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posted December 27, 2017 02:48 PM            

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https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/milan-ross-vegan-chef-apos-143640910.html

^^^
This is a very sad news, this famous vegan chef and motivational speaker shot his estranged wife and his two 2 small, gorgeous children to death last night. He killed his 11 years old son only 90 min after taking a lovely video of them together singing a Christmas song and posted it on facebook.

I looked at his chart and there it is -
He is an early Capricorn Sun and he has a natal Grand Cross in cardinal signs and TR Saturn, freshly rolled in Capricorn, just triggered his entire Grand Cross.
He has an exact Pluto 2'Libra opposing Mars 2' Aries, squaring early Moon in Cancer and Sun in Capricorn.
TR Saturn is activating them all at once.
He is currently held in jail since yesterday. He is obviously in an emotional shock right now.

I'm getting very, very wary of men with natal close Mars-Pluto bad aspect. Men with this aspect have been in the news quite a lot lately.

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posted December 27, 2017 03:21 PM            

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Thanks for sharing Orange! How Sad .

Damnn a motivational speaker kills his wife and kids, talk about ironic.

I felt the urge to make a Vegan joke but will not go there.

I feel lately Saturn is taking the spotlight way over Scorpio. Saturn threads all over the place and I totally get why. I keep going into every one of them after Saturn hit my luminary t-square all this year.

I will say I never had the urge to kill anyone this entire year though but I guess everyone deals with pain and stress differently. My mom send me a text this week with a meme that said "Nobody gives up here" in Spanish followed by a comment "That is how you are, God gave you that quality. Even though you have been through hard times, you shake it off and always return to your path."

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posted December 27, 2017 04:24 PM            

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yes, sad
I saw the video clip of the boy singing with his father a Christmas song, they looked so happy together. 90 minutes later everyone was dead.
here are the victims

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posted December 27, 2017 04:31 PM            

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yes, Hypatia you had it all at once too, TR Saturn squared your Sun and Moon and plunged into your Neptune. You sailed thru it like a pro!

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posted December 27, 2017 05:00 PM            

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posted December 27, 2017 05:02 PM            

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^^OMG what a beautiful family!

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I'm getting very, very wary of men with natal close Mars-Pluto bad aspect. Men with this aspect have been in the news quite a lot lately.

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I feel you, is fair to be cautious.

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posted December 27, 2017 09:48 PM            

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This was his doing, not Saturn's. No planet puts a gun in anyone's hand with a hateful thought. People handle planetary energies in different ways, in varying skill and grace. We mold and craft our own desires and are responsible for our own inner balance.

There is no reason to fear Saturn or any other planet because of what this unstable, unbalanced person did.

Anyway, I can't find his birth date anywhere, just that he was 45, which means he was probably born in 1972.

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posted December 27, 2017 09:55 PM            

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I saw his birth info on his mug shot.

He is born on Dec 30, 1971

Saturn was the trigger. It didn't happen any other times but exactly now when Saturn triggered his deep seated anger issues, the report said he was depressed too.
Otherwise you are denying the power of the transits as triggers.

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posted December 28, 2017 08:44 AM            

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This is so sad. It's interesting that he didn't try to kill himself afterwards. I agree transit saturn in his grandcross was the trigger for this. Could anyone post his chart?

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posted December 28, 2017 08:56 AM            

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Isa, I had exactly the same thought - usually people who kill their families and the kids especially, they kill themselves afterwards too in a murder-suicide way.

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posted December 28, 2017 11:25 AM            

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Yes I thought the same thing, normally they kill themselves after, his self-preservation instincts are strong. He might still do it, its possible it hasn't truly hit him yet and once he gets sentenced it becomes real and he commits suicide. I mean is hard to live with something like that, I could understand why someone would kill themselves after, you can't undo you kill your own innocent child. But if his sociopathy and narcissism is strong enough he might feel they deserved it and lack any guilt.

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posted December 28, 2017 11:44 AM            

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Interesting He has:

Mars in Aries at 2d
Pluto in Libra at 2d

and the Tr Saturn in Capricorn activated this and completed a tsquare with Tr Saturn at the apex of the tsquare.

Yes that is what is what we call a trigger essentially..

Not saying Saturn did it, the predisposition was there for violence with mars square pluto and then Tr Saturn triggered it; after all when saturn aspects harshly mars that is an affliction to mars and with natal pluto already squaring mars yes that is one way it can manifest by tr saturn triggering violence that was predisposed already in the chart.

Add that Mars in Aries is impulsive and rash.

Add moon in gemini which with sun in capricorn and venus in aquarius and a complete WATER VOID in his chart it can make someone a bit robotic, detached, aloof and cerebral making it easier to do something like that without feeling deeply emotionally affected, hence why he did not kill himself after.

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posted December 28, 2017 12:04 PM            

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yes, this is exactly what I said in the OP, now I caught you not reading it at all, tz tz tz

I think he has Moon in cancer, not in gemini, an emotional Moon and TR Saturn hit his Moon as well, as part of his Grand cross. Gemini Moon I cannot envision them as passion killers.
He killed them because he wanted his family back and his estranged wife didn't want him back.

