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SoulOfABird
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posted November 01, 2017 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoulOfABird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I was in school I found it hard to make friends. I did have at least one good friend throughout my childhood and teenage years. I tend to make one close friend vs a bunch of friends. If I talked to kids at school sometimes they would talk to me but didnt seem to want to hang out with me. I dont think Im mean. My teachers would always tell my parents I was sweet. But I just was not good at socializing. The thing is, I would notice other girls at school who had the same birthday and year as me, or a few days away from mine and they socialized more easily. Had a lot of friends was well liked. I knew 3 other girls in my grade with the same birthday as me! They all were more outgoing than me, or had a lot more friends than me. Since they had the same birthday and same year youd think we'd be so similar.. but they seemed so different than me. Why would they be different than me when we have the same natal charts for the most part. I mean for crying out loud I have an Aquarius rising lol. So why is this? I thought Pisceans were like me but a lot of them seem to be different from me. Especially in interests. So can someone tell me if there is a reason for this? Why are they so social and well liked? While I am a shy and quiet type with not many friends who stood to myself? Even this other girl whose birthday was only 6 days after mine was different. Also a Pisces and evem though she was quiet in class she had lots of friends and was more social.

What is your experience with this ans what makes a person more introverted?

Me:
Pisces Sun
Aquarius moon
Pisces Mercury
Pisces Venus
Libra Mars
Aries Saturn
Aquarius Jupiter
Aquarius Uranus
Capricorn Neptune
Sagitarrius Pluto

Those people had the same exact chart or maybe a different moon ^^^

My more personal aspects (including birth time)

Aquarius rising
Aquarius stellium in the 12th house (Moon, Uranus, and Jupiter)
Neptune in the 12th house {29¡Æ Capricorn}
Pisces stellium in the 1st (Sun, Mercury, Venus)
12th house stellium
1st house stellium

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posted November 02, 2017 02:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tofu addict     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you post your chart, that would be helpful,
Your 12th house stellium , that will tell al lot

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posted November 02, 2017 02:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoulOfABird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Tofu addict:
Can you post your chart, that would be helpful,
Your 12th house stellium , that will tell al lot

But a 12th house is the only indicator of an introvert?

Here's my chart vvvv

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posted November 02, 2017 06:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScandinavianCrab     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes the 12th house/pisces/neptune mathers alot.

Me and my closest friend have both 12th house mars and we are both some what introverts and loners. Except when we are drunk

You are highly neptunian/piscean and I love your Moon/Jupiter conjunction. (i have myself a 9th house stellium and I just love Jupiter-influenced people. Most of them feels like family to me.)

I would believe that you have a very beautiful mind and vivid imagination. Your Pluto/mc conjunction i believe also makes you a very interesting person. Pluto on angles can be scary for non-plutonian people and may have played a part in your history.

Since you are a very young person i would advise you to stay away from drugs and find an creative outlet for your beautiful soul.

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posted November 02, 2017 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SimplyLuna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know how you feel. I see my peers able to make friends with people and maintain friendship. This isn't me even if I tried to be mindful of others or change things.

I think the time of birth makes a drastic difference even if it is on the same day because the angles, planets and sign fall into different house cusps.

When I think of loners, I think of various definition of it.

I have Neptune on the descendant and this can make me a follower. Who wants a follower? lol it sucks when your sun is in Aries. Mars conjunct Neptune can make me feel lazy, even to go out and socialize.

Probably some may not agree, I also think having Uranus and Aquarius can make someone a loner too even if that person can be social because of feeling outcasted, unique interest or not tying to one set of friends. (generally speaking)

I think there's many more placement that can indicate loners by action/choice/what you feel, etc.

Your chart has moon in 12th house. I remember this can make you feel misunderstood and invisible. With Venus in the 1st, do you often care what people think of you? Looking at other stuff in your chart, you have some lovely placements.

Moon/Jupiter
Aquarius rising (I love them -- one of the rare ascendant)
Sun in the 1st
Eros conjunct Asc (I read this can make you sexy haha)

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I like to add i have a friend who has moon in 12th house and she isolates herself and pops back out of no where from time to time.

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posted November 02, 2017 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep, Pisces and 12th house - recipe for someone who enjoys the peace of solitude.

As for the other kids like you - probably different houses + asc.

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posted November 02, 2017 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for diamondbaby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon in the 12th house in my opinion. I know multiple people with this placement and they are all loners.

