a link though sign or house rulership. It sounds a little bit like a fallacy (affirming the consequent) And trying to force an argument for interchangeability between planets by philosophizing about their qualities is just hot air.

posted January 25, 2017 05:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
@lycat74 You're getting interconnected and correlated confused.

Apples and Oranges are not correlated because they are fruits. That's categorization. Correlation means that the two items in question are interdependent (not dependent) on one another in order to produce a result. For example: let's say that due to the use of drugs, high school students have significantly lower attendance rates. These two variables are correlated because due to the use of drugs, students are less likely to attend class and therefore their attendance rates have dropped. If they were to not use drugs, then their attendance rate would be higher. That's how the two are correlated.

The Moon and Mercury, along with every other planet in the natal chart, is interconnected because it explains the makeup of an individual as a whole when working together as one single unit. That is interconnection, not correlation. When you analyze a chart, you break down each individual element of the chart in order to understand the chart as a whole. Each planet has its own manifestation and purpose in your natal chart, and identifying that purpose with each planet will allow you to be able to figure out how these planets work with each other in order to make the manifestation that is your natal chart.

Mercury in the third house is nothing like a Moon in Gemini (coincidentally enough, I have both). First off, the manifestation of house placements is not the same as sign placements. The sign placement shows HOW the energy of that planet is expressed and dealt with whereas the house placements shows WHERE it is released and projected. Secondly, Mercury and the Moon have different base functions. The moon is one's emotions, one's core, and their internal being. Mercury is one's intellect, communication, and thought process. Mercury doesn't represent your feelings at all, that's the difference that comes in. Moon in Gemini and Moon in the third are similar because they are both dealing with the Moon and the energy of Gemini, but they are not the same. Mercury in the third is even more different from Moon in Gemini because the Moon's manifestation is not present with Mercury in the third.

A third house Moon's communication is going to be altered by their feelings and moods, and therefore they may or may not be talkative depending on how they're feeling. Moon in Gemini is different because this Moon sign is prone to rationalizing their emotions, being torn up by changing feelings due to the duality of Gemini, and having a mind that constantly doesn't stop thinking. This manifests in the emotional area of their being. Mercury in the third would make someone very effective when it comes to communication, finding it very easy to communicate ideas and exchange with one another, and will not being emotionally affected with communication because it's all intellectual.

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You are literally getting yourself confused. I literally have to google correlated again and this is what I found this definition

Correlated
have a mutual relationship or connection, in which one thing affects or depends on another.
establish a mutual relationship or connection between.

with the first definition specifically "one thing affects or depends" You got to pay attention to the or/OR.

I didn't mention anything about these two planets depending on each other. They exist independently. However these planets affects each other but I don't think they have to depend on each other.

If you wanna argue semantics, definitions and don't like that I use the word correlate we can throw that out. It wouldn't change what I am saying.

You seem to be hung up on me I am saying that I see similarities between Moon in the 3rd House and Mercury in the 3rd House.

Again I got to repeat myself
Moon and Mercury. They are different & exist independently from each other. They have different meanings, expressions, energies, and purpose. Even so they are different but they correlate because they work together and feed off each other. They don't simply exist singularly even if you can define them separately.

If you are paying attention, I never said or imply that "the manifestation of house placements are the same as sign placements" Similar yes but NOT THE SAME.

Mercury doesn't feel emotions but Mercury communicates emotions through the Moon that feels the emotions.

The Moon feels emotions; but how is emotions felt. Is it just physical? Is it just mental? How do you feel emotions? Is there a standard?

When I feel emotions, it's physical and mental. My emotions are connected to my experiences, relationships (Venus) and words (Mercury) that have been said to me past and present. Coincidentally enough, I have Moon in the 3rd House.

Mercury communicates with the Moon and vice versa. They work together, correlate (the way I am using it means affects/connect).

Lastly there are similarities in everything. To me Mercury in the third house shares characteristics with Moon in Gemini. BTW TO REPEAT MYSELF FOR A THIRD TIME

posted January 25, 2017 05:25 PM            

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Originally posted by meyray:

I completely agree with all of what Electro DGX said. A single Mercury placement and a single Moon placement are not comparable.

In fact no planets become interchangeable just because they share a link though sign or house rulership. It sounds a little bit like a fallacy (affirming the consequent) And trying to force an argument for interchangeability between planets by philosophizing about their qualities is just hot air.

To be completely honest I wish people would stop trying to compare placements all together. It oversimplifies things and creates misconceptions. Every placement is valid by and for itself and is not disposable with another.

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I disagree with you, but I am tired of repeating myself. FYI I didn't imply planets are interchangeable.

I would say that comparing placements doesn't not oversimplifies things, it kinda does the opposite. You delve deeper into the subject while allowing you to see a different perspective.

posted January 25, 2017 05:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Radium:
I have Moon conjunct Mercury in the 3rd

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