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hypatia238
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posted March 04, 2017 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When you make a mistake you beat yourself up forever and think "there is something terribly wrong with me, I am bad, I am etc.. " instead of "I made a mistake, I shouldn't have done that, it was stupid."

In a nutshell you dwell in that place of guilt so much it turns into the ugly monster of shame, you lack self compassion.

What causes this? I am thinking jupiter meets saturn folks are more prone to this.

I ask you:

1. Do you have Sag placements??
2. Do you have AC in Capricorn or Sagittarius?
3. Do you have Jupiter in hard aspect to Saturn?
4. Venus in Sag conjunct Saturn?

You get the idea...

Or!

Is the Ruler of your 2H aspecting saturn and jupiter?

The second house is our values. Saturn is the critical parent, were our critical internal voice comes from, the negative thoughts. Jupiter is religion and what we were taught was right or wrong, morality, ethics.

Do you know someone like this and do they have any of these aspects mentioned?

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posted March 04, 2017 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lerena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am like this. It would be nice if I had a sense of self-compassion. I'm not sure if that is possible. Still, outside of astrology and the information I'm about to give, I have severe Major Depression, which may not be related to any of the information being considered.

I'd like to further suggest that maybe Virgo can be like that sometimes too.

Saturn makes minor aspects to Uranus, Neptune, and my North Node, all of which are in Capricorn.

Jupiter in Virgo makes minor aspects to Uranus and Neptune as well. It makes a trine to my North Node.

1.) Do you have Sag placements??
No.

2.) Do you have AC in Capricorn or Sagittarius?
No.

3.) Do you have Jupiter in hard aspect to Saturn?
No.

4.) Venus in Sag conjunct Saturn?
No. Venus doesn't aspect Saturn at all.

5.) Is the Ruler of your 2H aspecting saturn and jupiter?
The ruler of my 2nd house is Jupiter, which I have already mentioned doesn't aspect Saturn.

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hypatia238
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posted March 04, 2017 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lerena thanks for participating.

My other guess would be that your saturn aspects your sun and possibly your moon (9H ruler). Does it aspect either of your luminaries??

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Aries23Degrees
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posted March 04, 2017 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can get like this...really anxious when something goes wrong and I am responsible.

Cap Sun, Moon,Asc,Mercury, Venus/Mars can do this

Saturn on Asc/Mc/Sun/Moon/Mercury/Venus or Mars can do this too.

There is a tendency for Saturn/Cap energy to not give the person much leeway. There is a tendency for the native to think that they have to always be at their optimum.

I have Mercury in Cap, Saturn trine Moon/conjunct Venus,Saturn sextile Mercury and MC in Capricorn.

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Sulkyarcher
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posted March 04, 2017 01:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have South Node in Virgo here. In the midst of my mental illness as a teenager, I did some horrible things, and said some horrible things.

It's hard for me to discern if it was mental psychosis, adolescent arrogance, or both.

My Virgo wants to punish myself for it, but my Pisces North Node is telling me to stop analyzing, discerning, and worrying, about the situation from my teenage years, because of my mental illness.

My lesson is to let go and let God.

Virgo energy is one energy that is highly, highly, critical, of itself! Horribly self-hating at times too!

So the answer for me, is Virgo, or lots of Virgo. South Node in Virgo talking here!

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posted March 04, 2017 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feel like it's more Saturnine energy that does this rather than Sagittarius energy. Sagittarian energy is more likely to not care as much about the way their actions are received than Saturn is.

My dad has a Sag Moon, trine Aries Jupiter, Trine Leo Sun, all in a Grand trine with Jupiter square saturn and opposite Uranus. He doesn't seem to feel guilty about anything really. He talks about being nice and respectful and all but he doesn't feel guilty ever to me. Maybe once in like five years?

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posted March 04, 2017 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wanted to add that he does send more people onto guilt trips than he himself ever does feel guilty about something.