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posted December 28, 2017 12:33 PM            

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yes, this is exactly what I said in the OP, now I caught you not reading it at all, tz tz tz

I think he has Moon in cancer, not in gemini, an emotional Moon and TR Saturn hit his Moon as well, as part of his Grand cross. Gemini Moon I cannot envision them as passion killers.
He killed them because he wanted his family back and his estranged wife didn't want him back.

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hahha I did read it but I have mercury Rx so I am the type to have to see it for myself and come to my own conclusions which I was able to do once you gave the birthdate, like my mind works like that, I have to check and see for myself and then my analytical mind kicks in .

You make a valid point too but if he has moon in cancer then he had to be born between 9ish at night and midnight bc everything else puts him with moon in gemini BUT you can also argue that a moon in cancer would never murder their own child bc their instinct to protect those they love especially their own offspring would be too strong. You could also argue that if he has moon in cancer then that means his moon is a singleton bc it would be the only planet he has in a water sign and that could make him overly emotional but someone overly emotional is more like to feel guilty and kill themselves afterwards.

What is clear is that although tr saturn is a trigger there is a combination of things in his chart at play already which predisposed him whether is a water void with a lot of air and fire dominating his chart or a water singleton with a lot of air and fire dominating his chart plus an impulsive mars in aries squared by pluto. Plus his childhood upbringing and past trauma hinted by mars squared pluto also probably factors in.

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posted December 28, 2017 12:43 PM            

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Interesting he has Lucifer conjunct Pluto.

He has Nessus trine Uranus exact.

***If he was born at midnight he would have moon in gemini conjunct nessus trine Uranus, all exact.

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posted December 28, 2017 12:43 PM            

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could be in Gemini, too.
I am a Gemini Moon and we are not emotional killers, but one never knows. The reports say he was heavily depressed recently and this might have been triggered by TR Saturn in saggy opposing his potential Moon in Gemini.
But if his Moon was in Cancer at 0', then TR Saturn hit it at exact degree at the time of the murder.

his wife divorced him in June despite the fact she had just given birth , which means he was a pain in the neck beforehand with his Mars-Pluto-Sun T-square ( and the Moon in the mix if it was close by).

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posted December 28, 2017 12:50 PM            

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Excellent observations Orange...

He also may have Mars conjunct Vertex!

So sad he too messed up his life that.

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wait, he is a famous chef, he likes to cook. Moon in Cancer likes to cook and is very family oriented , family is everything so losing it put him in a dire situation.
Moon in Cancer will also give him a natal Moon-Mars square and Moon-Pluto square, pretty volatile, especially if all that is triggered by TR Saturn.
he used to be over-weight ( cancer Moon likes to eat) with a big belly ( I saw his pics) and he lost about 100 kg ( that's 220 pounds , wow) after turning to vegetarian food

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posted December 28, 2017 01:52 PM            

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wait, he is a famous chef, he likes to cook. Moon in Cancer likes to cook and is very family oriented , family is everything so losing it put him in a dire situation.
Moon in Cancer will also give him a natal Moon-Mars square and Moon-Pluto square, pretty volatile, especially if all that is triggered by TR Saturn.
he used to be over-weight ( cancer Moon likes to eat) with a big belly ( I saw his pics) and he lost about 100 kg ( that's 220 pounds , wow) after turning to vegetarian food

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hahah Ok I am sold, I think you are right LOL I cant argue with those points. I will update chart to reflect moon in cancer version which is most likely the one.

He also has I think watery looking eyes.

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posted December 28, 2017 01:57 PM            

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Here you go ladies

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posted December 28, 2017 02:19 PM            

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Thats horrible and devestating! News like this really irks me and makes me sick. I mean, he seems so normal! I see this all the time, mothers or fathers loosing it and killing the whole family, it happens all over the world and its so horrible

Well I just had saturn return also hitting my uranus, oppo my moon mars and chiron. Good thing it didn't trigger me to going on a killer spree, but that would be very hard anyways, thanks to Swedens gun control laws... yeah what can I say? Get your **** togerher with gun control, Usa! (sorry not sorry)

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posted December 28, 2017 02:41 PM            

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yes, hypatia hahaha...we make a great team, I wish we worked together in an investigation unit, we would be the mental female force. lol.

with this second chart, Moon in Cancer is in his 10th ( that's his profession, career), with MC in Gemini and the ruler Mercury in the 3th house - he made money by being a motivation speaker and a cook author.
and we see Chiron ( pain) and Mars (arguments, violence) in his house of marriage. Ok, ok, wait...ASC is at late degree Virgo- that's what TR Saturn had hit and caused him depression earlier on, it squared his angles back and forth, back and forth three times this year , as well as recently ( last week) conjuncted his IC at maybe late Saggy.

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posted December 28, 2017 04:05 PM            

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Gun control is not the problem LOL, if it was only that simple. All cases of shooters they were taking antidepressants, is a mental health issue which hints to a bigger societal problem. People can always get guns illegally or make a bomb at home or use knifes etc..
Also everyone is Switzerland is required to own a gun and is a very peaceful country with very low crime rate...

Also if only men in uniform have guns that puts the masses at a vulnerable position if government takes over and becomes a dictatorship....

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