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Topic: Moon in Pisces with Neptune in Capricorn and Hihilism
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hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 7347 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted July 15, 2017 02:13 AM
I meant Nihilism! LOL Typo, darn it!Do all people with Neptune in Capricorn have nihilistic inclinations in their view of life? or is it just folks with moon in pisces and neptune in capricorn? Do you consider yourself a nihilist and is your 9th house ruler neptune in capricorn? Or do you have moon in pisces with neptune in capricorn? IP: Logged |
girlwiththerainysoul Knowflake Posts: 1485 From: Registered: Jul 2016
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posted July 15, 2017 08:23 AM
I have both a pisces moon and a capricorn neptuneJust today I was thinking how I often don't get the meaning of life I see people competing over something and going to ruthless means to achieve something and I wonder if they know something that I don't There are very few things I care about in this world I'm too sensitive to toxic people so I often try to maintain the least human contact possible too I don't think that I'm a nihilist though, because I do believe in God and an eternal life after leaving Earth IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 7347 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted July 15, 2017 01:14 PM
quote: Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul: I have both a pisces moon and a capricorn neptuneJust today I was thinking how I often don't get the meaning of life I see people competing over something and going to ruthless means to achieve something and I wonder if they know something that I don't There are very few things I care about in this world I'm too sensitive to toxic people so I often try to maintain the least human contact possible too I don't think that I'm a nihilist though, because I do believe in God and an eternal life after leaving Earth
You are definitely not a nihilist, you dont match the personality at all of the other moon in pisces with neptune in capricorn people I have met. IP: Logged |
Selenite Knowflake Posts: 1473 From: Lyra Registered: Aug 2013
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posted July 15, 2017 01:53 PM
I have nihilistic tendencies, my aries moon is in the 9th square cap Neptune. Sure i look for meaning everywhere but mostly don't find it. Also isn't a bad thing..IP: Logged |
girlwiththerainysoul Knowflake Posts: 1485 From: Registered: Jul 2016
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posted July 15, 2017 02:23 PM
quote: Originally posted by hypatia238: You are definitely not a nihilist, you dont match the personality at all of the other moon in pisces with neptune in capricorn people I have met.
My 9th house ruler is also my capricorn neptune
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Sikanda Knowflake Posts: 975 From: 28080 Registered: Aug 2015
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posted July 15, 2017 02:44 PM
If you mean by that that they go by their own particular, genuine and not always understood (even scorned) principles, I would say yes.Too many people are preocuppied with moral values, correctness, adecuacy and prejudice (because it is a fact that we, everybody judges, because we need to discern) but they go to the beating of their own drum. They judge too anyway, only in their own particular way that they don't always share with others. But the same happens to more people. Say you want to be ambitious about career, some people would think what you have to do with your life is A, B and C and nothing else to have great success. Do that, move, never stop fighting, you don't fight enough.They do it to help, because perhaps those people don't get what they have to do and could be closer to their path if they knew that. They don't appreciate being interferred like that. They think you are like a mother. Some will go long lengths due to their ambition. Not usually them (or they don't like to show it). They like to appear humble. They can be a puzzle sometimes. So meek they seem. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 7347 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted July 15, 2017 06:22 PM
quote: Originally posted by Selenite: I have nihilistic tendencies, my aries moon is in the 9th square cap Neptune. Sure i look for meaning everywhere but mostly don't find it. Also isn't a bad thing..
I didnt say it was a bad thing, it just is. I am interested in seeing if there is a correlation between this placement and nihilist ideology. IP: Logged |
Selenite Knowflake Posts: 1473 From: Lyra Registered: Aug 2013
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posted July 16, 2017 01:06 AM
Yeah, I don't think it is either. I wasn't referring to your post with that, but clarifying my stance because some people would feel differently, like if there was no meaning then there's no point in living. Definitely something I struggle with, but don't really know why it would matter in the first place. Is it like human nature or something, to want meaning other than what's in front of us?What makes you wonder if there is a correlation? I definitely know some people with Cap Neptune who aren't nihilists (yet?), and the only person I know with moon in pisces / cap neptune is nihilistic for sure. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 7347 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted July 16, 2017 02:22 AM
quote: Originally posted by Selenite: Yeah, I don't think it is either. I wasn't referring to your post with that, but clarifying my stance because some people would feel differently, like if there was no meaning then there's no point in living. Definitely something I struggle with, but don't really know why it would matter in the first place. Is it like human nature or something, to want meaning other than what's in front of us?What makes you wonder if there is a correlation? I definitely know some people with Cap Neptune who aren't nihilists (yet?), and the only person I know with moon in pisces / cap neptune is nihilistic for sure.
