posted September 23, 2017 01:21 AM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
I know some very nasty Scorpios some that are even on a revenge streak.

I hardly consider Scorpio innocent, being nasty or being vengeful would not make you innocent.

My sick and dying grandma is under the care of a Scorpio and Sagittarius.

The Scorpio just uses my grandma for her own personal control and the Sagittarius swears the Scorpio is pure evil.

The only sign I would consider innocent would be Virgo/Aquarius cusp or Aquarius.

An Aquarius would forgive someone 100 times before a Scorpio would ever do.

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posted September 23, 2017 01:36 AM            

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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
Did you know about the story of "Fruit of Knowledge" or "Tree of the knowledge of good and evil"?

The time they know ALL, why do you think HE expels them from the garden and thereby from eternal life?

They were considered as innocent when they have no knowledge of the good or the bad. They ruined their innocence by eating the "Fruit of Knowledge".

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posted September 23, 2017 01:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Spica:
scorpios are innocent because of the following reason:

scorpios' awareness and consciousness is mostly int he dark, facing it.

Other people are more subconscious about the corruption (non verbal communication/etc).

You are less of a victim to something that you can control than something that is controlling you.

That is why they are more innocent than others ironically.

They are aware about the dark and taboo things, about the unfairness in the world and all that. They see it. Since scorpio is ruled by mars, it is the sign of survival.

They understand what is power and they understand consciously all the power plays in society because they focus on things that others don't even question.

But to be innocent you need a combination of scorpio and pisces in your chart, because after being aware about corruption, you also need wisdom to be innocent, and that's what pisces does.

Pisces is wise because it is the sign that release you from the corruption and darkness. It's the sign of unconditional love. So despite knowing about corruption, you are not controlled by it because you know it's just out of insecurity. Pisces makes you realize that while darkness exists, darkness is not the truth but the illusion. It reminds you that light is truth. So that you are not controlled by the darkness and corruption and it's not all what you believe in.

Scorpios need pisces energy (ascendant, moon or stellium) so that they are not completely scared or only believe in cruelty all the time, so that they can have compassion for others and themselves and understanding and wisdom and not just focusing on survival and power.

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Um, I kind of get your point now.

There are three of possibilities of it.

a) They simply are aware of the darkness and fly above it like an eagle after having faced it.

b) They see through it, get comfortable with it, get attached to it and use it to manipulate others.

c) They suppress it, deny it.

posted September 23, 2017 01:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Spica:
why?

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Coz you said you're innocent.

And you have also said Scorpio is the most innocent sign.

posted September 23, 2017 03:17 AM            

We used to have one Scorpio on LL who was so sensitive over the least criticism about her sign (even as she dished out criticism on other signs, able to dish it out but not take it) that she left. And she got upset because she felt personally attacked when talking about people who use their parents and in-laws as free babysitters and labor until tossing them into an old folks home when no longer useful because she herself didn't get along with her own in-laws. It was made clear that parents and in-laws from hell also exist but the ONLY option is that all grandmothers were evil and mothers like herself were completely in the right to treat her terribly. That's not brave, healthy, or a sign of strength, resilience or innocence.

I would say very few Scorpios are that bad, but enough of them are. And I wonder if Spica is one of them.

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Coz you said you're innocent.

And you have also said Scorpio is the most innocent sign.

Going by that logic, your Sun sign should be Scorpio, 1+1= 2.

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posted September 23, 2017 03:26 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
I would not call that innocence, they simply didn't know anything.

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Yes, they didn't know anything, well, NO, they knew that they were a husband and a wife, they knew every animals that created and were in the garden, they knew every trees including that forbidden tree "the Tree of Knowledge" that produced "the Fruit of Knowledge", BUT they didn't know ALL, they didn't know SIN or EVIL (guilt, crime, lust, etc).