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posted November 02, 2017 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mars in 7th
Saturn in 7th
Uranus in 7th

Mars in 11th
Saturn in 11th
Uranus in 11th

Saturn-Venus
Uranus-Venus

Moon-Saturn
Uranus-Moon
Mars-Moon

Chiron in 11th
Chiron in 7th

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posted November 02, 2017 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This whole “loner” thing feels like it has a lot of stigma around it :-/
I’m a “loner” for the simple reason that I cannot deal well with some people and their issues in a detached way. I can smell it from miles! I also don’t really need verbal communication to fill my soul because to me there’s much more to life than ping-pong myself in a social setting. I think a lot, feel a lot and wonder a lot and I will come forth when good and ready
I don’t have any problems making friends though and can be the clown of the party when I want to.

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posted November 02, 2017 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
11th house is the friendship house and your 11th is ruled by Saturn which spells limitations and difficulties in being popular. If you make a friend thou, it usually lasts for a long time

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posted November 02, 2017 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would say 12th house planets, in general, and particularly Saturn in the 12th house. Also, the asteroid Kaali conj the ASC or MC can indicate a loss of energy around people, so the person may want to escape.

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posted November 02, 2017 09:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mine ^_^
i guess it's the Aries moon square Uranus
and the Scorpio Venus on the IC
...plus Pluto in the 4th

Scorpio NN in the 4th square Leo ASC?! = loner

and maybe Saturn in the 7th...

+ BML in the 10th?

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I talk to many, many random people, all the time, and I usually start the conversation, but I usually go out and come home alone, and never see those people again. there's only a few (right now only 1 person) who I share my life with o.0
I think it's partly this city - it sort of makes you invisible, and I don't really have time for a bunch of close friends...

when i was growing up, I had an extremely tight group of friends but we all moved to different places, and no one i've met comes close to any of those people. i'm starting to miss having close friends though, maybe when i move to that small town.. ^_~

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posted November 02, 2017 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoulOfABird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Selenite:
mine ^_^
i guess it's the Aries moon square Uranus
and the Scorpio Venus on the IC
...plus Pluto in the 4th

Scorpio NN in the 4th square Leo ASC?! = loner

and maybe Saturn in the 7th...

+ BML in the 10th?

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I talk to many, many random people, all the time, and I usually start the conversation, but I usually go out and come home alone, and never see those people again. there's only a few (right now only 1 person) who I share my life with o.0
I think it's partly this city - it sort of makes you invisible, and I don't really have time for a bunch of close friends...

when i was growing up, I had an extremely tight group of friends but we all moved to different places, and no one i've met comes close to any of those people. i'm starting to miss having close friends though, maybe when i move to that small town.. ^_~


You don't sound too much like an introvert though. Im not one to start a conversation. Im not goos at it and I dont talk to random people. I have Moon conjunct Uranus which should indicate a lot of friends right? Not true in my case. I also am content doing things by myself (:

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posted November 02, 2017 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoulOfABird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ScandinavianCrab:
Yes the 12th house/pisces/neptune mathers alot.

Me and my closest friend have both 12th house mars and we are both some what introverts and loners. Except when we are drunk

You are highly neptunian/piscean and I love your Moon/Jupiter conjunction. (i have myself a 9th house stellium and I just love Jupiter-influenced people. Most of them feels like family to me.)

I would believe that you have a very beautiful mind and vivid imagination. Your Pluto/mc conjunction i believe also makes you a very interesting person. Pluto on angles can be scary for non-plutonian people and may have played a part in your history.

Since you are a very young person i would advise you to stay away from drugs and find an creative outlet for your beautiful soul.


Thank you so much 😊 You seem like such a kind person. Wow its funny because someone else on here alsk mentioned my Moon conjunct Jupiter! I guess people say it's a good aspect. I worry though a bit about that because Hitler also had that aspect 😬. But thank you so much for your knowledgable input! It makes more sense why Im a loner! I used to dislike being introverted and quiet but now Iv owned up to my individuality. But when I was in school, it wasnt wast easy for me socially. Your words made me feel better. I think I use music as a bit of an "addiction" and use it to enter an ulternate universe in my head, so someone else mentioned as a high. But I have stay completely away from drugs(: kids at school would smoke weed and stuff but I didnt like that stuff so I definitely plan to keep away hehe

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posted November 02, 2017 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoulOfABird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
Yep, Pisces and 12th house - recipe for someone who enjoys the peace of solitude.