Exactly I am noticing a tendency for sure with moon in pisces people who have neptune in capricorn to be very attracted to nihilism, thanks for confirming one more person that fits this. I agree that we are obsessed with needing more meaning other than what is front of us and that this is not necessarily good, I get the reasoning behind that. It makes it hard to live in the moment and be satisfied with what you have, always seeking more, a deeper meaning. Its like a prison in a sense because is a type of desire, you want there to be more to it. I am totally guilty of that. Maybe there is more to it, maybe there is not but I get what you mean that it shouldn't matter, it is what it is regardless and what we have is now. IP: Logged |
TensionEmpire Knowflake Posts: 970 From: Hamburg Registered: Sep 2014
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posted July 16, 2017 10:10 AM
i read nietsche the other day, it is actually a book from 1940 with quotes form him O.overy interesting. But I also read Gustav Meyring, "das Grüne gesicht" and i believe there is something between a man and a women. 11.11 oh, i have pieces moon, cap neptune :P IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 7347 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted July 16, 2017 11:53 AM
quote: Originally posted by TensionEmpire: i read nietsche the other day, it is actually a book from 1940 with quotes form him O.overy interesting. But I also read Gustav Meyring, "das Grüne gesicht" and i believe there is something between a man and a women. 11.11 oh, i have pieces moon, cap neptune :P
Yes one specific person with moon in pisces, neptune in capricorn and scorpio rising is a nihilist but I have introduced him to the occult and astrology and he is very open to it, he is starting to believe in fate and said that maybe we are part of the ingredients to the magic. For some reason I love teaching him stuff, my sun conjuncts his northnode and my moon his southnode. IP: Logged |
Primarose220 Knowflake Posts: 768 From: TX Registered: Aug 2012
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posted July 16, 2017 11:02 PM
Hi,What exactly is hihilism? I believe in astrology, fate, and meanings, and that God does send messages. It's natural. I have a Pisces moon in the first house, my sun is in Pisces in the 1st house, and my mercury is in the first house. I have Neptune in Capricorn in the 11th house. My 11th house is ruled by Sagittarius. But my Capricorn is in the 12th house, and I have Aquarius on my ascendant. IP: Logged |
TensionEmpire Knowflake Posts: 970 From: Hamburg Registered: Sep 2014
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posted July 17, 2017 06:34 AM
Nihilism, is not so old of a term i guess. It is a side effect,a term created by man that live in a materialistic world having difficulty in understanding how society sustains itself, beeing triggered - many times by women - they indulge themselfs into putting all this mess in theyr heads together and write it down.IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 7347 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted July 17, 2017 11:15 AM
quote: Originally posted by Primarose220: Hi,What exactly is hihilism? I believe in astrology, fate, and meanings, and that God does send messages. It's natural. I have a Pisces moon in the first house, my sun is in Pisces in the 1st house, and my mercury is in the first house. I have Neptune in Capricorn in the 11th house. My 11th house is ruled by Sagittarius. But my Capricorn is in the 12th house, and I have Aquarius on my ascendant.
In the original post I explain that it was a typo. I meant Nihilism, I clearly did not mean hihilism lol. Thanks for participating! IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 7347 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted July 17, 2017 11:19 AM
quote: Originally posted by TensionEmpire: Nihilism, is not so old of a term i guess. It is a side effect,a term created by man that live in a materialistic world having difficulty in understanding how society sustains itself, beeing triggered - many times by women - they indulge themselfs into putting all this mess in theyr heads together and write it down.
