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racole12
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posted November 30, 2017 01:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for racole12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 30, 2017 01:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for racole12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just got out of a relationship with someone who has Sun, Moon, Venus, Merc, and Mars in the 12th (with that Mars in Pisces)... with his Merc squ Neptune... Saturn and Pluto in hard aspect to the Sun and Moon and ASC. all I can say is never again. There is no way I will ever allow myself to get close to another Male with all that energy. Lying all the time, mind games, confusion, constantly trying to control me and the relationship... he kept on saying, "if you would just let me save you..."...I was close to him for over 18 months and I STILL have no clue who he is. Our relationship mirrored a relationship between a person with a Narcissistic Personality disorder and a co-dependent. (I'm the Co-dependent). He would constantly tell me to initiate and invite him to stuff but if I did that he would get ****** and tell me to back off... he was the first one to say, "I love you"... and at the end of the relationship (which I was in the hospital) he told me, "I never loved, cared, wanted you"... he told me I forced him to tell me he loved me (which I never did... I was shocked he said it). He wouldn't take responsibility for anything... at the end I was starting to walk on eggshells around him, throwing up from anxiety right before I saw him b/c have having no clue what to expect from him, and could never get him to have a deep conversation... he would go from one extreme to the other with his moody swings and how he treated me. I honestly was scared of him at the end b/c I had no clue what he was going to do next... b/c I'm so tolerance to abuse it took me a while to catch on... he was completely closed off to anything mystical/spiritual, completely closed minded. I'm a quiet person... people tell me I don't talk enough (and he is quieter than me) and he would give me the psycho look and tell me to be quiet all the time... ohhh... so happy I'm way from that circus.

BUT, great musician and teacher, great at performing... great at wearing a mask to the world and people believing it.

There is always a positive or negative to everything... but, I'm done with heavy influence of Pisces, Neptune, 12th house guys. lol.

I have never been so confused in my life and I have Sun conj Neptune, MC in Pisces, Moon in the 12th in aspect to Neptune, and South Node in Pisces.... So, I know the energy well... lol.

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posted March 18, 2023 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Clementine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, I just read this and am amazed by how you described this house! It couldn't be better explained. Well done!!! Thank you so much for your comment. It shed a light on something so deep within us. Some say the 12th house plants mean karma that cannot be forgiven! At least not in the present life where these planets are confined there. I think that what you've said about redeeming yourself or some areas of your life related to the plants and signs of the natal 12th house is the better way to pay your debts and clean the mess made in previous reincarnations.

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The 12th house is the hardest to define and summarise. The 12th house is not the house of retreat into a private world that some think it is. That would be the 4th.

Yes, it does represent jails, prisons, and hospitals -- compartments of individuals who have been unable to manage things individually but are at least temporarily absorbed into a subset of the whole. That can be as much a celebrity whose life puts them on display as anyone in prison.

The 12th house is the eastern portion of the sky just above the horizon, the place of sunrise. This house can frame up [b]service to the public, even if it is entertainment or artistry, government or medical/health services. The problem is that astrologers who do not understand its potential role in reincarnation processes will treat it with linear thinking like a box. The 12th can be where talents (or karma) previously developed but unfulfilled can play out to fulfilment or conclusion. This conclusion is essential, for the 12th is a house of endings.

Then some have such 12th house placements because of pure karmic debt. You'll see this often in public servants, elected officials, etc. The 12th house itself is not about power -- found elsewhere, but it can relate to how power was used in past lifetimes and a person's duty to correct it (karma).

In the most mundane situations with we ordinary (non-famous) people, the 12th facilitates connection and unity with the whole -- as creator, as spiritual development, as a charitable volunteer -- in which we go beyond ego limitations to develop as part of a whole, rather than as isolated individuals. So it can seem very hard on the ego or beneficial, depending on how the person handles it. If nothing else, it can increase sensitivity to the world at large, whether the person is an artist, philosohper, or religious devotee.

Mental health is also a big theme for many with 12th house placements. Yet it may be indistinguishable from spiritual perception. This is because the 12th house holds the theme of the ending of duality of self vs all else.

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posted April 02, 2023 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 04, 2023 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spacecadet42420     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I’m sitting here with a natal Scorpio Mars, Pluto, Mercury and Nessus in my 12th house watching you all praise it because you don’t understand it.


Mars makes me irrationally angry, nightmares, i have PTSD, i over think
Mercury doesn’t allow me to take anything at surface level, i must think it to death, to the point of delusion
Pluto makes my mind a dark and depressing place

Pluto is associated with power but it is in my 12th house, i’m powerless


Clearly none of you know what it’s like to experience mental pain so severe that it effects you physically. I weigh 90lbs. I can’t eat, I can’t sleep, every morning i’m jolted awake with a raging heart and for up to two hours i suffer and gag from anxiety and stress

I have a good diet, I have a good routine, healthy amounts of exercise. I have virtually no worries.
But no, the 12th house, my mind, my subconscious, is ruined and tainted and insufferable because of the presence of pluto.

Even a positive planet like Venus or Jupiter, when present in the 12th house is detrimental.
Pisces, and Neptune, the rulers of the 12th house, is DELUSION, FANTASY, delirium.

Your best chance at life is to have an EMPTY 12th house, this has been true for centuries.


