posted October 09, 2017 05:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
[b]Pop Royalty

To support my argument that Madonna is a Gemini Ascendant, I will use the marriages of Michael Jackson. Using the same methodology, I will review Madonna's two marriages, then finish by examining her relationship with Carlos Leon, her first born's father.

Michael Jackson

For years Michael Jackson's tob was a mystery. Upon his death his mom gave a time which revealed his Asc to be Pisces. Michael Jackson was a Virgo-Pisces, Pisces Asc. Thanks to the "synastry method" this tob can be verified independently.

Michael's first marriage was to Lisa-Marie Presley. Lisa Marie is an Aquarius-Pisces, Leo Asc. At time of their marriage Michael's pMoon was in Gemini - not making a connection to either Lisa's nSun or nAsc. OTOH, Lisa's pMoon was in Pisces. Here is was in conjunction to Michael's nAsc - thus, pMoon conjunct nAsc.

Michael's second marriage was to Debbie Rowe. Debbie Rowe is a Sagittarius-Libra, Asc Unknown. At time of this marriage Michael's pMoon was in Cancer. Otoh, Debbie's pMoon was in Pisces, here is was in conjunction to Michael's nAsc. Thus, pMoon conjunct nAsc.

Madonna

Madonna was born on August 16th. For those of us with basic numerology knowledge, 16 is the number of Neptune. Neptune is the god of illusion and mystery. Much the same way a Pisces Asc will be mysterious, same way a person born on the 16th will be mysterious and unfathomable.

Madonna is Leo-Virgo, Asc [Gemini]. Her first marriage was to Sean Penn. Sean is a Leo-Cancer, Sagittarius. At time of their marriage Madonna's pMoon was in Virgo. In Virgo is made a conjunction to neither Sean's nSun in Leo, nor his nAsc in Sagittarius. OTOH, Sean's pMoon at time of their marriage was in Gemini...

Madonna's second marriage was to Guy Ritchie. Guy is a Virgo-Taurus, Asc Unknown. At time of their marriage Madonna's pMoon was in Aries and not in aspect to Guy's nSun. OTOH, Guy Ritchie's pMoon at time of his marriage to Madonna was in Gemini, same as Sean Penn. So, pMoon conjunct nAsc.

This demonstrates an attraction to men with pMoon in Gemini. With her nAsc officially unknown, by process of elimination, this reveals her natal Ascendant as Gemini.

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woaaaah

so when i get married my husdbands moon should be in leo ?my asc

posted October 10, 2017 04:49 PM            

She's a revolutionary, a pioneer. She paved the way to all those pop artists who sing and dance trying to shocking people, they're imitating her.

Lourdes is a Scorpio mooner, identical to her mother, her moon would be placed in Madonna's MC. This girl totally changed her mother's career when she turned from the Material and Sexual girl to a spiritual and alternative mother in her fantastic Ray of Light era, when Lourdes was a toddler. During her pregnancy something was changing in her inner side. Truly Plutonian, and everybody could see that. Reinventing herself all the time.

posted October 10, 2017 05:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Mariamne Mara:
Come on! A Virgo AC does not spend her whole artistic life half naked on a stage!
That only could give her a Scorpio MC, sex sells and none as her to promote that. So only and Aqua AC who spends her life shocking people can do that. Involved in gay community supporting them, Aquarius essence.

She's a revolutionary, a pioneer. She paved the way to all those pop artists who sing and dance trying to shocking people, they're imitating her.

Lourdes is a Scorpio mooner, identical to her mother, her moon would be placed in Madonna's MC. This girl totally changed her mother's career when she turned from the Material and Sexual girl to a spiritual and alternative mother in her fantastic Ray of Light era, when Lourdes was a toddler. During her pregnancy something was changing in her inner side. Truly Plutonian, and everybody could see that. Reinventing herself all the time.

Aqua AC and Scorpio MC. Just my two cents.

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posted October 10, 2017 06:05 PM            

She's totally Gemini Asc.

Marrying a man from far away and moving there to live with him. A wide circle of friends, moving an living abroad. Before London, she had an apartment in Spain.

posted October 11, 2017 06:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
^^Also agree about Virgo Asc. Too shy to be so out there.

She's totally Gemini Asc.

Marrying a man from far away and moving there to live with him. A wide circle of friends, moving an living abroad. Before London, she had an apartment in Spain.

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I'm Spanish and a Madonna's big fan and never knew she had had an appartment here. She has bought a house in Portugal recently. But in those years before Guy RItchie time even previously, she never had a house in Spain.
She has collected a lot of houses through USA's territory: Los Angeles, Miami, NYC...but never (if I'm not wrong) in Spain. I should've known that lol.

I don't know if that compulsive attitude towards possesions is due to her Mars in Taurus which would be reflected in her 3rd house in her chart if we take into account the Aqua AC. (The AC I bet for her).

posted October 12, 2017 01:20 AM            

I remember her saying, **this is my favorite place in the world...when I kill myself this is where I'll do it...SIKE! - I love life.**

posted October 12, 2017 04:12 AM            

She is too fixed of a person to have Virgo ASC and her sexuality seems very Leo/ Scorpio to me - raw, intense and over the top. Plus her similarities with Lady Gaga who is also a Scorpio AC.

And Madonna has changed her look/ appearance many times - like a external transformation of the Scorpio death correlation.

posted October 12, 2017 07:52 PM            

Madonna would have Venus in the 3rd house - beautiful words. She's a songwriter as well as singer.

posted October 18, 2017 07:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
I believe it was during the filming of "Take a Bow". She was doing an interview for MTV.

I remember her saying, **this is my favorite place in the world...when I kill myself this is where I'll do it...SIKE! - I love life.**

Then the interviewer said interview was conducted at her home in Spain.

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posted October 18, 2017 11:54 AM            

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Originally posted by vertiver:
I'm gonna say Scorpio Rising which if it is early Scorpio - Neptune would conjunct her ASC.

She is too fixed of a person to have Virgo ASC and her sexuality seems very Leo/ Scorpio to me - raw, intense and over the top.

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I would tend to agree. I've encountered Virgo influence Leos, Gemini influenced Leos and Scorpio influenced Leos.

Leo's with Gemini influences tend to be more like Jennifer Lawrence types.

Logical, goofy, carefree and can laugh about it later.

So that rules out Gemini ASC.

Leos with Virgo influenced tend to be calculating, logical but they have some modesty.

I was originally thinking Madonna was a Virgo ASC but that would make her "take a step back "from things

So that rules out Virgo Asc.

I know a Leo Scorpio Asc and what you described sorta fits her. I'm still trying to figure out her orientation.

Lol, were both eccentric but in different ways. I'm more of eccentric engineer type person shes more as you described vertiver.