As for the other kids like you - probably different houses + asc.


Wow that's crazy how much of a difference house placements can make!

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posted November 02, 2017 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
You don't sound too much like an introvert though. Im not one to start a conversation. Im not goos at it and I dont talk to random people. I have Moon conjunct Uranus which should indicate a lot of friends right? Not true in my case. I also am content doing things by myself (:


Haha, i mean, i always have needed mostly solitude. I didnt used to start conversations with people, But over time figured out ways to be social while giving hardly any of myself. Which, doesnt bode well for close relationships, but I kind of like it better that way.. I think with the square i am constantly rupturing intimacy to maintain the distance..

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posted November 03, 2017 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, about your first post, i think it is really the moon-uranus why you feel so different. There is a reason that it's hard for us to make friends - we don't have the same social filter as people without moon-uranus. Theyre conflicting interests, moon is concerned with emotions, empathy and reception and uranus is ideals, freedom at all costs, specifically at the cost of emotions. So when we talk to people, instead of empathizing in a way that facilitates closeness, we end up saying something that ruptures the closeness, because our ideas and principals are more important. (Not always, but often enough to prevent close relationships, unless the other person is similarly detached).
That's just what i've noticed. It's also the little things, like if someone is trying to be funny and theyre not, you can't even fake smile. You're not able to pretend to care about anything, or express social niceties if you don't mean them, without it seeming really forced and weird, and so you can never work customer service jobs or retail without problems, or at parties, you can't pretend like youre having a good time, just to be social, etc.

the solution for me was to find real reasons to care & be more tolerant in general but before that, i always alienated myself by accident

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posted November 03, 2017 12:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoulOfABird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Selenite:
Also, about your first post, i think it is really the moon-uranus why you feel so different. There is a reason that it's hard for us to make friends - we don't have the same social filter as people without moon-uranus. Theyre conflicting interests, moon is concerned with emotions, empathy and reception and uranus is ideals, freedom at all costs, specifically at the cost of emotions. So when we talk to people, instead of empathizing in a way that facilitates closeness, we end up saying something that ruptures the closeness, because our ideas and principals are more important. (Not always, but often enough to prevent close relationships, unless the other person is similarly detached).
That's just what i've noticed. It's also the little things, like if someone is trying to be funny and theyre not, you can't even fake smile. You're not able to pretend to care about anything, or express social niceties if you don't mean them, without it seeming really forced and weird, and so you can never work customer service jobs or retail without problems, or at parties, you can't pretend like youre having a good time, just to be social, etc.

the solution for me was to find real reasons to care & be more tolerant in general but before that, i always alienated myself by accident


Hmm 🤔 I think that may be a different aspect that causes that. Like I mentioned in my original post, these people who have a lot of friends have the same birthday as me, also same year so we have the same chart. Just most likely a different birth time. But still they will habe the same planetary aspects as me. So people born the same day as me also have moon conjunct Uranus. So that cant really indicate a loner when they have that aspects and have lots of friends. Thats why I asked this questiom because Im lost as to why Im different, which now I think I understand that it's probably my 12th house placements. Also even though I have moon-Uranus aspect, I dont see myself as acting like I dont care. Or not caring about feelings.. I actually giggle a lot at any jokes people make even if I dont find it funny because I dont want them to be embarrassed. Or I giggle at a joke someone makes to break awkward silences. Maybe I giggle too much lol. But that's usually how I respond in these types of situations. Also I may be detached but I think more in a way where Im difficult to get close to. I cant open up to many people so maybe I can come off aloof. Im thinking maybe Im too boring. Im not much fun to be around like some people are so to them they rather make friends with others. As I am not so easy open up. I talk more with my family and sometimes make them laugh lol but Im not fun. I also feel the need to keep conversations going or be more outgoing when I dont want to, but I feel like I have to be that way. Otherwise, I probably wouldnt say anything a lot of the times but I dont want to them to think I dont care, if that makes any sense.

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posted November 03, 2017 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hearttreasure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
12th house/Pisces

I have mars in 12th house and venus in Pisces.