I can’t stand you “love & light” astrologers who make everything sunshine and rainbows. What about me? What about people like me? Every sunflower sunshine astrologer cowers when they see a chart like mine, no one’s ever there to advise or give insight. Because you people don’t know true astrology. You think you’re so enlightened and understand the houses/planets whatever better than the craft itself which has been around for thousands of years.


I want you all to be so ******* for real right now. I’m baffled to see so much misinformation about such a malefic house. It’s because you have the blessing to not have experienced true darkness. It’s the same reason why every edgy wannabe person is desperate to have 8th house placements.

Be serious!

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posted April 04, 2023 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Late 25 Aries-11 Degress Gemini is my 11th house. I really seem to enjoy 12th house season.

I have really been tapping into my intuitive abilities since having Uranus here. I notice so many omens, signs, synchronizes, been recognized more for my astrology readings too. And even realizing I have a twin flame. I started talking to dead relatives too and getting signs instantly after talking to them. I pay attention to angel numbers now. Today I saw 111, 222, 333, and I feel like the 221 I saw means something too. I heard 7777 in a song I listen to too.

Mercury Taurus is also my ruling planet.

Mercury, NN, and Venus are in my 12th house right now too.

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Kannon McAfee
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posted April 04, 2023 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would not equate goodness with the outer appearances or performances offered up by celebrities. Have you taken a look inside their private lives? I haven't much either.

But I agree that the 12th house is not the doom and gloom some portray. This even shows up in variations of Vedic astrology that label the 6th, 8th, and 12th houses as 'malefic.' Nonsense. Parts of the sky are not malefic. They are phases of a process of in mundi rotation. A planet like Mars or Saturn is understandably described as malefic to the degree people have not mastered their energies or have experience the worst of them astrologically. It is a real challenge to master the Martial energy. Same with Saturn.

I've long tired of people's moanings about their 12th house placements. I have never moaned about my Sun and Saturn in the 8th house or about the long-term transits going through my 6th house. My aim was always to understand, and to understand well enough to be able to articulate them in a meaningful way.

If you use your astrological chart as an affirmation of victimhood or a negative outlook, then there's your sign ... if what you haven't yet learned. There's no point in following astrology at all if you are going to use it as a negative affirmation of any kind.

Assume there is purpose. Assume there is meaning you may not yet see. Assume you placed yourself into this relation with the sky and planets. Assume you knew exactly what you were doing when you chose that birth chart.

About the 12th house, I would like to point out that in the context of in mundi rotation (Earth's constant turning) the Sun moving over the eastern horizon (Asc) into the 12th marks the beginning of the day. It flips on the light for the objective world and energizes activities with external aims. The nocturnal phase of more inward activity has ended and now it is time to be a part of the social/objective world again.

So for someone with Sun in the 12th it infers that a new phase of all that internal/subjective development is being put to use now in the outer, objective world. It is the most profound shift in the movement of Sun or planets around Earth (from geocentric perspective). So it is not necessarily an easy change from what the native may've been experiencing in prior lifetimes, but it is due. Time to be again unified more fully with the objective world and make your contribution to it. The rest/sleep is over. It is a kind of waking up to self in the world.

What I think happens is that many 12th house natives get a bit overwhelmed by being a seemingly little insignificant individual in the larger world, feeling vulnerable, or inadequate to measure up. Those are not characteristics of the 12th house, but human responses to the challenges of it in a process of development. Those kinds of feelings are pronounced in those with less self-esteem who need to build it up.

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posted April 09, 2023 02:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for plutonianmenace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a Sun, Venus, Mercury, and Chiron in the 12th house. Looking back at it, I was voluntarily the loner growing up but at the same time, I didn't want to get involved with the kids I was growing up around. Many of them did not have big ambitions and I often retreated to the world of the internet. Come to think of it, my happiness in youth was on internet forums and on the online world. Come to find that very access to knowledge would get me out of the poverty stricken town I grew up in and away from my abusive parents.

In a way, I feel like life dealt me such a tough hand with an abusive father, tough environment, and hard youth that my retreat was in privacy. Even now, I have been through so many toxic coworkers and seen such awfulness in humanity that I don't waste time on pointless crap like Happy Hours.

However, I feel like at its best, us 12th house people can laugh at the stupidity of others who are in a given group we are in and almost dissociate with that group.

I feel like our true gift is that we can find options and ways to make the best of a situation we are given. We dissociate so much from common society that we tend to see it from above instead of being more hands on. We tend to understand people better and almost avoid their mistakes because we get a higher view from above.

Looking back at it, some of my classmates listened to old conventional wisdom about their career from their parents. Life would not let me do that. I feel like something drew me to the internet and to research alternative paths and I lived a happier life for it. Like as rough as life got and was for me, I had some invisible Guardian Angel who was leading the way and pulling me in the right direction.

I also feel like I get a lot of Deja Vus. Like I imagine something in my head about a situation with a particular kind of person and a year or years down the road, it freaking happens. It is the weirdest thing!

It is almost like my own dreams predict my future for me. Like I think about it and daydream off and before I know it, a year or years later, I am there.

I also feel like I see trends happening and predict society will be a certain way and it almost ends up like it is that way. Point being remote work and how it took off and how I realized that people were not going to get married with kids at 25 as often as they used to. Like I almost get this inkling feeling in me around how certain things will play out in society in the future and they almost always do.

It's not politically related, just more socially related.

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