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posted March 04, 2017 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sun/mars/venus/mercury challenegd by neptune

I don't think aspects between saturn and jupiter cause guilt, they actually contribute to more selfishness ime

virgo is a natural worrier too, so maybe the sun has to be challenged (square or op) by saturn or neptune to make the person very self critical, a pisces sun challenged by neptune or saturn to cause more self guilt

I don't find cap placements or strong saturn people to be easy to feel guilt either

* one thing I have noticed is that, people who often feel so much self guilt or are very self critical, often try to make others feel guilty for their own mistakes/shortcomings, so I'd say neptune definitely must be challenged

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posted March 04, 2017 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hypatia238:
When you make a mistake you beat yourself up forever and think "there is something terribly wrong with me, I am bad, I am etc.. " instead of "I made a mistake, I shouldn't have done that, it was stupid."

In a nutshell you dwell in that place of guilt so much it turns into the ugly monster of shame, you lack self compassion.

What causes this? I am thinking jupiter meets saturn folks are more prone to this.

I ask you:

1. Do you have Sag placements??
2. Do you have AC in Capricorn or Sagittarius?
3. Do you have Jupiter in hard aspect to Saturn?
4. Venus in Sag conjunct Saturn?

You get the idea...

Or!

Is the Ruler of your 2H aspecting saturn and jupiter?

The second house is our values. Saturn is the critical parent, were our critical internal voice comes from, the negative thoughts. Jupiter is religion and what we were taught was right or wrong, morality, ethics.

Do you know someone like this and do they have any of these aspects mentioned?


Yes. That's why I usually don't hold things against people. We all make mistakes, or have bad days.

Jupiter opposed Pluto and square Saturn. Jupiter rules my 2nd house. I also have mercury square Saturn and Chiron conjunct mercury and my sun.

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Sulkyarcher
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posted March 04, 2017 02:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Electro DGX:
I feel like it's more Saturnine energy that does this rather than Sagittarius energy. Sagittarian energy is more likely to not care as much about the way their actions are received than Saturn is.

My dad has a Sag Moon, trine Aries Jupiter, Trine Leo Sun, all in a Grand trine with Jupiter square saturn and opposite Uranus. He doesn't seem to feel guilty about anything really. He talks about being nice and respectful and all but he doesn't feel guilty ever to me. Maybe once in like five years?


Sagittarius, definitely not! In fact, Jupiter can cause them great um,....self entitlement and ego inflation!

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posted March 04, 2017 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, remember mars and Uranus are around each other for everyone, right now.

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posted March 04, 2017 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
I have South Node in Virgo here. In the midst of my mental illness as a teenager, I did some horrible things, and said some horrible things.

It's hard for me to discern if it was mental psychosis, adolescent arrogance, or both.

My Virgo wants to punish myself for it, but my Pisces North Node is telling me to stop analyzing, discerning, and worrying, about the situation from my teenage years, because of my mental illness.

My lesson is to let go and let God.

Virgo energy is one energy that is highly, highly, critical, of itself! Horribly self-hating at times too!

So the answer for me, is Virgo, or lots of Virgo. South Node in Virgo talking here!


Met many Virgo influenced people like this incl Virgo SN. Extremely self critical and anxiety ridden :-/

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hypatia238
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posted March 04, 2017 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I can get like this...really anxious when something goes wrong and I am responsible.

Cap Sun, Moon,Asc,Mercury, Venus/Mars can do this

Saturn on Asc/Mc/Sun/Moon/Mercury/Venus or Mars can do this too.

There is a tendency for Saturn/Cap energy to not give the person much leeway. There is a tendency for the native to think that they have to always be at their optimum.

I have Mercury in Cap, Saturn trine Moon/conjunct Venus,Saturn sextile Mercury and MC in Capricorn.


An indian friend of ours that practices Hinduism has Sun and mercury in Sag with venus and mars in Capricorn and moon and saturn in pisces. He is so prone to guilt, he cant ever say "No" to anyone. He employs people more bc of charitable reasons and then has the hardest time firing people others would have fired a long long time ago. His problem with guilt, setting boundaries and compassionate nature makes it impossible for him to lead his own company effectively, its bad.