IDK sweetie, I don't think is a side effect. I am thinking nihilism has existed since the beginning of time although perhaps a lot of people kept those thoughts to themselves because it could lead to getting themselves killed since essentially it meant you were questioning your faith. Although maybe the rise of technology leading to more social isolation and less connection to others is increasing nihilistic ideologies in others, maybe. It really depends too if you are embracing nihilism from a place of empowerment or from a place of feeling helpless. Like at its root is suppose to be an ideology that approached the right way can be freeing. IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Moderator Posts: 2572 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted July 17, 2017 05:51 PM
Astrologers surveyed for the book The Rulership Book by Rex Bills agreed that Pluto is the significator of nihilism.------------------ The Declinations Guy | astrologer, healer Expert birth chart rectification Rising Sign Descriptions ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ ♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓ IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 7347 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted July 17, 2017 06:03 PM
Pluto the planet of death, rebirth and fate? I would think pluto since its so aware of the cycles and its connection to reincarnation and fate would not be conducive to nihilism...IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Moderator Posts: 2572 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted July 17, 2017 06:48 PM
Nihilism is a philosphical assertion that values are baseless, and the notion that no communication (of anything of value) ever takes place. Values are under the domains of Venus and Pluto, Venus 'my' (small scale) values, Pluto 'their' (mass scale) values. "A true nihilist would believe in nothing, have no loyalties, and no purpose other than, perhaps, an impulse to destroy." http://www.iep.utm.edu/nihilism/ Pluto was not god of death, but of the dead, the underworld, and of wealth/hidden resources. Closely associated in some aspects with Shiva, the destroyer. http://www.slideshare.net/jesspilgreen/edith-hamiltons-mythology-the-underworld Saturn = pessimism, pessimists, cynics It is my view that nihilism is a product of the particularly westernized or urbanized way of life in which persons are removed from direct relationship with the foundation of values, the Earth and its vast resources. Therefore the genuine nihilist wants to destroy those things seen as obstructions to this, while claiming nothing is of value. Nihilism is not found in aboriginal cultures in which no such 'civilization' or individualism exists. ------------------ The Declinations Guy | astrologer, healer Expert birth chart rectification Rising Sign Descriptions ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ ♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓ IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 7347 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted July 17, 2017 07:38 PM
I do think social isolation and lack of connection can lead to nihilistic thinking which you associate with individualism but I associate with the rise of technology. I see pluto as the ruler of the 8th house which to me is about unbreakable bonds and attachment hence about key connections that help with our survival. Our need to connect is highly linked to our survival mechanism as been part of a tribe and married increases your chances of survival, that is why Scorpio is so possessive and cancer "needy." All the water houses to me are about connecting with others in some capacity. Nihilism is also a philosophy and way of viewing the world which fits Jupiter, the 9th house ruler and Neptune, co ruler of the 9th house. "niˇhilˇism ˈnīəˌlizəm,ˈnēəˌlizəm/ noun noun: nihilism the rejection of all religious and moral principles, often in the belief that life is meaningless." That been said I see your argument too. I suppose you can argue that a nihilist does not value life but it really depends on the person. Some people who think life is meaningless live their life to the fullest because realizing life has no value makes them value it more. I see your logic with using the word "value" to discuss this philosophy and its connection to pluto! Fair enough. Pluto after all has a more dark view of the world so nihilism fits it well, I can see that LOL....... Thanks for your input, truly appreciate it. Its making more and more sense by the minute. The planet of taxes is also the planet of nihilism. IP: Logged |
girlwiththerainysoul Knowflake Posts: 1485 From: Registered: Jul 2016
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posted July 18, 2017 05:29 AM
why don't we take a look at Nietzsche's chart?he was like the ultimate nihilist http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Friedrich_Nietzsche AC in scorpio sun opposite pluto IP: Logged |
areesquivel Knowflake Posts: 453 From: MX Registered: Feb 2016
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posted July 18, 2017 09:41 AM
