posted March 09, 2017 10:14 PM            

I have Venus opposite Saturn and I've been trying to understand this part of myself psychologically. I've been trying to look for memories and reasons from childhood that cause me to be this way. I have a bad relationship with my femininity. For some reason I'm not like other girls I feel ashamed of being girly or feminine because I see it as something degrading and weak.

That of course doesn't mean that femininity is degrading or weak but my role models and influential people in my childhood caused me to have this belief imprint in my subconscious. It makes me really sad because I know that the nature of Venus/feminist is very pure and innocent and beautiful. I want to heal this. But I still don't understand why I feel this way I need some shadow work or inner child work to do.

I was thinking it would be nice if other women with this aspect could share their perspective, thoughts or experiences related to it.

Venus represents social life, femininity, sexuality, sensuality, luxury, self worth, trusting others, relationships, popularity, grace and manners, etc. Just for those that are not sure.

The nature of Saturn is delay, blockage, unfortunate, misery, karma, hard work, shame, neglect, low self worth and esteem, etc. It does not mean it's a bad planet but that is its nature and is known as the greater malefic in traditional astrology. Saturn nevertheless is an important planet to make life exciting, because what's the point of life if there are no challenges? Saturn in itzs good state represents time, structure and order, patience, tolerance. It's why it exalts in libra. It rules the skeletal system and bones.

Venus which is the lesser benefic, is the planet of joy and the superficial pleasures of life. The condition of Venus is linked with the attitude a person has related to femininity.

This is from my personal observation and experiences so far: I have seen many men with Venus aspecting Saturn and difficulty finding a relationship, they are usually shy or timid of women because of the fear of rejection. They tend to talk about or treat women like they are inferior. They tend to disrespect women and see femininity as something inferior unfortunately.

Women with this aspect tend to either disrespect their own femininity, or either so ashamed of it they do not like being feminine and prefer acting or dressing in a more androgynous way.

I find this really interesting and want to know your thoughts and opinions. If there's anything you want to add do so.

posted March 10, 2017 01:43 AM            

her venus/saturn conjunction is in a trine with her moon/jupiter in libra! so maybe that smooths things for her

she can be very strict when it comes to spending for herself, is great at saving money, etc, and she tends to scorn the rest of our family when she sees one spending too much (in her book!). she can be very stingy even though she's a sagittarius sun!

she doesn't eat right either. it's like she doesn't care much about getting enough nutrition, vitamins, minerals, etc.

about her femininity, she was hugely into makeup when she was 4-5 years old. this is something I have noticed in libra placements. still to this day she wears much more makeup than needed, even when she's alone! same thing my mom does! my parents both have libra venus and these three tend to value a lot of things I call fake, such as makeup or a lot of jewelry etc.

mind you, I am a taurus sun with cancer venus and I feel very uncomfortable with unnatural "fake" things on my body which have a weight! I prefer walking barefoot when I'm out in the nature, while my parents and my sister don't even take their shoes off when walking on the beach!

I often felt like they looked at me like I was some poor peasant to them, and they often mentioned that the way I dressed shamed them when the 4 of us was supposed to attend some party together!

lol a couple of years ago I had transit jupiter hit my natal AC which made me spend a lot on clothes, shoes, accessories, etc, and my wardrobe has now become good enough for them lol!

still my mom and sis try to push me to wear more "noticeable" makeup haha! but I don't think I ever can lol

back to my sister, she has never had a boyfriend, even though I sense that her libra moon dreams about romance often. she's 24. she has sun conjunct NN and a scorpio pluto conjunct her MC, and she's gotten into politics. her job isn't feminine at all and she works with men with "power".

she has no artistic ability either, and I find her taste in music very bad. she often mocks poetry/theater as well and heavily dismisses. when we were kids she hated her art class and always forced me to do her homework for her lol! you know how kids draw with colorful pencils or crayons? she never did! I mean never! her wardrobe is mostly brown, beige, gray, black..neutral colors. she calls me a "bag of coloring pencils" because I often dislike wearing the same color from head to toe, looking so formal. I wear a lot of pink, red, peach, green. I dislike black and brown tones especially and I own nothing in brown!
she calls my taste "childish and girly". even though I'm the older sister (by 18 months) people often assume she's the older one.

posted March 10, 2017 02:39 AM            

Natal Saturn is opposite Venus in Gemini in 7th H (along with Uranus).

I was definitely a late bloomer - felt very awkward and not very feminine in my own skin till I was about 22.

But oddly enough I dress and come off quite feminine now - I feel like its a overcompensation. Apparently Hard Venus - Saturn aspects are more common with models. In fact I've been told many times I should model - which always annoyed me, I value intellect - not vapid things like external looks. Plus I'm passed my prime now at 28.

I found this quote tho, that is reassuring:

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The positive side of a Venus-Saturn aspect is that they don’t get older–they get better. Late bloomers, they may have been plain, awkward teenagers but suddenly become beauties in their 30s or 40s. Nor do they age as harshly as other folks—they may look years younger than their peers.

