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Topic: Men Who Do Not Want Children
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girlwiththerainysoul
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posted February 28, 2017 07:07 AM
 
what aspects/placements do you think they have?maybe the 5th ruler in hard aspect to saturn? I only know two men who don't want children, one is Aries sun, the other Scorpio. unfortunately I only know their sun sign and no birth chart
p.s.
both women and men may not want to have kids for various reasons; money, time, dislike for how messy kids are, or overall considering kids to be not that sweet and a total waste of time and energy! IP: Logged |
girlwiththerainysoul
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posted February 28, 2017 07:09 AM
p.s. 2!and for some people, this isn't only a phase. they will not change their mind about it, as they have never had before being almost 40 now IP: Logged |
MilaBirkin
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posted February 28, 2017 07:42 AM
I think 5th house and Saturn might have something to do with that.
I'm a woman but I have like a contradiction about if I want to have kids or not and I have 5th house in Virgo opposite Saturn in Pisces, I think almost exact and Chiron in 5th house. Ruler of 5th house: Mercury in Aquarius in 10th house square Pluto (Pluto is the ruler of my 7th house and is in 7th house).
This is so personal but the reason why I'm not sure about all this is because I've suffer a lot and I've a lot of obstacles. My life has been so Saturn.
I have a good relationship with kids but most of the kids I've met are so different than I was! I was so calm, serious, responsible, shy, I've always had selfcontrol... You can totally see that I have Sun conjunct Saturn(this was more obvious when I was little).
Sometimes (more now that I'm about to be 22) I think having a child would be so wonderful! There are so many beautiful things in this world, in this life but there are also so many sad things and reality can sucks. Sometimes I think having a child is selfish and not having a child could be considered selfish as well.I'm sorry if something I wrote doesn't make sense, I'm still learning this language  .
I hope you can get other replies. I'm curious now. IP: Logged |
girlwiththerainysoul
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posted February 28, 2017 08:21 AM
wow thanks Mila, no you really helped and your English is good  so from what you said, I'm thinking maybe - chiron in 5th: not wanting kids so they won't suffer in this world
- 5th ruler square: fearing that kids will make you lose your control/individuality
- 5th ruler in hard aspect to saturn (I have this): seeing kids as a burden/waste of resources on the other hand I see people with natal saturn in 5th rushing into relationships just to get a child out of it! it's surprising actually how saturn in 5th people have children very early - moon square venus in women, I think also makes one not want kids, the difference being that the person doesn't like getting/feeling pregnant, or a baby sucking on their breasts. I have this aspect, and both the moon and venus are in the water element, but they're still squaring, and honestly the thought of pregnancy/birth makes me sick in the stomach. I've always been like this. don't know how this one manifest in men - true lilith in the 5th: again I have this, and it's square my moon and opposite my venus! I find babies/children very alien-like. they weird me out I personally don't care about coming off selfish. I knew I didn't want kids since I was a kid myself! after a couple of painful breakups over this thing with kids, I am realizing that I need to be straight about this issue right from the start, and that my choices might indeed be quite limited! so I'm wondering what aspect men who don't want kids have. some guesses
men with:
moon/uranus hard
moon/pluto hard
moon/saturn hard
maybe? I think looking at the 4th house might help too. I have pluto in 4th, not too eager on the concept of family (the one I was born in, or the one I could start myself) in general. IP: Logged |
girlwiththerainysoul
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posted February 28, 2017 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
- 5th ruler square: fearing that kids will make you lose your control/individuality
- 5th ruler in hard aspect to saturn (I
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5th ruler square pluto: fearing that kids will.. IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness
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posted February 28, 2017 11:03 AM
I don't want kids, neither am I going to marry. I get along very well with kids, and they too like me, I actually have Venus in 5th. I do have my reasons for not wanting them however. I have lots of things to do in life, responsibilities that come with having kids would be a burden, chains. I have seen how it plays out in other people's lives, I'd rather not make the same mistake. The chances of parents ruining their child's life is far higher than letting their child blossom. And the present world is hardly a good place for a child.Ruler of 5H is Neptune in Capricorn.
- Placed in 3rd House
- Conjuncts Uranus
- Inconjuncts Moon
- Sextiles Pluto IP: Logged |
Elise3090
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posted February 28, 2017 11:09 AM
@Girlwiththerainysouli have natal saturn in 5th house retrograde and i never wanted a child.
i got surprised now i would like to add
men that do not want a children i think in a empty 5 and 4 houses because empty houses means subjects thaht don't interest us in life
a man with empty 4 house don't have "family" in priority IP: Logged |
MilaBirkin
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posted February 28, 2017 11:31 AM
Oh, you are so nice. You know what? I feel you: “I knew I didn't want kids since I was a kid myself!“ you reminded me that I've never been the type of person who is always saying "aww" everytime they see babies. I've never make those weird funny voices just because I wanted to make smile a baby, you know what I mean? I hope so.
