posted February 05, 2017 01:29 PM            

1. This person has no empathy.

2. This person enjoys hurting others. Normal people may like getting power over others but EMPATHY stops them from brutality, usually. In the case of the person with no empathy, there is nothing stopping them.

3. They have boatloads of empathy for themselves. Hence, they will cry and wail when someone hurts them, but they will have no compunction hurting someone else in the very same manner.

4, This person has NO self reflection i.e insight into themselves. They may appear to have insight into themselves, but it is a shallow show. In reality, they don’t

5. They blame others for what THEY do. This is a psychological defense mechanism. It is the “food choice” of the Malignant Narcissist.

6. The Malignant Narcissist is a very, very insecure person with a weak sense of self. Contrarily, they seem to have a very bloated sense of self. Think of the Ted Baxter on the Mary Tyler Moore show. He was obnoxiously "confident". However, the root of this behavior was a very deep sense of insecurity, which is really to be pitied. However, the person is, usually, extremely repulsive, to be very honest, so one does not pity them. However, one really should.

7. The Malignant Narcissist hides in a small,usually, group of people to whom she shows an entirely different personality. That way, she can USE those people to appear as if the people who actually see her are in error in their correct perception.

8. The Malignant Narcissist will engineer situations in which the Mal Narc provokes others. When they respond with anger, the Mal Narc blames them for "going over the top". Hence, if one needs to deal with them( and one, usually, will have to deal with them, at some point in life) NEVER give them any ammunition with which to turn the tables, such as blame someone for "threatening" them. Give them no reason to blame you, so all the blame can, rightfully, be on them, where it belongs.

This is not an exhaustive set of traits for the Malignant Narcissist. If you want to study the subject in depth, read Dr Scott Pecks book “People of the Lie–Evil in Everyday Life”

The Astrology of the Malignant Narcissist
1. Empathy is lacking, so we need to focus on chart factors for empathy, first of all. Empathy is the ABILITY to put oneself in the shoes of another. I do think empathy is seen in the chart. If a person lacks empathy, I do not think it is their fault.

2.I think the MN is born, not created from her environment. This is a controversial point of view and I may be wrong, but if she is not born that way, she is born with a great proclivity to be that way. The environment, simply, TRIGGERED it.Empathy is seen by several chart factors, one of which us water. Some of the others are Jupiter and the Moon.

3. I do not think a person with high water, a well aspected Moon and a well aspected Jupiter CAN have a lack of empathy. I think that a native with high water, a well aspected Moon and a well aspected Jupiter could grow up with Charles Manson and still not be a Malignant Narcissist.

4. High water consists of two or more personal planets in water signs. The personal planets are the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Mars and Venus.

5. If one has a well aspected Moon, I doubt one could lack empathy. The Moon is the heart and the seat of empathy.

6. In my study of charts of actual sociopaths, of which I knew three, they ALL had a very afflicted Jupiter. Jupiter is a large factor in conscience. Empathy and Conscience are different, but they are related. I do think one needs empathy in order to have a conscience. So, there is some intertwining between these two facets of human nature.

One cannot understand all the particulars in a disorder such as Malignant Narcissism, just as one cannot understand all the Astrological factors. However, I hope I have given clues to the chart of a Malignant Narcissist.

The most important thing to remember is this. They will NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER change, without an actual miracle. Hence, protect yourself. That is all you can do. That is why I wrote this article.

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posted February 05, 2017 01:34 PM            

As for narcissists, I could say my dad is one. Weakest planet is Pluto, only Saturn in Cancer and NN in Scorpio with a Leo Sun and Mercury+Venus in the fifth house. Has Mars-Uranus quincunx with Grand fire trine between Leo Sun, Sag Moon, and Aries Jupiter. Has T-Square between Saturn-Chiron/Jupiter-Uranus (Saturn at apex).

posted February 05, 2017 01:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
I think I'm a malignant Narcissist.
Lol but I have a bunch of empathy for others, however I use it to get what I want and tune it out if I need to. This only seems like the practical way to live life, but it fits your description..

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It is really not a joke, S lol

These people suffer a lot, themselves, but cause HUGE suffering to others.

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posted February 05, 2017 01:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
Well, I wasn't joking, but I know what you mean. Based on your description (and what I've read on my own), my mom is definitely a malignant narcissist..

I've talked about it on here before, but basically she has a Virgo Sun-Mercury-Pluto-Mars-SN (6th) and Venus(Libra) /Moon (Scorpio) in the 7th. She needs others, first of all, and manipulates people to get what she wants, always critical so you're never good enough to appease her, tries to tear you down to make you dependent. But she can turn all of that around in an instant if it will benefit her. Like, she doesn't do all that to me now that I'm not living with her because she's afraid of being alone, but I can't forget..

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It's like your describing my mom. Down to the T. Don't remember if her Merc was close enough to be conjunct, but she had the same configuration as yours.
I was SO much healthier when I finally left that house. And yeah, now that I'm not living with her and also older & therefore less likely to "take cr*p", she doesn't do as much harm as she used to.

posted February 05, 2017 01:55 PM            

If you were a Mal narc, you would not be this sweet and questioning, as well as being very sweet and kind on here, in my opinion.