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posted March 10, 2017 05:45 AM            

I have venus in gemini, square saturn in virgo (4deg) and I absolutely think you're onto something.

My whole life I have been a tomboy. At the age of 7 my parents helped lobby for me so I could join the football (soccer) team - this is before women's football was the thing it is today!

In this way, I think saturn has been that mentor - giving me the strength to challenge. I don;t see gender as a barrier - I grew up in the UK with Margaret Thatcher as the Prime Minister. Regardless of her politics, I always knew that there wasn't a job I couldn't have - and have consequently spent many years working in heavily male-dominated industries, pitching my talents against men in their own backyards in a sense.

The downside tho is that I have always been at odds with my femininity. I never fit in with the girls, preferring sports and camaraderie to sitting and chatting (but then I also have mars conjunct NN, and mars conjunct jupiter). This opened me up to bullying at several times in life, and made puberty incredibly challenging as the traditional boy-girl relationships started evolving.

I did not take well to puberty, and ended up depressed, heightened by my parents' divorce. I have never though questioned my sexuality - I have always known I was straight, despite living in a society that suggested that girls who hang with boys, play football and like getting muddy were odd and clearly homosexual. Consequently, I love that attitudes have shifted so so much in the last 15 years and now it's becoming okay to be who the hell you want, or at least in the UK.

Saturn in virgo in the 8th has meant I've also had challenges and trust issues, especially around intimacy and private (and sexual) health matters. I am not great at self care - I can be lazy and know now that when I can't be bothered to shower or eat properly that's a sign that my mental health is slipping.

I also have a history of attracting men that have reinforced my low self-esteem issues; all of them in some way having abused me or dismissed me. It is only now, after a my latest saturn square, that the fog has started to lift and I now see the errors I was making and am working on consciously shifting that weight.

But this is where growing into your saturn makes sense. Because of the natal square, saturn transits hit me twice, and I recently went through a saturn-saturn square transit at the same time as a saturn-venus opposition. There was a lightbulb moment when I realised that I wasn't being treated properly, and that my son and I would be better off single.

As a fun aside, my sun-moon midpoint is also conjunct my venus, so this timing made a lot of sense.

But this is all why I don't hate Saturn. I sometimes wish life was easier, and that I was more comfortable with my femininity - I don't wear lots of makeup because I have no clue where to even start and high heels are The Devil - but having a lot of saturn has made me a stronger character. You have to learn to work with it.

Maybe it helps that I have aqua rising, so saturn is a co-ruler of my chart, but saturn - thanks for the gift of making me work for everything.

posted March 10, 2017 07:31 AM            

I am a jupiteranian and have Pisces ascendant so jupiteranian my ruler and Jupiter is aspecting all my main planets in this order of strength: Mars, sun, moon and Venus but at a very weak trine to my Venus (7 degrees). Jupiter cannot save my poor Venus from saturn's strong 2 degree opposition.

I tried to be inspired or understand the women with a Venus in an exalted state like when it's exalted in Pisces making no aspects to Pluto or Saturn (Mars in acceptable) and even better if it's making aspect with Jupiter. I try to understand their psychology. I know I might never because it's a matter of subconscious imprint.

I thought about finding the root reason or cause from my childhood or infancy for what causes me to be in a bad relationship to my femininity. And then I wanna heal it through shadow work or inner child work.

If that's too hard or a burden, I try to consider hypnosis to hack my subconscious. I need to look more into it though to see if it can and will work.

I am fed up with my femininity problems. And I'm going through a Jupiter conjunct my natal Venus transit and Pluto square Venus. Pluto is scaring the **** of me. Because it's finally making me realize about all this stuff about my Venus my femininity and all that. Pluto brings light to things because you have to finally face those things and the dark side of it. Jupiter is there hopefully to help me heal it at the same time.

I wanted to add that I find interesting how some people mentioned Venus-Saturn makes you not care about hygiene or proper health like the food you eat and everything. It is true for me too and I think it is a result of low self worth and self neglect. I find it really sad. But since I'm a Virgo I am a hypochondriac and I try to be a vegan and find ways to be healthy. Now I think it is my Venus Saturn that makes me unmotivated to care about myself.

It is making me really emotional and sad. We must self love and somehow heal this. And it's not as easy as you think. There's some big emotional root issue lying behind our attitudes towards our femininity.

posted March 10, 2017 07:44 AM            

Spica is also on Franz Liszt's sun (maybe too wide, but still!), Georges Bizet's mercury and Sergei Prokofiev's moon. Chopin has Jupiter opposite it, and Rachmaninoff Neptune, all my favorite composers!

my venus is at 1 cancer (in my 11th) making these aspect:
square to moon (in my 9th) at 27 Pisces
biquintile saturn orb 0
sesquisquare pluto orb 3
sextile MC orb 2

I'm not sure if the biquintile is as intense as a conjunction, square or opposition, but it turns into a conjunction between saturn and venus in my 5th harmonic. I've only read that it's a good placement for artists (Picasso has it) and I would agree, it gives you patience and strength to dedicate time and energy into creative activities. I've been in many relationships since an early age which I think has more to do with my moon/venus square, and a rather prominent uranus making me quite restless (i.e. getting bored too fast!), but I have always loved my art more!

posted March 10, 2017 08:17 AM            

You want to be a girly girl?Do it!
Little by little try...
New clothes,new hair style maybe a more sweet perfume ,whatever you want...something that makes you feel warm.Listen to your body,pain attention to how you feel and not to what you think.