That's the earliest meaning of innocent: having no knowledge of evil things, sinless. (The story is the closest example I know)

Nowadays, of course, it becomes varied at meanings depending of the circumstances/situations (for example: in a crime scene, he doesn't do the crime, so he is considered as the "innocent" man) but if you refer to the person without any circumstances she/he has, I still give the reward of pure innocent person to a new born baby or the young children who doesn't know about EVIL things in this world. (Nowadays)

Some child/teenager/adult, well, simply, people who have LESS knowledge about some specific evil things NOT because the less knowledge they have about good things, NAIVE is the prefect word to describe them.

posted September 23, 2017 04:08 AM            

where is your mercury... your post are so hilarious and full of depth... never stop impressing me.

as for innocense, I guess that the OP has a very personal view of what innocense is. Teasel suggested resilience, I would say "ingenuity".. i am not English native, so i may miss the nuances of a work in english, but innocence is not the capacity to see dark and remain pure.. probably "purity" would be a more suitable definition

now to a theory i have about self-proclaimed good people... any time I cross path with a person who claim to be "victim" of some unclear/ undefined evil out there, while they are so innocent and good, has shown to be the most egocentric-selfish people i have ever met. they include a recent SCORPIO colleague, but it has not to be scorpio or any other sign. what i see in these people is lack of self-awareness. they tend to project all the evil and are so UNAWARE of their own. they even get surprise when you point that out. they look at you all offended but will never make the effort to analyze themselves and see if by any chance you have a point. i have met mature people with that characteristic and the sad part, they never change because the problem is outside themselves in their view... so they just complained about the outside world not even noticing their own projections.

I do not know Spica well, so I cannot say, but when I read a thread "how good heart I am while others are evil", just remind me of the people i described above. maybe she is struggling with spirituality versus her dark side (and sometimes the integration of all part of personalities start with projecting those dark sides to be able to see them) she is young, so it is normal that in the 19-20 you are just about starting to know herself. my advice: look inside rather than outside...

posted September 23, 2017 04:14 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
There are plenty of Scorpios that can't handle their own darkness. (Linda Goodman talks about what happens in that case.) They can be very scared of the dark and refuse to face it, especially if it's within themselves.

We used to have one Scorpio on LL who was so sensitive over the least criticism about her sign (even as she dished out criticism on other signs, able to dish it out but not take it) that she left. And she got upset because she felt personally attacked when talking about people who use their parents and in-laws as free babysitters and labor until tossing them into an old folks home when no longer useful because she herself didn't get along with her own in-laws. It was made clear that parents and in-laws from hell also exist but the ONLY option is that all grandmothers were evil and mothers like herself were completely in the right to treat her terribly. That's not brave, healthy, or a sign of strength, resilience or innocence.

I would say very few Scorpios are that bad, but enough of them are. And I wonder if Spica is one of them.

In addition, that thread on innocence talked about how it sounded as if she was projecting her dark side because she couldn't face it within herself, so that this comes off as a thinly disguised refutation of that. It had to be a new thread because otherwise there'd be pressure to face the points brought up in that thread (be it about shadow sides or how incongruous it was that she talked about her own innocence and ease of forgiveness while also talking about the corruption of the rest of the world and how she hated the type of people that she thought was almost everyone other than herself, which sounds like some serious projecting of aspects she can't acknowledge in herself in addition to just sounding plain contradictory), but here it can be as if those points were never made.

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posted September 23, 2017 04:20 AM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
Pixie Jane,

where is your mercury... your post are so hilarious and full of depth... never stop impressing me.

as for innocense, I guess that the OP has a very personal view of what innocense is. Teasel suggested resilience, I would say "ingenuity".. i am not English native, so i may miss the nuances of a work in english, but innocence is not the capacity to see dark and remain pure.. probably "purity" would be a more suitable definition

now to a theory i have about self-proclaimed good people... any time I cross path with a person who claim to be "victim" of some unclear/ undefined evil out there, while they are so innocent and good, has shown to be the most egocentric-selfish people i have ever met. they include a recent SCORPIO colleague, but it has not to be scorpio or any other sign. what i see in these people is lack of self-awareness. they tend to project all the evil and are so UNAWARE of their own. they even get surprise when you point that out. they look at you all offended but will never make the effort to analyze themselves and see if by any chance you have a point. i have met mature people with that characteristic and the sad part, they never change because the problem is outside themselves in their view... so they just complained about the outside world not even noticing their own projections.

