posted January 20, 2018 01:18 PM            

that chart you posted, I'd never seen anything like it!

but it looks super-charged sexually for sure

posted January 20, 2018 01:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini30:
See that is the problem with me. I'm a 32 year old male. I have Moon conjunct pluto in Libra, Venus in aries opposite pluto.

I've always had major issues with my Mother as she was very verbally and physically abusive. As I got older, she calmed down and became more passive aggressive and manipulative. My mother is also so "sweet and gentle" to the family and friends but to me and my father she is the worst person I know. She also showed jealousy many times and I truly believe she is jealous of me til this day. My mother has Moon opposite pluto and is a Scorpio Sun. I had to deal with alot of her psychotic episodes as a child and the day I left home (at 26) I felt so free. It sucks I didn't leave sooner but I'm out of her life basically. I don't keep much contact with her. The fact that my father is still with her and puts up with her manipulative ******** is beyond me. I feel bad for him sometimes as I still keep in contact with him.

However, when it comes to my love life, I always attract women like her. At first they are so sweet and gentle and sex is amazing at first but they show their true selves after 5-6 months. They become just ....like my mother. And the thing is, all the women I date have the PLUTONIC theme to them. And you stated that Plutonic Men have a desire to be owned by Plutonic women in a erotic way? Yeah it's erotic in the beginning but most plutonic women are very ugly on the inside and start showing their horrendous forms of manipulation and jealousy. Then comes their nasty attitude and potty mouth. In my past relationships, I had to sacrifice time spend with my close friends because she didn't want me to spend time with them, only HER. I had to be a "good boy" just to have sex with them in the end. All in all, I always ended the relationships with my past partners, sometimes even "ghosting" them.

At 32, I really don't want to be in a relationship ever again. It's not safe for me as I want my well being to remain good and my psyche to remain intact.

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Sigh. The Pluto Connection. So so so hard to run from in the beginning! The magnetic pull is STRONG!
I almost shudder reading your story and I feel for you as I've been there many times. I've been with sick and ill people and what's even worse is that I think that was the whole point of it all. To learn to recognize the alluring "facade" for what it truly is: a dark, misleading hole of misery.

Sadder is that a low-grade Pluto will always find someone equally at the lowest point so what you need to do is to rise above the **** and never look back! Only the good Plutonians will find you after that.

posted January 20, 2018 05:25 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
@Gemini30

many of the relationships in our lives are meant to be lessons, and not situations we have to be stuck at forever

and plutonic relatoinships are perhaps the hardest ones to get out of, but nonetheless we must do it order to keep our mental health

even a venus/pluto trine in synastry can drive two none-plutonic people crazy, but the ones who are, can go at this game, learn from it, and if they are finally able to keep it pleasant, it will be an undying passion throughout the years

if your moon and/or venus as a man is aspected by pluto, you will for sure need a woman with a pronounced pluto in her chart, because running from them and going to their opposite types, will eventually leave you bored at the end, as you will know that something is lacking in the none-plutonic ones...you may keep being with one when you're reminded of the horror in your past relationships with the plutonic women (mother, girlfriends) and compared to them, you think you're doing the right thing, but you will still be left unsatisfied and resentful

plutonic women have for sure learned important lessons in their relationships with men as well, so not all of them are devils...there are for sure those who will do their best to control the nasty/controlling side of their pluto

I believe you're now at an age which is perfect to start a lasting relationship and find a person you can be happy with

you don't have to seek them out, just keep your heart open, and be ready to use your pluto passionately and integrate your into your relationships from now what you have learned in the past...the nice ones will come to you..you can have a really great time ahead of you with a permanent relationship..because that's what pluto desires and you will never be able to silent it!

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posted January 20, 2018 11:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
No quantitative research done on my end. But how about ...

Neptune-Sun
Neptune-Moon
Neptune-Mars
Neptune-Venus
Mars-Pluto
Mars-Moon
Mars-Sun
Mars-Venus

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posted January 21, 2018 12:09 AM            

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Originally posted by taurusprettyrising:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
[b]No quantitative research done on my end. But how about ...

Neptune-Sun
Neptune-Moon
Neptune-Mars
Neptune-Venus
Mars-Pluto
Mars-Moon
Mars-Sun
Mars-Venus

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posted January 21, 2018 12:57 PM            

When something trines and sextiles an opposition we call that the Point of Thales in astrology.

