posted November 26, 2017 03:57 PM            

Another example: if Lady Gaga is a Gemini rising (most likely), then that would have meant her 12th house in Taurus will be activated during this upcoming Uranus in Taurus transit. Bigger things coming her way publicity wise? Who knows.

I'm sure there are other celebrities with similar transits around the time of their fame.

Transits aside, natal 12th house placements seem to be pretty helpful too. Have you ever noticed how many HUGE celebrities (actors, singers, politicians, royals, socialites, etc) alike have plenty of major 12th house placements? Particularly, I have noticed that having Sun in the 12th and/or Saturn in the 12th is the most common amongst celebrities. Venus in the 12th is also pretty common.

I don't know, you guys. I just feel like the 12th house is not all as doom and gloom as some like to make it seem. Again, that might be because I'm Pisces midheaven, so I naturally find the good in Piscean attributes (especially related to the career lol).

I just don't think the 12th is so pessimistic. I think that is just what some people who couldn't handle the POWER and PASSION that a 12th house placement gives would say. I see a lot of complainers like that on this site and other astro forums...Pisces is the last and final sign of the zodiac, as the 12th house is the last and final house of the zodiac. This means that it contains immense power and knowledge that can and SHOULD BE discovered in the 12th house holder, but, unfortunately, some people are just not strong enough to handle all of that and they often come off as those who are quick to blame everything bad in their life on their 12th house placements....I've seen this happen with 8th house placements too. Seems like the 8th and 12th house get a lot of unnecessary slack in the astrology community, when they have proven to give GREAT results to many of their beholders. Maybe you guys just don't know how to manifest your full 12th/8th house power yet? IDK.

So what is your HONEST OPINION on the 12th house astrologically? As in, don't just repeat what some other negative nancy astro blog or video said about the 12th house. If you don't liket he 12th house, then I'd like that to be from your own personal experience, not what someone else read out loud to you. What do you TRULY feel about the 12th house? This can include your own natal placements, transits, synastry, etc... Anything is welcome, as I am simply just very interested to hear what anyone else has to think about this topic, as all I can ever read about the 12th house online is a bunch of pessimistic mumbo jumbo that is extremely generalized and fatalistic (along with the 8th house but we're not talking about that yet).

posted November 26, 2017 04:49 PM            

Simply put I think the 12th house is divine, unconditional love and the home of the soul.

It is the most connected to the universe, and the multiverses (or God, if you're religious.) It is everything that is not part of the material world.

It is a transdimensional house. One foot in the material world, one foot elsewhere, in another world, in other universe, or to the place where we go when we die, be it another dimension that is immaterial and boundless, or even heaven.

As for the 12th house and Pisces = delusions/lies. I think that positvely, Pisces, and strong 12th house influence in general, if they LEARN, could potentially be the sign that can actually see what's REAL more than any other.

posted November 26, 2017 04:51 PM            

I’m scorpio rising and my 12th house was really activated during last months during transits and also by progressions (just had progressed new moon in libra, also progressed stellium in libra) and again i had to deal with the same stuff mentioned above. it’s like being forced to dive into really deep, but calm, almost dead-like dark water to face your deepest fears and not be able to do anything about it, just to experience it. like confinement or forced retreat.

posted November 26, 2017 05:12 PM              

It's a house where we rest from the outside world, similar to the 4th house. It's a resting place house.

posted November 26, 2017 06:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
I think that it's a complex house, not good or bad.

It's a house where we rest from the outside world, similar to the 4th house. It's a resting place house.

It's a house of healing and reaching out for a higher power.

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posted November 26, 2017 06:09 PM              

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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
That's a good way to put it!

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posted November 26, 2017 11:20 PM            

Yes, it does represent jails, prisons, hospitals -- compartments of individuals who have been unable to manage things individually, but are at least temporarily absorbed into a subset of the whole. That can be as much a celebrity whose life puts them on display as anyone in a prison.

The 12th house is the eastern portion of the sky just above the horizon, the place of sunrise. This house can frame up service to the public even if it is in the form of entertainment or artistry, government or medical/health services. The problem is that astrologers who do not understand its potential role in reincarnation processes will treat it with linear thinking, like it's a box. The 12th can be where talents (or karma) previously developed but unfulfilled can play out to fulfillment or conclusion. This conclusion is important, for the 12th is a house of endings.

Then there are those who have such 12th house placements because of pure karmic debt. You'll see this a lot in public servants, elected officials, etc. The 12th house itself is not about power -- that is found elsewhere, but it can related to how power was used in past lifetimes and a person's duty to correct it (karma).