I do not know Spica well, so I cannot say, but when I read a thread "how good heart I am while others are evil", just remind me of the people i described above. maybe she is struggling with spirituality versus her dark side (and sometimes the integration of all part of personalities start with projecting those dark sides to be able to see them) she is young, so it is normal that in the 19-20 you are just about starting to know herself. my advice: look inside rather than outside...

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That isn't what I was calling resilience, either. it was simply the part about seeing and experiencing things, but not crumbling underneath them. Half the time, I don't qualify.

posted September 23, 2017 06:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Spica:
I want a Scorpio' opinion on what I wrote about them. Tell me if it resonates with you or not.

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I'll answer as a Scorpio asc if you'll take it. My sun is opp asc tho so there's a lot of dialogue and sifting that goes on for me with this axis

I feel very vulnerable inside so my scorpio asc is doing its defensive thing - hiding, secretive, observing etc. But because I am so conscious of the need for these protective measures I'm necessarily aware of my vulnerability.

Is that then my sun or moon that's vulnerable or Scorpio itself that's the seat of fragility? It could be intrinsic to Scorpio because I get insecure about my sun sign and Scorpio steps in as if it's covering all bases. Could be that tendency is intrinsic to the asc purpose and it's just that the nature of those defences is scorpionic.

But anyway, I can kind of see there's something possible about being innocent and therefore needing these barriers. Thinking of the fig leaf and the shame .. The act of covering is a consciousness of lost innocence. Awareness of darkness etc. In the technical definition of innocence there's lack of knowledge, of awareness but in some ways there's innocence contrasting with darkness, an innocence *felt*. That second bit is what I can identify as Scorpio because ... It's like being new in the split world of darkness and light. But this round is consciously innocent. As Scorpio asc the sense of being split is very present .. There might be darker or more thought out tendencies but I do oftentimes feel they are necessary when navigating a world and not feeling equipped to do so.

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Reading your post I see it's more innocence in terms of .. Not being corrupt that you're thinking about. I think Scorpio can be very loyal and resist temptation (for another objective) and can kind of see what you mean that being within darkness, you purify yourself too?

I've come to terms with a lot of darkness in myself .. Because sometimes I've made my own power traps i.e my darkness brought it on myself and have had to find a way out of them. honestly a lot of those traps was thinking I was innocent and reinforcing that by being a victim until I eventually couldn't bear it anymore, got angry, felt my darkness. I understood then that I was trying to be light, to not be dark but for dark reasons. Consciousness of self .. Appearances, wants etc is something I think makes Scorpio want to architect a complicated maze initially to expose others but especially when gets caught in its own web to force that out of itself but first is enthralled by, only in different guises. Once i cared less about being good or bad (for xyz reasons and caring involves reasons and reasons involve desires) I realised I was a better person than I had ever been.

posted September 23, 2017 04:33 PM            

It's true that I am insincere with others but not too much. It's probably because of my libra moon and Venus. I tend to be really polite and nice when I meet someone. I hate making others feel bad about themselves except when they're being fake. I become like a kid when I'm around them or interacting with them. Like there's this 8 year old girl I babysit and I don't act like an adult or strict around her because I can't do it. I'm more like her friend, I am more patient and understanding simply because all kids are no ******** people. When she talk to her mom about me she must have said something about me because her mother told me that her daughter trusts me because in her words "there's an innocence to me", because usually she doesn't trust anyone.