It is important to not change everything at the same time cuz you may feel weird,it is a process let your body get use to it.Soon you will achieve the results you want! Break the rules of your mind,if these doubts appear avoid it,sing a song..anything to forget this thoughts.
🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻
-I have venus in pisces (no contact with saturn) and yet for years I neglected my feminine side.I grew up surrounded by friends thay didn't like to be very feminine and I somehow were going with the flow until I recognized that wasn't how I wanted to be.

posted March 10, 2017 09:28 AM            

I have Saturn/Venus too and although it's a trine which makes the issues easier to process I'm not a stranger to this complex.

To put it bluntly femininity is unconditional love - for everything. And Saturn is the opposite of unconditional.

Saturn is give and take. Saturn is reap what you sow. With Saturn to accept something you have to earn it.

The true feminine essence is to give and accept love without judgement and condition and realize that this is one part of "divinity" (the other part being the masculine essence - "power" and activity, to do). Through Venus that is connected to romantic and sexual love as well as beauty and self-image. Saturn thinks of those things as "weak" and "degrading" because HE is weak and feels degraded. Through (an unhealthy) Saturn a person believes they are inherently "unlovable" and that opening themselves up to expecting love will leave them punished and degraded because they didn't fulfill their part of the deal.

Saturn issues are always early trauma issues either from the outside or the inside. We did not receive the appropriate messages and programming while we were still clear slates and therefore developed damaging ideas about the world and ourselves. Many people don't internalize the idea that they are deserving of love no matter what. Ever since we are born we are dependent on our parents' care-giving to survive. Our broken wounded imperfect parents whose love is anything but unconditional. And then we are tossed into a world of meritocracy where you have to prove and give to get.

When a person accepts the truth that love does not have a price and that love belongs to us just for the sole fact we are alive and have consciousness then the Saturn deal is complete. There is not guilt or fear associated with love anymore because we don't "owe" anything.

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posted March 10, 2017 10:07 AM            

It's about the mythology of Greek goddesses and their psychological importance for women. This one is about Aphrodite aka Venus.

posted March 10, 2017 10:14 AM            

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Originally posted by meyray:
I highly encourage people to read this article. Disregard the web-design, lol.

It's about the mythology of Greek goddesses and their psychological importance for women. This one is about Aphrodite aka Venus.

Ladies, you can check out the other goddesses as well, you may find your personal archetype, there's even a quiz.

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wow thanks a lot for sharing!

it's very insightful and well-written!

posted March 10, 2017 10:32 AM            

we just havnt heard the same philosophy cause the energy is new. they before thought you had to connect to god, not because it was right, but just cause in that age, that was all they could think up. they couldnt feel like following their heart- cause they were too mutable. focusing on the end and not the present. focusing on where they are gonna be, how to be in good spirit, how to be with god (negative axis sign). all their philosophies could only see spirit, how to be with it. i am just saying life is like a playground where we can do whatever we feel like, no laws.

we dont need caution cause we are fixed. so im saying when they had blue goggles on they did all they could. now we have red goggles, and do all you can with them. stop letting be held back. if you can think it, its reality. you can do whatever you feel like. we dont see spirit, so we dont think up how to be with spirit. even when they did wrong, they felt god was watching them, understanding them. they werent wrong. they werent disconnected from reality/ the truth. because metaphysically we are always deeply understood. but anything you focus on IS reality. it's a metaphysical fact.

posted March 10, 2017 10:34 AM            

in 2008 they did not have so much worldwide awareness on deforestation. everyone was moving at the same fast pace like nothing was wrong.

then all of a sudden, we decided the earth was being destroyed and it was so terrible. even though 5 years prior, we were moving along like it was fine. then all of a sudden we couldnt help but focus on it. like it was the end of this planet.

i know its not technology because we all used the comp just as much even in 2005.

i know it shifted because in the time of great chaos (2012-2015) i felt soooooo terrible and every day was a struggle. in this time, cops were killing people for little cause aside from they were too high strung. now barely anyone is dying unnecessarily. the time of great chaos is over. i've been watching my cells. so i know.

never before have people said they felt a great nerve of anxiety just by passing someone on the street. yet thousands report exactly that. growing up, this never happened. why thousands reporting this, no millions? even friends. even me.

i know because there are millions of animal die offs spiking in those years. look it up. whales washing up.

you want to be great, then acknowledge what's happening. this is a time only 0.05% of humans will ever go through.

only we can know what changed. only we know its possible.