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posted March 04, 2017 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by charlie:
Met many Virgo influenced people like this incl Virgo SN. Extremely self critical and anxiety ridden :-/

Good one yes virgo SN.

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Sulkyarcher
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posted March 04, 2017 03:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by charlie:
Met many Virgo influenced people like this incl Virgo SN. Extremely self critical and anxiety ridden :-/

Yes, South Node in Virgos need to learn to just not listen to the haters, and forgive themselves.

SN in Virgo is also obsessed with 'knowing' and analyzing.

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posted March 04, 2017 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for UrsusBlack     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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hypatia238
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posted March 04, 2017 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
Yes. That's why I usually don't hold things against people. We all make mistakes, or have bad days.


That is a very nice trait you have Teasel, I really respect that a lot about you. Bless your heart.

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posted March 04, 2017 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

1. Do you have Sag placements??
Yes Mars, Neptune, NN in Sag in the 12th hs

2. Do you have AC in Capricorn or Sagittarius?
Yes I have asc in Capricorn

3. Do you have Jupiter in hard aspect to Saturn?
No Jupiter trines Saturn

4. Venus in Sag conjunct Saturn?
No but I have Venus in Cap opposite Saturn in Cancer

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posted March 04, 2017 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would say the asteroid Dejanira aspecting personal planets or angles in close orb.

Also, I have been using the asteroid Deprez, which is said to be depression and people seem to agree, but I need more numbers of people to form a theory on it, like I have with Dejanira.

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posted March 04, 2017 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScandinavianCrab     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes. I used to beat myself up for thoose kind of things bit not so much in later years.
Ive got no of the placements except a stellium of personal planets in 9th house.

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posted March 04, 2017 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I would say the asteroid Dejanira aspecting personal planets or angles in close orb.

Also, I have been using the asteroid Deprez, which is said to be depression and people seem to agree, but I need more numbers of people to form a theory on it, like I have with Dejanira.


Great idea thanks!! Will look into those...

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posted March 04, 2017 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ScandinavianCrab:
Yes. I used to beat myself up for thoose kind of things bit not so much in later years.
Ive got no of the placements except a stellium of personal planets in 9th house.

A stellium in the 9H is definitely a sag placement. But does saturn aspect anything in that stellium or your sun or moon? Do you have virgo or pisces placements?

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posted March 04, 2017 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sis:

1. Do you have Sag placements??
Yes Mars, Neptune, NN in Sag in the 12th hs

2. Do you have AC in Capricorn or Sagittarius?
Yes I have asc in Capricorn

3. Do you have Jupiter in hard aspect to Saturn?
No Jupiter trines Saturn

4. Venus in Sag conjunct Saturn?
No but I have Venus in Cap opposite Saturn in Cancer


Well can you relate, do you find you punish yourself a lot and have a hard time practicing self compassion and forgiving yourself when you do something that you think is wrong?

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posted March 04, 2017 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Soulsjourney     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It sounds like low self esteem almost. I have Saturn conjunct Moon and Dsc (wider obs) and Mars in Virgo. and I am a suffer of low self-esteem, excessive guilt, and poor boundaries.

my jupiter retrograde in 12th - makes me introspective to the point of internalising everything too.

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posted March 04, 2017 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sis:

1. Do you have Sag placements??
Yes Mars, Neptune, NN in Sag in the 12th hs

2. Do you have AC in Capricorn or Sagittarius?
Yes I have asc in Capricorn

3. Do you have Jupiter in hard aspect to Saturn?
No Jupiter trines Saturn

4. Venus in Sag conjunct Saturn?
No but I have Venus in Cap opposite Saturn in Cancer


Well can you relate, do you find you punish yourself a lot and have a hard time practicing self compassion and forgiving yourself when you do something that you think is wrong?

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