The MN don't question themselves. They attack lol

I am sure if your mother is a MN, you can see what I am talking about.

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posted February 05, 2017 01:59 PM            

6. The Malignant Narcissist is a very, very insecure person with a weak sense of self. Contrarily, they seem to have a very bloated sense of self. Think of the Ted Baxter on the Mary Tyler Moore show. He was obnoxiously "confident". However, the root of this behavior was a very deep sense of insecurity, which is really to be pitied. However, the person is, usually, extremely repulsive, to be very honest, so one does not pity them. However, one really should.

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posted February 05, 2017 02:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
I get the strong feeling that this thread is an indirect attack on someone on the forums, an attack for an argument that had previously took place the day before.

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Mmm...*nods*....

posted February 05, 2017 02:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:

It's like your describing my mom. Down to the T. Don't remember if her Merc was close enough to be conjunct, but she had the same configuration as yours.
I was SO much healthier when I finally left that house. And yeah, now that I'm not living with her and also older & therefore less likely to "take cr*p", she doesn't do as much harm as she used to.

I think her childhood of extreme neglect caused her to turn out this way though.

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Same! Yes, her childhood was of extreme neglect like your mom's.. So now her main line (usually in anger) is 'I DESERVE __,' and she thinks other people should fill in the blanks.
My mom's is:
Unaspected Virgo Sun in the 6th
Virgo Mars conjunct SN conjunct BML in 6th (which is conjunct my Mars in synastry)
Pluto conjunct retrograde Mercury in Virgo in 6th (which is conjunct my Chiron and square my Sun)
Moon conjunct Neptune in Scorpio (7th), opposite Saturn-Juno exactly
Venus (29 Libra) conjunct Scorpio Jupiter in 7th
And... wait for it... Waldemath conjunct IC in Cancer exactly. Lol

posted February 05, 2017 02:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
I get the strong feeling that this thread is an indirect attack on someone on the forums, an attack for an argument that had previously took place the day before. Just an assumption, could be wrong :P

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posted February 05, 2017 02:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
Same! Yes, her childhood was of extreme neglect like your mom's.. So now her main line (usually in anger) is 'I DESERVE __,' and she thinks other people should fill in the blanks.
My mom's is:
Unaspected Virgo Sun in the 6th
Virgo Mars conjunct SN conjunct BML in 6th (which is conjunct my Mars in synastry)
Pluto conjunct retrograde Mercury in Virgo in 6th (which is conjunct my Chiron and square my Sun)
Moon conjunct Neptune in Scorpio (7th), opposite Saturn-Juno exactly
Venus (29 Libra) conjunct Scorpio Jupiter in 7th
And... wait for it... Waldemath conjunct IC in Cancer exactly. Lol

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posted February 05, 2017 02:11 PM            

there was another thread a while ago which the OP asked to see charts of people which come across as having the " narcissistic personality disorder". we were surprised to see that almost all of them had the nodes axis in their 1st/7th house. most of them actually even very close to the AC/DC axis itself

posted February 05, 2017 02:14 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
Ami I agree with you on the afflicted jupiter.

there was another thread a while ago which the OP asked to see charts of people which come across as having the " narcissistic personality disorder". we were all surprised to see that almost all of them had the nodes axis in their 1st/7th house. most of them actually even very close to the AC/DC axis itself

not saying all people who have the node on AC or a stressed jupiter are narcissistic; just something to have in mind when you check someone's chart

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I remember that. In my dad's chart, he has SN exactly conjunct the Ascendant in the 12th house and NN conjunct DSC in the 6th house. So tight they could be in the 1st and 7th houses.

posted February 05, 2017 02:18 PM            

The "worst" on the spectrum is the Mal Narc.

So, there are many people who are narcissistic but they are not a Malignant Narc.

So, those are some important considerations, lest people go crazy diagnosing themselves lol

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posted February 05, 2017 02:27 PM            

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Originally posted by bonsai:
I have a heavily afflicted, retrograde Jupiter. Jupiter square moon (albeit a very wide orb of > 7), opposite Venus, square MC, and square Uranus (though trine Mercury), and I know I have great empathy. Interesting, did I somehow fail to live up to my chart?

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I don't think hard jupiter to venus or moon are scary.

posted February 05, 2017 02:32 PM            

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Originally posted by bonsai:
Interesting, did I somehow fail to live up to my chart?

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posted February 05, 2017 02:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
Aaah! Omg Pluto-Merc squaring your Sun, living at close quarters can be nasty.
Especially if the Pluto person is already an authority figure (parent in this case).

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posted February 05, 2017 02:34 PM            

A Mal Narc is somewhat rare, so most people are not this, but some are, of course.

Those people cause endless wells of pain for others, especially when you are unfortunate enough to have them in your family

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posted February 05, 2017 02:49 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
I don't think hard jupiter to venus or moon are scary.

I'd look for hard (especially the square) jupiter/saturn, jupiter/mars, jupiter/sun, even jupiter/AC, because jupiter has a dark self-righteous side as well as its cliche jovial image.

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