Because in my life many times I've been made fun (not bullied btw it was nothing serious) for being too naive and innocent especially when I was little by other kids but it would make adults love me and find me cute for it. I'm not stupid or retarded in any way. I know it's definitely because of my Pisces ascendant. I'm also too straightforward in an innocent way and sometimes it pleasantly surprised people that they don't have to put a superficial image with me anymore because I have no shame related to honesty especially about simple things.

I hate the amount of standards in society related to what's appropriate and not. People take it way too seriously.

I change according to who I'm around. If let's say I'm in a place full of older close minded people and there is a lot of superficiality and inauthenticity I would withdraw and play along if I had to. But usually I try to interact as less as possible because I hate being fake.

If I'm around a no ******** person and/or innocent person, I naturally like them, I enjoy being around them.

Maybe it's because I have these two aspects in me. Superficiality and innocence. And I'm trying to take the side of my innocence but I'm not comfortable enough to be it because my outside circumstances are not mirroring and validating the innocence in me.

Many times I do something with passion and pure heart and mind. I get hit by something painful, my innocence is taken away because of those people. But after an experience like that the way I react is by realizing that they were wrong for being corrupted like that, and I had every right to be innocent because I was the authentic one. I was happy. I have no reason to feel ashamed.

It's probably because I'm around really close minded people that always invalidate me. It's the stuck up completely self unaware projecting people like my mother.

By the way I have mars in Scorpio in my 8th house, making an exact square with Jupiter.

posted September 23, 2017 04:50 PM            

Like when for example I see actual racism happening (whether online or in real life but it's rare) like usually sometimes if you didn't update your bus card or lost your ticket they let you in anyways and usually few times when that happened with me the bus drivers are nice and let me in anyways. But there was this single black father who was holding his little baby and his ticket just expired probably by 30 min. or something and the bus driver didn't let him enter. It made me feel so sad. I can't tolerate stuff like that around me happening and just by watching it traumatized me and I can't forget about it and it bugs my mind (it's probably linked with my mental OCD). I think too much about the unfairness and stuff like that out there is the world and feel traumatized by it and imfind it too cruel. I don't understand why people are like that.

Another time I saw a couple bullying this guy because he probably had a crush on this girl and the guy was bullying him while the girl just giggled. That poor guy was like someone shy and kind of an outcast. If I was that girl I would horrible and tell the boyfriend to stop and make that guy feel good about himself and try to be as polite as I can. It's so cringeworthy to imagine being in a situation like that btw.

About the empath thing when you see cruelty around you; others just don't care about stuff like that usually or get over it quick and they don't care because they don't have to be in their shoes. But all this really bugs me because I have idendiety issues. I have a very weak identity. Because of this I'm a huge empath and whatever tha happens around me becomes me. For example whatever someone is going through I go through it too. So whenever there is pain or unfairness or cruelty around me happening I feel traumatized just like the one who is actually must be feeling in that situation.

When something makes you hurt, it's because it means that what is causing you that is something wrong, not right by god's will. It's not the wrong or right in terms of even moral but god's will.

Because my 1st house ruler (chart ruler) Jupiter is in the 12th house. So I have a very weak sense of identity and I'm an extreme empath. And it's a curse I hate it.

I used to be able to channel a positive or happy person's identity/energy in me but I can't find people like that around me anymore because I think I've become the most authentic now or one of the most authentic. So I can't find anything better than that around me that' why I feel like this empath ability (more like disability) in me is dragging me down. And it left me feeling depressed and frustrated.