I have moon in Pisces, Neptune in Capricorn and Scorpio ascendant and I don't have nihilistic inclinations actually, then again my 9th house ruler is the moon in Pisces and it's on the 5th house, don't know if that makes sense, 5th house is ruled by neptune though. IP: Logged |
PixieJane Moderator Posts: 9037 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted July 18, 2017 10:04 AM
For what it's worth, those I know who identified as Nihilists did not consider Nietzsche an actual Nihilist, though there were some shared beliefs. They saw him as more someone who was more about tearing down to rebuild with something new (and presumably better) whereas other Nihilists were more about radical skepticism that ultimately rejected all notions (as justice, morality, divinity), which they'd say was as real as the Easter Bunny. Their goal was to free themselves from the lies and passion of the world, not replace it with new values (that is, delusions) as Nietzsche wanted to do. That is, Nihilists (at least those I knew) believes there was no meaning, whereas Nietzsche believed that the hypocritical slave morality of Christianity (and alcohol) had created a toxic society and a new morality must replace it...Nihilism, in Nietzsche's view, was just a temporary tool (and inevitable result) in which society could then replace the toxic values with something better.Those I knew weren't out to destroy, either, and generally blamed morality, religion, ideology and other "false notions" to be the blame for wars, inquisition, oppression and the like (that is, it is those who claim righteousness, patriotism, and the like that are the most likely to destroy)--and in their view, Nietzsche wanted to replace the values with those that made such things even worse (that is, a cure worse than the disease), though that's not to say he was seen as having no value. That said, I'm sure there are (wannabe) Joker-style psychopaths embrace Nihilism (as in self-identify as such) and practice it in vicious ways, and maybe some kids who want you to think that's true of them (but probably get faint at the sight of blood), though the only ones I actually heard of that were truly destructive for the Russians under the Czar, but so was most everyone else around them (btw, Nihilists should not be confused with Anarchists since Anarchists typically have moral values, and also promote rules that are communally enforced as opposed to a government), and more due to social conditions than personal philosophies involved. I'm sure there are many types of Nihilists (since there are always denominations), and I just point that out if you want to look at Nietzsche's chart for indications of Nihilism. If I were to going to study the chart of someone for the "ultimate nihilist" then it would be Lydia Lunch, though to my knowledge she never identified as such (but what I've seen of her work and in her interviews strikes me as Nihilism, though if asked I could see her identifying more as an Absurdist). Unlike the Nihilists I knew, however, Lydia has a lot of anger, though understandably so given her life. I no longer associate with those who identified as Nihilist (though I do Absurdists) so I can't say anything about their chart. They were almost all artistically inclined, however. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 7347 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted July 18, 2017 11:03 AM
quote: Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul: why don't we take a look at Nietzsche's chart?he was like the ultimate nihilist http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Friedrich_Nietzsche AC in scorpio sun opposite pluto
How funny one of the person's that have moon in pisces and neptune in capricorn that I know is a scorpio rising like me and he has sun oppposite pluto too and I have sun semisextile pluto exact lol I looked at him and I am like you like me a little lol
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hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 7347 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted July 18, 2017 11:08 AM
quote: Originally posted by areesquivel: I have moon in Pisces, Neptune in Capricorn and Scorpio ascendant and I don't have nihilistic inclinations actually, then again my 9th house ruler is the moon in Pisces and it's on the 5th house, don't know if that makes sense, 5th house is ruled by neptune though.
Yes I was surprised to see this in so many moon in pisces folks and is why I started the thread but I think Kannon is right, it is a pluto thing. I think the moon in pisces folks I know with neptune in capricorn are very plutonic which makes sense because I get along really well with plutonic people. Like one of them has moon squaring Sun opposite Pluto with scorpio rising so a Luminary tsquare involving his chart ruler. IP: Logged |
Hemilla Knowflake Posts: 632 From: State of mind Registered: May 2015
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posted July 18, 2017 01:50 PM
i have all omentioned and i am....not a nihilist Not related but i like melancholy i enjoy the idea of melancholy, i am not melancholic but i just like melancholy as a concept and emotion IP: Logged |