My maternal family is huge and I've always been around pregnant women, babies, kids... But I've never wanted to touch them or make them laugh. I've always felt bad for this, like I'm a cold person or something. quote:
- chiron in 5th: not wanting kids so they won't suffer in this world
- 5th ruler square pluto: fearing that kids will make you lose your control/individuality
- 5th ruler in hard aspect to saturn (I have this): seeing kids as a burden/waste of resources
wow! You are so good. I just realised about Chiron in 5th house! It makes so much sense. Also about Pluto. quote:
on the other hand I see people with natal saturn in 5th rushing into relationships just to get a child out of it! it's surprising actually how saturn in 5th people have children very early
Yes! My mum has Saturn in 5th house and she had a child when she was 21. To me that's really young because she was pregnant when she was 20. I don't have any planet in 5th house and this caught my attention. And I have Mars in 4th house, I don't know if that is important. I find so interesting everything you wrote! I only know one man who doesn't want to have children and he is Scorpio. I don't know his time of birth. IP: Logged |
girlwiththerainysoul
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posted February 28, 2017 01:39 PM
thank you mila, elise and anonym@anonymidarkness do you have any moon/uranus aspects? oh and are you a guy?! IP: Logged |
girlwiththerainysoul
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posted February 28, 2017 01:40 PM
oh I see now you have moon inconjunct uranus?IP: Logged |
DualGemV2
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posted February 28, 2017 03:05 PM
5th house Gemini sun, no harsh Saturn.Generally I would say no to kids. But my Gemini niece just soften me up. for the time being shes an angel. I wonder if it has to do with 5th house and children. Be a Gemini children be the key to change my mind about children. ====================================
Gemini Sun,
Capricorn Rising
Aries Moon
Gemini Mercury
Venus Taurus
Mars Cancer IP: Logged |
Mergoatsun
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posted February 28, 2017 03:14 PM
Sometimes its not completely obvious in a chart. If the 5th house isn't indicating much then I go to the 4th house to see how he likes a home, how his homelife was growing up, and the 10th house. The house the moon is in can mean a lot too, moon in the 8th house men may have strong reactions to children/nurturing, men with 12 house moon's can have an idealistic view of children/nurturing, and be very unclear of what they exactly want.If the sun doesn't show anything definitie, I look to Saturn in male charts since Saturn can represent the father. I also look to the moon for his nurturing ability, his mars for his providing ability overall energy, and his jupiter for being a husband/provider as well. I also look at their chart dominant planets (it describes a LOT) and their chart dominant signs (top 3 for both). For example, I've seen that most pluto dominant men are generally adverse to children (unless something else in their chart indicates otherwise). IP: Logged |
sis
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posted February 28, 2017 03:16 PM
I am 42. I've never wanted to have kids. never. My moon ( 5th or 6th hs depending on the system u use ) is heavily afficlicted. ( moon square neptune, mars, nn, jupiter ) I have moon trine pluto as well.. Saturn in Cancer making oppositions to my asc,mercury,venus... My main reason not wanting to have any kids not willing to have an additional blood tie- its too sacrificial... I have been burdened by my blood ties through out my life...Being a capricorn can't help but be responsible, be the unwilling hero... and suffer for not being able to please myself... IP: Logged |
Selenite
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posted February 28, 2017 03:49 PM
my boyfriend: sun / mercury in 5th
5th ruler is venus. venus opposite uranus, moon square venus, moon square uranus (t-square)IP: Logged |
Lerena
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posted February 28, 2017 04:43 PM
My brother's 5th house ruler is Mars. He has Mars opposite Saturn. He also has Mars conjunct Chiron.To be honest, I'd be surprised if my brother even went for marriage. He doesn't seem like the marriage type, let alone the type for parenthood. IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness
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posted February 28, 2017 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
oh I see now you have moon inconjunct uranus?
Yes I have, might have moon inconjunct pluto too depending upon the orb allowed for inconjunctions which I'm not sure of. Moon is in 8th. Also have Moon/Saturn, not a hard aspect though, it's a trine. And yes, I'm a guy. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted February 28, 2017 10:08 PM
My partner has Saturn in the 5H and right from the start he told me he did not what to have kids. I remember once before I graduated from my Bachelor's degree I was working at an after school program as a counselor. One day I went into the school office with him and all these kids rushed in out of nowhere, he started breathing heavily and exhibiting symptoms of a prepanic attack. I feel the responsibility of having children truly terrifies him.IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted February 28, 2017 10:16 PM
Edit*he did not want to have.. I should add that Jupiter conjuncts his Saturn! so I feel this expands all his insecurities around having kids more. Further he has virgo intercepted in the 5H and Mercury falls in his 6H, again reinforces he sees this as a big responsibility. All the more reason why he would take this seriously and would be a good dad but the only way I will have a child with him is if he is 100% truly on board with this among other things, I am not bringing a child to this world to be traumatized, I am not setting them up like that. I prefer to sacrifice my desire to have children (Neptune rules my 5H and squares my MOON conjunct 5H). Interestingly he has Saturn in the 5H sesquisquare Moon). My high ideals of what my child deserves hold me back and his fears hold him back. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted February 28, 2017 10:20 PM
Correction, he has Saturn in the 5H square his MOON.IP: Logged |
girlwiththerainysoul
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posted March 01, 2017 12:54 AM
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Originally posted by Mergoatsun:
Sometimes its not completely obvious in a chart. If the 5th house isn't indicating much then I go to the 4th house to see how he likes a home, how his homelife was growing up, and the 10th house. The house the moon is in can mean a lot too, moon in the 8th house men may have strong reactions to children/nurturing, men with 12 house moon's can have an idealistic view of children/nurturing, and be very unclear of what they exactly want.If the sun doesn't show anything definitie, I look to Saturn in male charts since Saturn can represent the father. I also look to the moon for his nurturing ability, his mars for his providing ability overall energy, and his jupiter for being a husband/provider as well. I also look at their chart dominant planets (it describes a LOT) and their chart dominant signs (top 3 for both). For example, I've seen that most pluto dominant men are generally adverse to children (unless something else in their chart indicates otherwise).