In the most mundane situations with we ordinary (non-famous) people, the 12th facilitates connection and unity with the whole -- as creator, as spiritual development, as a charitable volunteer -- in which we go beyond ego limitations to develop as part of a whole, rather than as isolated individuals. So it can seem very hard on the ego or very beneficial, depending on how the person handles it. If nothing else, it can increase sensitivity to the world at large, whether the person is an artist, philosohper, or religious devotee.

Mental health is also a big theme for many with 12th house placements. Yet it may be indistinguishable from spiritual perception. This is because the 12th house holds the theme of the ending of duality of self vs all else.

posted November 27, 2017 01:40 AM            

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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:

So what is your HONEST OPINION on the 12th house astrologically?

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I only can talk about my natal Mars in 12th house. I'm not that aware about the transits, so I can't talk about the transits.

My honest opinion on the 12th house is: it is a hidden place for the energy of what planet you have in there, people can't see it but only the 12th house planet. My Mars is in Sag, it's supposed to be, like, a wild Sag Mars description you can find, but no, I may relate to it but I don't act like that in regular basis as sometimes it is a hidden energy. I have so much peace when in touch with spiritual world, but like I said, it is hidden that no one can see what I am doing (Mars). It can be a misunderstood house for my Mars as people think I don't do aggression or even angry or stand up for myself, like, a Sag Mars will do. I do, but I have different methods how to deal with it and not everyone can understand it.

It makes me really aware of what my Mars capable of (good or bad). Very patient dealing with life/people too secretly although may break down several times in hidden. People can't track down my actions (Mars) which I think it's a good thing if you are a private person who do not like other people dictate your life and you want pursue your own goal. One of my psychology friend told me that she can't read my actions and she thought I am a Pisces as my venus is in there (which I have found exalted sign gives me much trouble for my own self not necessarily to other people though).

It also gives me a lot of empathy and sympathy to my actions. I just can't do wild and reckless actions as I can see every steps I choose with my actions through another dimensions.

posted November 27, 2017 02:17 AM            

I experience the "bad" parts of this house from time to time - more so when I was younger and just beginning to figure things out, but it's still there. It creeps up on me when I have nightmares, increased anxiety, symptoms of past PTSD episodes, and inexplicable guilt that causes a depression so severe that I isolate myself from the entire world. I still hesitate to categorize this house by those traits though, because I do think that a majority of my reactions to certain negative events has very little to do with my birth chart.

The positives are numerous, and present every day. Saturn is an innate part of my nature. It's there, and impossible to avoid. I never wonder what the "right" choice is. With very few exceptions, I can rest peacefully knowing that I have given everything that I have to give, every day of my life. (The 12th house is probably the *most* compassionate and self-sacrificing house, IMO.) Responsibility comes naturally. Hard work is a given. It does feel like that which resides in the 12th house can easily be taken for granted, because once mastered, it seems like it's as innate as one's own intuition. It's not something that I have to pretend to be or remember to do - it's just there, merged effortlessly with my personality, but not always visible for everyone to see. My closest friends are surprised that once they get to know me, I'm much more serious and somber than my goofy Gemini Moon persona would have them believe. Underneath the jokes and silliness, Saturn is running the show.

I've also noticed that it's difficult for me to relate to anyone who I can't see the same paradox in.

posted November 27, 2017 02:47 AM              

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
The 12th house is the hardest to define and the hardest to sum up concisely. The 12th house is not the house of retreat into a private world that some think it is. That would be the 4th.

Yes, it does represent jails, prisons, hospitals -- compartments of individuals who have been unable to manage things individually, but are at least temporarily absorbed into a subset of the whole. That can be as much a celebrity whose life puts them on display as anyone in a prison.

The 12th house is the eastern portion of the sky just above the horizon, the place of sunrise. This house can frame up [b]service to the public even if it is in the form of entertainment or artistry, government or medical/health services. The problem is that astrologers who do not understand its potential role in reincarnation processes will treat it with linear thinking, like it's a box. The 12th can be where talents previously developed but unfulfilled talents or karma can play out to fulfillment or conclusion. This conclusion is important, for the 12th is a house of endings.

Then there are those who have such 12th house placements because of pure karmic debt. You'll see this a lot in public servants, elected officials, etc. The 12th house itself is not about power -- that is found elsewhere, but it can related to how power was used in past lifetimes and a person's duty to correct it (karma).

