posted May 08, 2017 12:11 PM            

i belive with her official birth time, her mars is in the 10th.

this may be why.

posted May 08, 2017 08:06 PM            

I don't even understand how my Mars is in 4th house, because basically the only thing I relate to is being protective of my friends and family and the anger issues (only to a degree).

No one in my immediate home environment was abusive. My brother does have anger issues though. I found out in a group therapy session with my mother and therapist that my brother has always seemed angry. Personally, I think this comes from him being independent and not wanting his freedom to be compromised. He's probably at his best when he doesn't live at home.

Before last November, I was afraid of anger, because of how I had seen my brother express it. Last November is when I had my first dose of what anger seriously feels like and I managed to avoid destroying things. After November passed, my fear of anger in general has been overcome. Violence itself is another issue entirely, but anger on its own doesn't scare me the way it used to.

Aside from my brother, my childhood has been quite normal. I don't remember my parents arguing a lot. There was no domestic abuse, no alcoholism, no violence, and no themes of aggression (except from my brother as he is aggressive at times).

This said, my emotions are intense just like yours. To be honest, I find that crying helps a lot. You just have to be careful not to overdo it and to drink enough water.

posted May 08, 2017 09:52 PM            

With all your air, perhaps you could try some creative writing.

posted May 08, 2017 10:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Lerena:
I've had the same problem. Every time I read Mars in 4th house descriptions, I don't relate to them much. Same with Mars in Cancer and supposedly my South Node is in Cancer. Am I not supposed to fall back on Cancer tendencies as "familiar" territory? I'm surprised I don't at least relate to Mars in Cancer considering my South Node's sign.

I don't even understand how my Mars is in 4th house, because basically the only thing I relate to is being protective of my friends and family and the anger issues (only to a degree).

No one in my immediate home environment was abusive. My brother does have anger issues though. I found out in a group therapy session with my mother and therapist that my brother has always seemed angry. Personally, I think this comes from him being independent and not wanting his freedom to be compromised. He's probably at his best when he doesn't live at home.

Before last November, I was afraid of anger, because of how I had seen my brother express it. Last November is when I had my first dose of what anger seriously feels like and I managed to avoid destroying things. After November passed, my fear of anger in general has been overcome. Violence itself is another issue entirely, but anger on its own doesn't scare me the way it used to.

Aside from my brother, my childhood has been quite normal. I don't remember my parents arguing a lot. There was no domestic abuse, no alcoholism, no violence, and no themes of aggression (except from my brother as he is aggressive at times).

This said, my emotions are intense just like yours. To be honest, I find that crying helps a lot. You just have to be careful not to overdo it and to drink enough water.

Another thing is maybe you'd benefit from keeping a journal of your thoughts. The self-expression involved in journaling might provide some form of relief.

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The 4th house also can represent the mother or the father depending on who you talk to, or a mix of both depending on your upbringing. Are any of your parents or both: military, or Martian dominant, or Aries/Scorpio dominant, or have significant Aries/Scorpio placements? That could also be the representation.

Personally, I had a very violent, abusive, and angry home life. However, my dad is also an Aries mars conjunct his Aries rising. So that's a telling sign as well. His mars is also in his 1st house (as you probably guessed) so he can seem like a very angry person at times.

posted May 08, 2017 11:48 PM            

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Originally posted by margym0o:
I have Cap Mars in the 4th (Neptune also) and I can totally relate to this. There were arguments every. single. day. in my house. It was my mother though, who deals with her own emotional issues (fueled by alcohol) who was the source of most of the angst. My father was always the solid and tolerant voice of reason until he was pushed to his limit. I seldom saw his temper but he definitely had one when necessary.

As a result, I would say I am better equipped to weather the storms with my partner and although upset, bounce back much quicker from a disagreement as on some level I see this is "normal" where others may not.

I would also tend to agree that being in the 4th it gives my Cap Mars a Cancerian spin, as I find myself more emotional than the average bear (but I'm also drowning in watery placements, so...).

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Absolutely. The Ic is instrumental in detailing the type of environment one may have grown up under.

Because at younger ages our parents impose conditions to us, we cannot help but be forced to adapt to them.

Soon these conditions("right" or "wrong") are internalized and feel familiar i.e "my Dad used to act like that. So i dont like people who act that way" etc.

With your Mars in Cap, energy is geared towards being the tangible "provider" i.e you may want to serve the role of someone who takes care of the familys more functional,physical needs(Cap)

You could take on the role of the disciplinarian when parenting or become the more sensible/reasoning family member. Model your father's characteristics

Neptune on the Ic suggests chaos and even alcoholic dependency. So Mars/Neptune in the same house or conjunct, are quite a handful.

Neptune on the Ic often suggests that there is a parent who is need of assistance,being "rescued" or a higher degree of patience, love and understanding. This is the more emotional aspect.

But with Cap Nep, there is some degree of detachment that is exercised with regards to the parent concerned i.e almost like you take them to be someone that regresses to childlike tendencies and should be monitored accordingly etc.

