posted March 04, 2017 11:21 AM            

For example, I tend to be very aware of my shadow side, but I don't think I express Scorpio rising's shadow traits as typically defined. This results in other people probably noticing different negative traits in me first. My stubbornness stands out, I'm sure.

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I am a religious Sagittarius riser. I suppose as per the title of the topic, that's a bad thing. I like zeal, as long as it doesn't keep you from hearing other people's points of view.

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posted March 04, 2017 11:22 AM            

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posted March 04, 2017 11:44 AM            

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Originally posted by AutumnNight:
not clingy...a loner and distant type person.

But, I do live in the past...lol I am the type that can really remember stuff down to the detail and everything said....like a script of a past event. Makes it hard to forgive without a major talk being to have where confrontation happens.

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posted March 04, 2017 11:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I am vain. OK?

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posted March 04, 2017 12:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Lerena:
Even if you don't express the qualities in the main post, this doesn't mean you don't express any negative qualities of your rising sign. Every Ascendant has more negative traits. It's just that the first post can only mention so many of them.

For example, I tend to be very aware of my shadow side, but I don't think I express Scorpio rising's shadow traits as typically defined. This results in other people probably noticing different negative traits in me first. My stubbornness stands out, I'm sure.

[QUOTE][b]I am a religious Sagittarius riser. I suppose as per the title of the topic, that's a bad thing. I like zeal, as long as it doesn't keep you from hearing other people's points of view.

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Yes Lerena, I am a Scorpio riser and the moon rules our 9H of higher beliefs and I have it in pisces, I am not vindictive at all but paranoid yes. I would think a scorpio riser with moon in aries or scorpio or with moon in aspect to mars or pluto would be vindictive. Even my third house ruler saturn (lower mind, our thoughts, thinking) conjuncts my pluto but falls in the 12H so again the 12H makes it so any vindictive thoughts stay in the realm of fantasy and make it easier for that energy to just dissolve plus saturn cools pluto off and is scared of acting on vindictive thoughts bc it believes in karma. To top it off my mars conjuncts venus and trines neptune. I am literally designed to not be vindictive. I cant hold grudges lol.

I can feel anger strongly, I can definitely feel very annoyed or irritated, ohh yeah and then my rude side shows !! I can fantasize about strangling my partner when he is sucking but I forgive easily. I have felt that there is something wrong with me.

posted March 04, 2017 04:00 PM            

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Originally posted by UrsusBlack:
I realize. I suppose I just don't think being a fanatic is such a bad thing. But I realize that the definition of fanatism has taken on a new connotation, so I'm not sure what I'm really attempting to say. Ignore me. Lol

I saw your other thread. And while completely understand the thought process to come to that conclusion, as it is logical one, I'm not sure I agree. Mind you, my experience is not the experience of everyone, so it could very well be that you are right. I'd still say at least one of the shadow sides would be a Bacchus type thing as vertiver mentioned.

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Yes fanatism implies that a libe has been crossed and the person is obsessed and pushing their religion unto others. A very extreme example would the salem witch hunt, the willingness to use force to have others convert to the religion you believe in. Wars have started over religion, to me that is the shadow side of Sagittarius.

posted March 04, 2017 04:02 PM            

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Originally posted by UrsusBlack:
Sorry the definition of a fanatic, not fanatism.

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posted March 04, 2017 06:57 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Well one way sag can express its shadow is religious fanatism but it I was debating when I did the list whether to put that or a 'tendency towards excesses.' Tendency towards excesses is more general but since jupiter rules theology and the highermind I went for 'religious fanatism.'

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posted March 04, 2017 07:01 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Interesting. Thanks for sharing. What sign is your moon in and what aspects does it make to other planets?

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Moon in saggitarius.

posted March 04, 2017 07:03 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
One way Capricorn expresses its shadow is workaholism but there are other manifestations. In what way do you feel it manifests for you?

How do you feel sag risers manifest their shadow side?

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I don't think I express that much the shadow side of Capricorn. I am ambitious, I want to succeed. Is that a shadow?

posted March 04, 2017 07:36 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Yes Lerena, I am a Scorpio riser and the moon rules our 9H of higher beliefs and I have it in pisces, I am not vindictive at all but paranoid yes. I would think a scorpio riser with moon in aries or scorpio or with moon in aspect to mars or pluto would be vindictive. Even my third house ruler saturn (lower mind, our thoughts, thinking) conjuncts my pluto but falls in the 12H so again the 12H makes it so any vindictive thoughts stay in the realm of fantasy and make it easier for that energy to just dissolve plus saturn cools pluto off and is scared of acting on vindictive thoughts bc it believes in karma. To top it off my mars conjuncts venus and trines neptune. I am literally designed to not be vindictive. I cant hold grudges lol.

I can feel anger strongly, I can definitely feel very annoyed or irritated, ohh yeah and then my rude side shows !! I can fantasize about strangling my partner when he is sucking but I forgive easily. I have felt that there is something wrong with me.

I think neptune makes it hard to hold unto anger and vindictive thoughts long enough to act on them, its like going agaisnt its nature to just let go and go with the flow, adapt. Neptune just wants peace and to feel good lol.

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It's strange that I have Moon square Mars and I'm not very vindictive. Well, I should say I'm just not the type to act. If I'm angry, I tend to rant and then move on unless the issue keeps popping up over and over. One-time things and inconveniences don't bug me after I've finished ranting. One-time experiences, however, can spark multiple rants and quite a bit of rage, especially if the experience of a one-time thing lasts for more than a few days. Other people are rarely the source of my anger. Usually, if I'm mad at someone, it's because of something they did and it's typically more my issue than an actual problem with them.