Moon rules daily habits and automatic emotional instinctual responses while pluto rules sex, the taboo, obession, all or nothing thinking and compulsions we dont quite understand. It takes a lot of self reflection and practicing mindfulness to get to the root of it all and get to the death and transformation of these daily compulsive habits.

posted January 21, 2018 01:04 PM            

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Originally posted by llewsacm:
I have several aspects in this list including Mars/Venus conjunct but I'm not a sex addict. I love sex however im not addicted to where it would be more important to the needs and wants of my partner. big difference.

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Same here, I have venus conjunct mars too by 1d in leo.

Not a sex addict either. I read that venus conjunct mars has a healthy sexual appetite.

posted January 21, 2018 03:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
@MargyMo0

What jumped at me was Uranus-Chiron/Chiron-Moon connection.

Also of interest is the Mercury square Saturn-Mars mix. Joined to that through Mars is Pluto i.e Saturn-Mars-Pluto chain which draws out the square with Sun in Cancer.

I will get back to explore this in detail.i suspect some sort of dis-empowerment through women or belittlement suffered at the hands of a female figure.

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I think Uranus is a bit wide for any aspects as it’s not a personal planet in this chart.

But I saw Uranus (the planet that likes to shock) at zero degrees (critical) retrograde (energy goes inward - watching pornography could be considered passive participation in 8th house activities) which isn’t aspected to another planet (other than an opposition to Chiron) so could be considered peregrine (overexpressed energy or not at all). Is in Sagittarius. Doesn’t that sign represent publishing and media?

posted January 21, 2018 04:04 PM            

... has Moon quincunx Mars -- and Saturn (147° separating) assuming the Asc figure is accurate enough-- which does play a role in what was described about the chart holder, particularly since Saturn sandwiches Mars with Pluto.

Moon is also sextile Sun. So I wouldn't consider Moon barely aspected at all. That's two fire planets and three aspects total. This would be easily seen if the aspectarian were included in the chart image and the Moon column read.

The fact that the Saturn-Mars-Pluto stellium in some way aspects both Sun and Moon speaks to the complex of inner emotional need and ego drives that could compensate in unhealthy ways for inner frustration or personal degredation. With Moon in aspect with Saturn it could be understood suppression of feelings and needs may take on detoured expression of frustration. Since Sun [21N26] is parallel Venus [22N22], quincunx and contra-parallel Neptune [22S03], and square Pluto the chart shows potential for the Solar ego energy to be misdirected into fantasy outlets that could become obsessive and take replace kindness and tenderness given and gained in relationships or artistic expressions.

These have their psychological origins in early life, but the described behaviors obscure the issues through misdirection (Sun square Pluto, Mars-Pluto, etc). They could be all the more difficult to deal with given that Mercury-Venus-Neptune are aligned with the Nodes [22N47] by parallel/contra-parallel, which shows fantasy as a familiar safe place (parallel S.Node), but aligned in challenging aspect with Mercury-Venus, indicating talent with words and communication.

There are strong clues of creative abilities for poetry or visual arts, and that the described visual outlets for frustrated feelings could stifle ongoing development of such creative abilities. With Mars conjunct Pluto there is no doubt there is power and drive to accomplish, but if the Venusian back ground of placements in Taurus and Libra create enough sensual frustration, things can go off track.

posted January 24, 2018 04:11 PM            

There is a painful Moon-Chiron conjunction /Chiron Uranus opposition aspect that I saw in the chart.

The Moon is linked in relationship to Uranus by Chiron. So there is an ability to detach from feelings. Especially when we see that Moon is in Taurus

Chiron in Taurus suggests masochistic tendencies i.e indulging in physical pain. Pain that is physically felt in a tangible place i.e bruises on the body.

I wonder if the connection of Moon in Taurus to Chiron points to a childhood where the parents(esp the mother) was physically abusive?

Saturn on Mars in Libra conjunct also suggests this dynamic of ones will being suppressed. Especially when in Libra, our need to please and have harmony is greater than asserting our own needs and wants so that we avoid tension.