thank you Mergoatsun! I got a new perspective interesting thing you mentioned about other planets (pluto, jupiter, mars) in a man's chart and his opinion on children. anyone I have had a relationship with has been pluto dominant, but jupiter as well! so the result was them at the end trying to force me into what they wanted! moon in 8th men, haven't had experience with them that I know of moon in the 12th, I agree, tends to have elusive thoughts on what they want in life
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girlwiththerainysoul
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posted March 01, 2017 01:02 AM
quote:
Originally posted by sis:
I am 42. I've never wanted to have kids. never. My moon ( 5th or 6th hs depending on the system u use ) is heavily afficlicted. ( moon square neptune, mars, nn, jupiter ) I have moon trine pluto as well.. Saturn in Cancer making oppositions to my asc,mercury,venus... My main reason not wanting to have any kids not willing to have an additional blood tie- its too sacrificial... I have been burdened by my blood ties through out my life...Being a capricorn can't help but be responsible, be the unwilling hero... and suffer for not being able to please myself...
I can relate to your situation, having had to endure a lot only because your're related by blood but you should know that there are many others out there like you, should you ever feel stressed when the society, family or friends try to pressure you into what they feel is the "rule" for happiness I am sure that you will soon find great pleasure and satisfaction if you invest more in yourself and what makes you happy. other people's opinions never define your happiness I actually believe that there are many more women and men who don not want kids, but they don't admit it to themselves, fearing that they come off as a loser or a selfish person if they don't do it. the result being many shattered and stressful family environments where everyone can't wait for the day they can leave that home. there are sure loving families as well who adore children and babies, but this thing is just not for everyone
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girlwiththerainysoul
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posted March 01, 2017 01:05 AM
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Originally posted by Selenite:
my boyfriend: sun / mercury in 5th
5th ruler is venus. venus opposite uranus, moon square venus, moon square uranus (t-square)
I guess you're boyfriend must have a hard inner conflict his sun in the 5th telling him that he won't accomplish truly unless he has his own child, yet the venus/moon/uranus square makes him escape anything related to babies/mothering IP: Logged |
girlwiththerainysoul
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posted March 01, 2017 01:26 AM
@hypatiaI found it interesting, your take on his saturn/jupiter in 5th conjunction, that jupiter expands his the insecurities of saturn! I never looked at saturn/jupiter aspects that way! I used to think that jupiter helps saturn let loose a bit, but now I think maybe only trine or sextile can do that, and conjunction would very much be like the square or the opposition about neptune your 5th ruler, I agree that scorpio ACs have a very compassionate relationship with kids. If you have seen that your partner can be nurturing with you, I guess there is no worries that he won't be the same with your child, especially if it's a girl I think men with moon in aspect to saturn, uranus, mars, pluto, can't be very nrturing. even the trines/sextiles. they see it as some sort of weakness, to baby someone, their wife/girlfriend or their child. there are also men who have great relationships with their daughter(s), but can't be close or loving with their son(s), or vice versa; the same for women. I'm interested to know what aspects these people have. maybe hard aspects of their sun to saturn, mars, uranus and pluto if they can't show love to their sons (because of their relationships with their own father), and moon hard to saturn/uranus/pluto/mars for a difficult relationship with the mother, resulting in a bad relationship with their daughters. I have also seen loving parents who really differentiate between sons/daughters, these are very well-aspected people I guess hehe! IP: Logged |
girlwiththerainysoul
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posted March 01, 2017 01:31 AM
* if a man's 5th ruler aspects venus, the person loves children, to the point that having children becomes even a priority. I have seen this a few times. even though there is hard aspects between mars and the 5th ruler, and moon/uranus aspects (a cold mother) as well they also have a great relationships with children IP: Logged |
MarsSaturnDelight
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posted March 01, 2017 02:15 AM
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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
* if a man's 5th ruler aspects venus, the person loves children, to the point that having children becomes even a priority. I have seen this a few times. even though there is hard aspects between mars and the 5th ruler, and moon/uranus aspects (a cold mother) as well they also have a great relationships with children
I have an empty 4 and 5th house. But my 5th house ruler (Venus) sits in my 1st house. I love children. I have 2 daughters and looking to have another child. I am very family orientated too, getting married and being responsible for my girls has helped turn into a man, what's not to like! IP: Logged |
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