In the most mundane situations with we ordinary (non-famous) people, the 12th facilitates connection and unity with the whole -- as creator, as spiritual development, as a charitable volunteer -- in which we go beyond ego limitations to develop as part of a whole, rather than as isolated individuals. So it can seem very hard on the ego or very beneficial, depending on how the person handles it. If nothing else, it can increase sensitivity to the world at large, whether the person is an artist, philosohper, or religious devotee.

Mental health is also a big theme for many with 12th house placements. Yet it may be indistinguishable from spiritual perception. This is because the 12th house holds the theme of the ending of duality of self vs all else.

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posted November 27, 2017 03:06 AM            

I disagree with OP's statement that some people just aren't strong enough to handle it. Strength is a concept of ego, which the 12th house works to dissolve. If you believe that the 12th is about strength, maybe you haven't learned the lessons the 12th is trying to teach you.

I see it mostly in my day-to-day life. Friends aren't hard to come by, but they are certainly hard to keep as my own life circumstances seem to constantly pull me onto a path that I don't see many others walking.

I agree with Kannon in that you'll see strong 12th placements mean most will lose their sense of ego in favor of service to a greater cause - to be absorbed into something greater. I reconcile this with celebrities by pointing out that nobody knows the real personalities of the famous. We see their personas. They sacrifice their sense of self and privacy to the paparazzi in order to spread a message and provide a public service.

Almost nobody will know Rihanna's or Lady Gaga's favorite color or favorite restaurant. Fame like that means isolation which is a huge theme in the 12th house. The struggles of the 12th are hidden which is why we see celebrities living the great life and rarely see the struggle.

I have Saturn in the 8th house, and it actually trines my N.Node in the 12th. Saturn in the 8th isn't as horrid as most articles would lead you to believe. Yes, it causes late bloomers in whatever house it resides. Yes, it places a lot of restrictions in the areas of shared accounts and actions. But, it provides discipline and grit in those areas as well. When Saturn trines another planet, you can certainly expect the perseverance to see the challenges presented through to the end. I'm off on a tangent now haha.

posted November 27, 2017 10:48 AM            

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Originally posted by TheMusician00:
My N.Node is in the 12th, and from my experiences it's not a bad house at all.
Confusing, sure. Boundless, definitely.

I disagree with OP's statement that some people just aren't strong enough to handle it. Strength is a concept of ego, which the 12th house works to dissolve. If you believe that the 12th is about strength, maybe you haven't learned the lessons the 12th is trying to teach you.

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I think you definitely need strength and power for the 12th house, as you do all of the houses. The only difference is that the strength and power needed for the 12th house is on a more spiritual level of how powerful your mentality is, rather than how strong and powerful you can be physically. To put it this way, how can you possibly dissolve an ego that wasn't there to begin with? How can you reform your emotional and spirituality into something that can be reciprocated into the public for the greater good and "togetherness" if you have very menial emotional input and spirituality to begin with? That is just what I meant and is why I think some people absolutely cringe at the thought of their 12th house placements. They are quick to assume the 12th house is the cause of their innate problems and mishappenings with emotions and spirituality but I am not a very fatalistic astrologer when it comes to such terrible things. I think it all begins with you being more real with yourself and then, from there, you must work your way to take charge of the many amazing things the 12th house has to offer...

In my opinion, the 12th house is the greatest house as it completes the circle of the zodiac/houses and therefore encompasses all of the passion and power from the other houses/signs and uses it to sort of explode into something even greater than what it already was. I feel that some people simply cannot handle this type of INTENSE spiritual and metaphoric transformation, which is why the 12th is often trashed quite frequently. The 4th house, the 8th house and the 12th house are all about transformations on varying levels. Imagine like the Earth we walk on and the universe above.

The 4th house transformations are much more Earthly and mundane, and therefore people understand these clearly and efficiently. You are a servant of the Earthly and homely things and all of that in which they have to offer. They can get through these transformations because they are so PERSONAL.

The 8th house is like a step up the Earth. Not necessarily out of the solar system, but still up in space. You go through a sort of life-or-death transformation. You are a servant of the taboo that tethers between the Earth and the unknown. Some people can handle these transformations.

posted November 27, 2017 10:51 AM            

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Originally posted by TheMusician00:
My N.Node is in the 12th, and from my experiences it's not a bad house at all.
Confusing, sure. Boundless, definitely.

I disagree with OP's statement that some people just aren't strong enough to handle it. Strength is a concept of ego, which the 12th house works to dissolve. If you believe that the 12th is about strength, maybe you haven't learned the lessons the 12th is trying to teach you.