Sun squares Mars/Saturn and Pluto.
Saturn on Mars/Pluto suggests a tremendous amount of rage/tension that this person has.

Often our sexual impulses are as a result of childhood experience- either good or bad. They become our security blanket especially when Moon/Sun is involved.

There is some sexual frustration or anger of not being able to fully incorporate all of himself within a relationship.

As Saturn in Libra expects certain rules and regulations to be followed, Pluto wants to repeal what rigidly constitutes "relations" to what is meaningful and authentic.

So there is the sensual element that is Libra ofcourse. But there is inherent frustation suggested by Saturn conjunction to Mars which hold back a lot.

His ideal situation would be to express his inner freak within the confines of a partnership.

Ironically enough however, he is more likely t be drawn to partners that are forbidding or sexually repressive themselves. Or perhaps those that fit the social status of what is expected of him(Libra)

Porn serves as an escape(Venus-Neptune). He can get lost in it. But his attraction towards its more violent nature has more to do with his Mars/Saturn interaction-which joins a lot of his planets.

Mars/Saturn is pent up aggression or anger that is not expressed fully. Sexuality may be compromised by having the person suffer impotency or inability to ejaculate/fully enjoy the sexual experience they have with another without feeling guilty.

Pluto involved suggests that he will have to one day find an absolute solution to the pending issues. Saturn/Pluto do not agree on the basis of how his relationships should be run.

posted January 24, 2018 05:21 PM            

I have Chiron in Taurus myself and find no pleasure in pain. So this intepration could be more general and sweeping come to think of it

Maybe of association of Venus(Pleasure) being the ruler of Taurus and Chiron(wound) mean that there is a pleasure/pain principle? Or perhaps a direct link between the two needs to be had in order for such to be the case?

Viewing mys own placement of Chiron, I can't say that I associate pain with pleasure. It could be that my Chiron is in retrograde motion and thus difficult to distinguish as I relate more to Chiron in Gemini.

But I still wonder of the link this Chiron has with the Moon: Could the physical pain suggested by Chiron in Taurus linked to Moon in Taurus be what he grew up knowing? Or was there some kind of deprivation that was felt on a physical level? Anything at all?

posted January 25, 2018 09:18 AM            

From what I understand, he grew up in a house where his dad worked a lot (shift work as a cop) and his mom mainly stayed home with them or only worked part time. His relationship with his mom is pretty good - I see her as nurturing but also kind of aloof and was not a very good disciplinarian. He was able to get into trouble on her watch. His dad would come home to then be the disciplinarian and as a result their relationship was strained, even maybe a little heated as he got into his teenage years. I think his dad was very hard on him while his mom "stayed out of it."

I don't know what effect this had on his psyche. I think he suffers from a great deal of self-esteem issues and perhaps felt like he had to live up to his dad's expectations but never could - seeking that approval. He also suffered from acne as a child/teen and so had very little luck with women until his early 20's when it cleared up. Once he finally got a girlfriend - his "first love" - she burned him pretty badly and I think he finally felt that vulnerability of heartbreak. After that is when the switch flipped I think and women became a game for him. I think this coincided with his interest in the "darker side" of all things sexual. The power you feel in the fantasy without having to deal with the messiness of connecting with another human being only to be rejected in the end.

posted January 25, 2018 10:44 AM            

Taurus is very physical "touch me" energy and when Moon-Chiron are joined together like that in the 2nd house, I thought perhaps the pain suggested by theirinteraction is physically felt i.e hunger, physical pain, discomfort etc.

posted January 25, 2018 10:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Thanks for clearing that Moon-Chiron conjunct Taurus up as it was gnawing at me. Especially with Uranus also involved by opposition.

Taurus is very physical "touch me" energy and when Moon-Chiron are joined together like that in the 2nd house, I thought perhaps the pain suggested by theirinteraction is physically felt i.e hunger, physical pain, discomfort etc.

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posted July 20, 2020 04:01 PM            

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Originally posted by llewsacm:
I have several aspects in this list including Mars/Venus conjunct but I'm not a sex addict. I love sex however im not addicted to where it would be more important to the needs and wants of my partner. big difference.

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posted July 22, 2020 11:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Leo-Cancer98:
If you were to date a woman, who prefers to wait until engagement or marriage, how would you react to her spiritual decision?

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