Teenager and in college I was a loner (I am a total loner in college, my focus was all how to get out from the university fast as I got bored with the system, I graduated fast with no socializing and made few good/weirdo friends who liked to spend their time at the library lol), but within times and experiences I have learned to be outside a little bit, to make friends and hang out a lot (backpacking for two years, in various organizations, and a lot of activities with friends). But then I realize that "loner" is still part of my being, I know it comes from the 12th house, it needs charging. Now I'm back being a loner. lol

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posted November 03, 2017 01:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoulOfABird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Selenite:
Also, about your first post, i think it is really the moon-uranus why you feel so different. There is a reason that it's hard for us to make friends - we don't have the same social filter as people without moon-uranus. Theyre conflicting interests, moon is concerned with emotions, empathy and reception and uranus is ideals, freedom at all costs, specifically at the cost of emotions. So when we talk to people, instead of empathizing in a way that facilitates closeness, we end up saying something that ruptures the closeness, because our ideas and principals are more important. (Not always, but often enough to prevent close relationships, unless the other person is similarly detached).
That's just what i've noticed. It's also the little things, like if someone is trying to be funny and theyre not, you can't even fake smile. You're not able to pretend to care about anything, or express social niceties if you don't mean them, without it seeming really forced and weird, and so you can never work customer service jobs or retail without problems, or at parties, you can't pretend like youre having a good time, just to be social, etc.

the solution for me was to find real reasons to care & be more tolerant in general but before that, i always alienated myself by accident


At what age did you start to initiate conversations?

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posted November 03, 2017 01:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoulOfABird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
12th house/Pisces

I have mars in 12th house and venus in Pisces.

Teenager and in college I was a loner (I am a total loner in college, my focus was all how to get out from the university fast as I got bored with the system, I graduated fast with no socializing and made few good/weirdo friends who liked to spend their time at the library lol), but within times and experiences I have learned to be outside a little bit, to make friends and hang out a lot (backpacking for two years, in various organizations, and a lot of activities with friends). But then I realize that "loner" is still part of my being, I know it comes from the 12th house, it needs charging. Now I'm back being a loner. lol


Wow that's awesome! You know a few close friends who hang out at the library are the best type of friends to have! The few friends I did have in school would probably considered "weirdo" or just regular friends. Very plain(didnt wear makeup) and focused on school work. Although I wore makeup(probably due to my 1st house venus) I Prefer those kinds of friends. For a while I wanted to hang out with the popular kids. I wanted to be outgoing and the type of person everyone wanted to be around but that wasnt me. Now that Im older Ive come to appreciate it! I actually am okay with being an introvert and have found good traits of being one. Im glad I stood away from the popular kids and hung out with kids more devoted to school who stood home on the werkends. I really havent ever liked hanginh out with people my own age. I actually enjoy hanging out older people more. I always have fun with my grandparents! (: lol

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posted November 03, 2017 01:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol, yeah I guess from your other placements (especially Venus in the 1st) it makes sense that you're sweeter. I have Mars in Virgo in the 1st square pluto and BML so.. Yeah.
Also you have the conjunction not the square... Those people with the same birthday might not have the conjunction as close, who knows, but they probably don't have the same ASC or houses, as others are saying. And the detachment you describe does sound like a 12th house thing.
I started making conversation with random people, in a way that feels more genuine, about 3 months ago on the eclipse, when my boyfriend moved across the country. And i'm 22. Funny cuz those eclipses were on my Mars in the 1st, and i believe one was on my DC.. And everything really has changed

I get what youre saying about wanting people to know you care but I think the right ones will just let you be yourself without making you feel like you have to act a certain way. Why would they assume you don't care just because you don't do what they expect? But then again stuff like that has always puzzled me

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posted November 03, 2017 02:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tofu addict     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
You don't sound too much like an introvert though. Im not one to start a conversation. Im not goos at it and I dont talk to random people. I have Moon conjunct Uranus which should indicate a lot of friends right? Not true in my case. I also am content doing things by myself (:


Talking about your Uranus, it is the ruler of your first house, but in 12. The ruler of the first house in 12 indicates that your outgoing energy is ingoing, more reserved , focused on the inner instead of the outer, afferent peronality.
Also the Jupiter, the co ruler of the first house is in 12,

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posted November 03, 2017 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Member     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn in 1st house
Chart ruler in 12th
Hekate in 7th house

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posted November 03, 2017 09:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for moongaze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
- Moon in the 12th house, especially in Pisces
- Saturn in the 11th house

I have both placements and I am a major loner. The good thing is that I don't mind it at all now. In fact, I welcome it. I'm super introverted, I suppose.

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