But yes,the Cancerian qualities may manifest as a concern for the family and home life too. Nothing matters more to Cancer than emotional intimacy

But at the same time with Cap there, it is not easy to touch base with emotions. It is far better and easier to supress these and deal with what is real/tangible. And that may be why the focus may be to build structural/ physical security than enter therapy and talk about emotions and feelings

The Ic may be the area of much energy focus and a sensitive point. You may sacrifice in the name of family and work a lot to uplift them.

Now the anger part may sometimes manifest as a projection to your partner or live-in mate.

It is often the case that when one family member is going crazy, the other usually takes the more extreme alternative of being calm,sensible and even-tempered (reserving their more aggressive traits until provoked) i.e like your father.

So the result may be that you find yourself either living/attracted to an angry mate. Or you could be the type of person who is touchy/sensitive,tense and prone to become volatile behind the mask of reservation(Cap)

Neptune on the Ic may also suggest that you may take on the adult role to someone whom you live with that seems incapable or helpless in some way:A person with strong Piscean attributes that can range from being very good to just very bad.

posted May 12, 2017 01:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Snow Dragon:
Mars in Cancer is a weak placement. (All of us have a weak placement). It means unhealthy sexual patterns in the family.

What you do to transcend it is bring the light into whatever darkness happened because of this placement. You have to talk about the abuse with whoever abused you in your family. And you have to accept the patters are unhealthy and not your true self. Then you will evolve and transmute it.

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I dont think is a weak placement, I think there is a lot of power and strength in emotions and someone with this placement really understands this and experiences its power first hand.

My best friend from high school and my other best friend from childhood have this placement and both grew up in a very nice home overall, witnessing a healthy marriage but I think you have a point about mars in cancer perhaps telling a story about trauma or unhealthy sexual patterns in the family.

The BF from high school did tell me a friend of the family I think of her father's molested her as a child and her little sister was molested by a guy she was dating too, he was a freemason. However, she also has moon in scorpio with scorpio rising and an exact conjunction between her mercury and nessus.

The father of my BF from childhood did have a phase were he cheated on his wife. However overall they had a solid marriage and that phase come to an end and they are still together. His brother was left at their doorstep and they raised him like their own. There is speculation that the baby was the result of a fling father had.

Another friend of mine with mars in cancer grew up with father that would beat him but he seemed to feel that it was disciplining but you can tell that it affected him even though he tried joking about it, he had issues with emotional eating and was an alcoholic.

A new person I know with this placement has a lot of daddy issues and trauma do to father hunger.

posted May 12, 2017 02:37 AM            

mars is mars, especially the cardinal ones can be pretty brutal

I have a cancer mars and whenever this person close to me with their mercury square my mars open their mouth I feel so annoyed at their voice, even though I have heard many people compliment this person's voice and even ask them to sing! mind you their mercury is conjunct their venus all exactly on the nice star of spica in libra! obviously it doesn't help and my mars still wants to get up and leave the room, or put headphones on and listen to some music when they speak (that's the cancer way to express anger I guess!)

it's the nature of mars to get angry/irritated, you can't expect your mars to cool off, you seek it through other planets/houses, such as moon, venus and neptune, even saturn works greatly in calming mars

the latest scientific researches show that the previous recommendation by some doctors and psychologists which encourage you to express your anger and not hold it in, only results in the person becoming more and more violent

posted May 12, 2017 07:40 AM            

But based on your writings, my father, bless him, has his Moon, Saturn, NN and Ascendant in Aries and both his Mars and Neptune in Scorpio in 8th. My mother is pretty scorpionic too with her Moon and Ascendant in Scorpio. Her Mars, Saturn and NN in Aries (same as my father). So we have that part covered.

No bad sexual experiences but in my upbringing, sex was not a taboo either. Not that my family discusses sex during Sunday lunch but both, my father and my mother were always pretty open with it. So in that terms the sex part is covered. Noting unhealthy really. As a matter of fact, I could always tell both of them my worries regarding sex. Well, more to my mother than my father because I'm a female so she understands some things better from a female perspective.

As far as strong and brutal and violent emotions go, guilty. Mars opposition Uranus which is flammable and Mars square Mercury so it gets really brutal. If I'm hurt, I yell and I can easily make people I love the most cry. I feel bad about it afterwards. But when I fight with my father, it can get nasty because we both don't know when or how to shut up.

In terms of dealing with it, I write. Or I sleep. Listening to music helps too. Maybe the key is channeling all those violent feelings and emotions into something else rather than screaming into someones face. Easier said than done.

And sure, looking at it and reading about it online points to Mars in Cancer being weak. A lot of it depends on the whole chart and aspects, sure, but weak, not really. Like it's been said already, at the end of the day, Cancer is cardinal sing and cardinals are not really some weaklings. They can bite when they need to. And they will if you touch something/someone they love or care about.
And in terms of expression, sure, Mars in Cancer can stumble and it won't act like Aries/Scorpio martians but if you fuel the fire, don't expect them to back down easily.