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I think you definitely need strength and power for the 12th house, as you do all of the houses. The only difference is that the strength and power needed for the 12th house is on a more spiritual level of how powerful your mentality is, rather than how strong and powerful you can be physically. To put it this way, how can you possibly dissolve an ego that wasn't there to begin with? How can you reform your emotional and spirituality into something that can be reciprocated into the public for the greater good and "togetherness" if you have very menial emotional input and spirituality to begin with? That is just what I meant and is why I think some people absolutely cringe at the thought of their 12th house placements. They are quick to assume the 12th house is the cause of their innate problems and mishappenings with emotions and spirituality but I am not a very fatalistic astrologer when it comes to such terrible things. I think it all begins with you being more real with yourself and then, from there, you must work your way to take charge of the many amazing things the 12th house has to offer...

In my opinion, the 12th house is the greatest house as it completes the circle of the zodiac/houses and therefore encompasses all of the passion and power from the other houses/signs and uses it to sort of explode into something even greater than what it already was. I feel that some people simply cannot handle this type of INTENSE spiritual and metaphoric transformation, which is why the 12th is often trashed quite frequently. The 4th house, the 8th house and the 12th house are all about transformations on varying levels. Imagine like the Earth we walk on and the universe above.

The 4th house transformations are much more Earthly and mundane, and therefore people understand these clearly and efficiently. You are a servant of the Earthly and homely things and all of that in which they have to offer. They can get through these transformations because they are so PERSONAL.

The 8th house is like a step up the Earth. Not necessarily out of the solar system, but still up in space. You go through a sort of life-or-death transformation. You are a servant of the taboo that tethers between the Earth and the unknown. Some people can handle these transformations.

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posted November 27, 2017 01:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I am gonna write an article to answer this question, in my opinion.

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posted November 27, 2017 01:29 PM            

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:

I see the 12th in a purely magical
sense. It's non tangible. The dreamworld.
It's Cinderella before the clock strikes
12 o'clock. Those areas in which are
incomprehensible to most- who are most
'logical'. Anything that 'seems purely fantasy'
would fit in 12. Astral realms outside the 3rd density. Other lifeforms might be seen within the 12th. An activated 12th might show indicators of themes like these and otherworldly encounters, which the human mind isn't able to relate so easily. Secrets locked in the back of the mind. Those we intuitively may know, yet dare to deny until they emerge from the depths of darkness.
Possibly even the junk DNA we hear so much of could be stored in the 12th.

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posted November 28, 2017 09:56 PM            

I love the 12th house and i would never want to leave it, it's the only place i'll ever feel happy in, it's the only place i have ever known.And it's filled with wondrous fantasies, infinite love, feeling at one with everything( which is great), bliss,a connection to the higher things etc. And i am pretty sure that's because of my moon and venus being there. Which makes me really enjoy solitude too, makes me crave it, and crave all the 12th house stuff.

But the sun and mercury and saturn there don't sit well with me.

When it comes to the sun being there ( it's also i aqua i might add), it makes me not have an identity, not feeling like a person, feeling completely indifferent to myself ( i guess because my sun is conjunct moon that's why i am refering so much to feelings), i feel like i just wanna be an abstract concept and like regardless of how many qualities i might have i will never just feel proud of myself or like appreciative of myself, which having sun conjunct moon is something i miss i think.

As far as mercury goes, i feel like all things mercury have been the issues in my life that have caused me the most pain, but also mercury is opposite chiron and conjunct saturn so naturally it's terribly afflicted. In the sense of the 12th house i guess i've noticed i don't really think logically, i think in symbols and impressions, my thoughts feel like they're not my own, they are someone elses and i never know what to say and am extremely insecure about what to say because of it, saturn has it's hands on this though, neptune and saturn is like the worst combination ever...and my mind is just a mess of me being in la la land and second guessing myself.

posted November 29, 2017 12:07 AM            

if you have a prominent 12th house, you find it easier to get in touch and truly believe in the possibilities of a much better place, a heaven of any individual which is so vast it can cover the whole universe and so many more multiple numbers of it;

although, with this type of connection, you may also find that you are required to keep silent about the most of it, for various reasons,
but mostly because it is your own sanctorum, and there is no need for the whole world to hear about it, as everybody is required to believe in, find a way to, and eventually create their own

hence comes the often need for solitude, or dedicating life to the arts, which serves as a service to the public, but also speaks symbolism and concepts/images; the language of Neptune, charity and compassion
or, a love of sleep, if that't the place you can connect

posted November 30, 2017 12:07 AM            

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@girlwiththerainysoul

Nicely put. And I like your description of their sanctum.

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thanks!