Somehow, I tend to avoid being part of drama, so this lessens my need to get even with people.

Paranoia is another subject for another time, a time when it isn't dark outside. At night is when my paranoia is more likely to come out, but in the more minor ways, I'm just concerned with how I come across and I'm self-conscious to a fault.

posted March 04, 2017 09:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Lerena:
To be honest, my main thing about revenge is while I don't feel like karma would punish me, I feel uncomfortable with the thought of wanting others to experience something I wouldn't enjoy myself. I'm even less pleased with being responsible for another person's misfortune.

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That is so me!!100%! I thought it was a moon in pisces or neptune thing...

Scorpios get such a rep for been vindictive but I feel there is more to this than it been a Scorpio thing. I feel cancer is involved some how bc they have a hard time letting go and good memories so maybe scorpios the decan of cancer so in tbe degrees after 20 (late degrees) or scorpio placements which trine cancer.

I feel nessus may be involved too like my ex has sun in scorpio in the decan of cancer trine nessus in cancer. My partner has mars in scorpio in the decan of cancer trine nessus in cancer and moon in Cancer trine mercury in scorpio abd they hold grudges, they dont forget easily, cancer and scorpio together is rough bc cancer holds on go the past and has very good emotional memory and scorpio is fixed and also has a rep for having difficulty letting go.

I feel mars/aries deals with anger by expressing it and then bam is over and they let it go like you mentioned with your mars square moon which I respect a lot.

posted March 04, 2017 09:51 PM            

That is so me!!100%! I thought it was a moon in pisces or neptune thing...

Scorpios get such a rep for been vindictive but I feel there is more to this than it been a Scorpio thing.

I feel cancer is involved some how bc they have a hard time letting go and have a good memory so maybe scorpios in the decan of cancer (in the late degrees of scorpio after 20) or scorpio placements which trine cancer.

I feel nessus may be involved too like my ex has sun in scorpio in the decan of cancer trine nessus in cancer. My partner has mars in scorpio in the decan of cancer trine nessus in cancer and moon in Cancer trine mercury in scorpio and they hold grudges, they dont forget easily. Cancer and scorpio together is rough bc cancer holds on to the past and has very good emotional memory and scorpio is fixed and also has a rep for having difficulty letting go.

I feel mars/aries deals with anger by expressing it and then bam is over and they let it go like you mentioned with your mars square moon which I respect a lot.

posted March 04, 2017 09:55 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Unevolved manifestations or afflicted rising signs...

Leo= drama queen/king
Scorpio= vindictive, paranoid
Capricorn= workaholic

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Very true.

Leo ascendant

I went out for dinner with a group of coworkers, one of them is a leo rising.
She didn't like the way the meal was made and she caused a scene. Suffice to say nobody wants to bring her out ever again.

Scorpio ascendant

Another coworker, gives off obvious clues and says to much.... Some how this person had become paranoid of me.

Capircorn ascendant.

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
Very true.

Leo ascendant

I went out for dinner with a group of coworkers, one of them is a leo rising.
She didn't like the way the meal was made and she caused a scene. Suffice to say nobody wants to bring her out ever again.

Scorpio ascendant

Another coworker, gives off obvious clues and says to much.... Some how this person had become paranoid of me.

Capircorn ascendant.

Its better to stay busy then not doing anything.

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Gemini Sun,
Capricorn Rising
Aries Moon
Gemini Mercury
Venus Taurus
Mars Cancer

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posted March 05, 2017 03:43 AM            

It's funny, I always falsely accuse as someone who is not religious.

I'm neither pessimistic or optimistic about religion. I choose spirituality than being religious since long time ago based on my experiences in life and in church organization for two years.

Because I rarely show my religion or talk about it, some people will come to me making a preach or try to convert theirs to mine. Sometimes I just smile but if they push me and I think it becomes more and more stupid, I will make a big surprise.

The sag moon I know is really pessimistic of faith, doesn't believe in religion very much.

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This person who is a sag riser does not tend to excess either. He is interested in spirituality and is a truth seeker.

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posted March 05, 2017 04:11 PM            

Vindictiveness is also something I deal with a lot. When I was younger I wasn't as vindictive but as I've grown older I've become more set on getting back at people.

posted March 05, 2017 04:38 PM            

I feel sag people go the atheist route too resenting religion for trying to control their behavior and getting in the way of their freedom.

@electro

I can see as a scorpio riser with mars on the AC and lots of fixed energy overall in your chart with a fixed stellium falling in your 4H how you struggle with holding grudges and a vindictive nature. Cancers have good emotional memory and have a hard time letting go so that Aquarius stellium in the 4H I feel plays a role too along with Mars on the AC and scorpio rising .

I imagine though that if someone went out of their way to show you they love you and that they care and are sorry you would let them back in although you wont forget bc your memory is too good.

posted March 06, 2017 07:55 AM            

I would think Sag rising's shadow would be going off of the deep end because we have no limits and way too much faith that everything will be okay lol

posted March 06, 2017 11:08 AM            

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Originally posted by alanabelle86:
Sag rising religious fanatic?

I would think Sag rising's shadow would be going off of the deep end because we have no limits and way too much faith that everything will be okay lol

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