It's my Pisces ascendant and also my ascendant ruler situated in the 12th house. It sucks I hate it.

posted September 24, 2017 03:29 AM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
Pixie Jane,

where is your mercury... your post are so hilarious and full of depth... never stop impressing me

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A bit late...I saw the thread earlier but saw too much and and decided to come back later, but then I forgot it. And if I don't answer now then I'll probably forget it completely. (And thank you! )

I have 3H Libra Mercury with my sun and a stellium (Venus, Saturn, and Pluto), right on the Scorpio cusp as my sun and most of my planets are in either Libra or Sag (that is, very close to Scorpio, and also have a Scorpio Jupiter). This is sextile to my 5H Sag (one aspect being the philosopher) stellium (moon, Mars, Uranus, Neptune), and I'd say it's where my humorous side comes from. I used to think that my fiery Mars-Uranus (plus moon) made me more bold about expressing myself than most Libras (the Leo ASC and 5H would help out here as well), but I've encountered and learned of other Libras more outspoken (and far more harsh) than myself with placements I'd think would make them calmer.

One of them includes "Judge Judy" whose chart I'd think would make less assertive than me, including a Libra Venus and Mars to go with her sun and Mercury, and a Pisces moon. (Her chart ). I doubt she was ever as wild and tomboyish as I used to be (okay, Sag humor there with the blonde Yang, and I was used to being called a tomboy, often with some criticism about it, but I just shrugged it off--and I only meant for the first short skit to be shown, though Roman Torchwick right after with his scams and legal service would be torn apart in a court of law and publicly humiliated by Judge Judy ), but "Judge Judy" has a lot less patience and diplomacy (relatively speaking) than I do. But who knows how I'll be when I reach her age?

Btw, I've often explained my conflicting stelliums like this:

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And, just for fun, my Sag energies will now explain how on my bad days this is how my Libra/Scorpio tends to treat them:

And my Sag responds to my Libra/Scorpio energies:

Luckily, I think I've found a way to balance the energies to prevent that vicious circle of inner conflict so most days are good and I say my aspects (how I am inside) now get along like this (most of the time):

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posted September 24, 2017 03:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini30:
Innocent my ass.

Almost all the scorpio/plutonic people I know are the the worst. Deceptive, manipulative, unreliable, liars, no accountability, and just downright mean.

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THIS!

I am dealing with the wrath of a Scorpio whom has mars/pluto conjunct in scorpio no less.

posted September 24, 2017 06:41 PM            

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posted September 25, 2017 04:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini30:
Innocent my ass.

Almost all the scorpio/plutonic people I know are the the worst. Deceptive, manipulative, unreliable, liars, no accountability, and just downright mean.

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posted September 26, 2017 03:10 AM            

As mentioned in my earlier post my Aunt who is a Scorpio sun uses my grandma (who is in dying health) for control and to get things.

Anyway I'm the only one in the family not afraid to deal with her. Blame my Taurus aspects for having loyalty to my grandma after she took care of me when I was younger.

Everyone else avoids my Scorpio aunt.

I get a text from the "Scorpio"
saying please visit your grandma soon.

I arrive there thinking its an emergency,
as soon as I enter the door my aunt starts asking me for a favor.

I'm thinking this has nothing to do with her health you just called me for her own reasons under the pretext that grandma was in an emergency.

I notice it but play along anyway since I'm the only other person beside my Sagittarius uncle to have access to my grandma.

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Originally posted by Gemini30:
Innocent my ass.

Almost all the scorpio/plutonic people I know are the the worst. Deceptive, manipulative, unreliable, liars, no accountability, and just downright mean.

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Hence the saying "Stung" by a Scorpio.

Geminis normally can see it and handle Scorpios when they are.

Trust me I've roasted a Scorpio ASC coworker and a Scorpio Sun coworker, through wit and logic, both female thought. I think a male Scorpio would be an ongoing battle.

Scorpio sucks at that because there use to "there way only".

When you prove there way is wrong and everyone else agrees, the Scorpio gets more resistant and they just destroy themselves.

There are some good Scorpios but the bad ones are really bad.

Explain to me how there innocent in that sense?

Calling a Scorpio Innocent is like calling Hurricane Maria a little bit of wind!.