posted January 17, 2018 06:49 PM            

I'm finding one common set of aspects in these charts. Moon-pluto opposition with a trine/sextile combination to Neptune.

One person in particular had the aspects, and dug a hole so deep during a Pluto transit squaring the opposition, that he decided to take his own life as a result. More specifically, he dug the hole during that transit and when he took his own life, the nodes were squaring the opposition.

posted January 17, 2018 11:54 PM            

just one questions, were they all male?

just a while ago I too did a personal research out of curiosity and learned that men seem to be having a hard time handling moon-pluto aspects, especially hard aspects. some of them even refused to ever have sex with a woman.

posted January 18, 2018 02:30 AM            

When you say Moon-Pluto guys who refuse to have sex with females, are you referring to commitment or intimacy?

Masculine energy is typically scared of intimacy. It wants sex but not intimacy because in sex there is instant gratification.

But with intimacy, the gratification is long in coming. And its all about the journey and not the destination.

Mars energy wants to get to the crux of anything and can be concerned with only getting to get its rocks off(so to speak).

When Moon is involved in that, it can be a compulsive need because its confused with a sense of security.

Pluto is Mars in slow motion. And its all about momentum building up to an intense powerful finish.

I think Moon-Pluto people usually have issues with trust that if not adressed consciously, build up over the years.

They may be intent on giving themselves intimately to another(more so than Mars-Moon), but there is an inherent fear of betrayal that has to be dealt with.

Neptune is wanting to live within the fantasy and not being able to accept anything that may contradict that

Neptune is not about intimacy nor gratification ime. Its really about extending the "out of body" experience that one gets right before climaxing.

Neptune people are more likely to be addicted to porn that has strong themes of romance, escapism and role playing. Not so much porn that is all about thrusting and penetration(like Pluto and Mars).

posted January 18, 2018 02:37 PM            

Moon-pluto people (specially men) or any other strongly plutonic types, are either the most hungry types for sex which need to be stopped by doctors from having sex to death, or they can manage a strong self control and abstain from sex for a very very long time. There is no in-between for pluto.

Interestingly some of the men turned to homosexuality perhaps as a sad escape from dealing with problems coming from women. Same thing is seen in some sun/pluto women; however their sexual desire is often very strong and they eventually decide to give in to the satisfaction only a man can bring.

I have seen the same issues in men who have pluto/venus particularly the opposition. Minus turning to homosexuality as remedy.

I also think that moon/venus conjunct/opposite pluto types in men are extremely devoted and loyal partners (maybe not so much the squares, as they seek out more sneaky ways such as watching porn at best or cheating at worst while being great at keeping these a secret), they need a (plutonic) woman who desires to own them and take over their life (in a nice, erotic way of course, not through violence or manipulation or the mother is reminisced) and in return they will give them their ultimate trust and basically whatever she asks for.

posted January 18, 2018 05:53 PM            

I saw somewhere that Harvey Weinstein has this aspect and from memory Bruce Lee had it too channeled constructively into martial arts but he still had affairs.

posted January 18, 2018 10:19 PM            

Pluto transits ime have not come with empowerment. But mostly fear, vulnerability and intense anger that seems to have been long brewing within.

Pluto on Moon/Ic can leave scars from early childhood that feel permanent. Having a sister with Pluto in 4th has had me recognize just how deep and intense the anger from that part of early development can get.

One can feel "stuck" or feel unable to move on. And perhaps it will take major transits/progressions from Uranus on Pluto to have them want to "snap out of it" and let go. Neptune on Pluto can just bypass to the forgiving part-tired of being angry.

Pluto-Moon men and women who have sex addiction are in need of intimacy(not so much sex). As Pluto is about momentum and when in contact with the Moon the need for intimacy is one that has been carried over for years and years. Pent up Mars with lots of emotion.

So this exaggerated need for intimacy manifests as a fixation to a quick fix solution "out there". Either they become heavily promiscuous with violent/aggressive sex being a turn on. Or they build walls around their sexual nature and deny it with binge moments of "falling off the wagon" i.e the priest caught with a prostitute scenario.

The main theme with most porn movies that tickle the Moon-Pluto person are the ones where "consuming" the essence of another is emphasized. Getting really into the other person to a point where you feel you are under their skin.

Usually penetration without a condom, sex marathons, a "sex" room in the attic, whips/chains, taboo/fetishes that are strongly psychological feature a lot i.e swallowing *** , eating feaces, drinking partners blood etc.

posted January 19, 2018 11:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Its interesting how Pluto aspects are often said to "empower" in most interpretation. When the people who have them natally are seeking "power over" others on one hand whilst others are seeking other people to have power over them on the other.

Pluto transits ime have not come with empowerment. But mostly fear, vulnerability and intense anger that seems to have been long brewing within.

Pluto on Moon/Ic can leave scars from early childhood that feel permanent. Having a sister with Pluto in 4th has had me recognize just how deep and intense the anger from that part of early development can get.

One can feel "stuck" or feel unable to move on. And perhaps it will take major transits/progressions from Uranus on Pluto to have them want to "snap out of it" and let go. Neptune on Pluto can just bypass to the forgiving part-tired of being angry.

Pluto-Moon men and women who have sex addiction are in need of intimacy(not so much sex). As Pluto is about momentum and when in contact with the Moon the need for intimacy is one that has been carried over for years and years. Pent up Mars with lots of emotion.

So this exaggerated need for intimacy manifests as a fixation to a quick fix solution "out there". Either they become heavily promiscuous with violent/aggressive sex being a turn on. Or they build walls around their sexual nature and deny it with binge moments of "falling off the wagon" i.e the priest caught with a prostitute scenario.

The main theme with most porn movies that tickle the Moon-Pluto person are the ones where "consuming" the essence of another is emphasized. Getting really into the other person to a point where you feel you are under their skin.

Usually penetration without a condom, sex marathons, a "sex" room in the attic, whips/chains, taboo/fetishes that are strongly psychological feature a lot i.e swallowing *** , eating feaces, drinking partners blood etc.

Its "disgusting" to most people. But to me those things scream an exaggerated need for intimacy i.e feed me, touch me, take a piece of me/let me take a piece of you, get inside my head, understand me/ accept me etc

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Having experience knowing someone who has a very open fascination with "hard" pornography - aggressive dominance (dragging a woman across a floor, forcing her mouth open etc.), dirty talk, skimpy outfits, role playing, humiliation (a woman being toyed with by multiple men) - I am curious to know your thoughts.

His Moon is what I would consider "barely aspected" but his Venus & Mars are super charged.

In his sexual relations with real people though, I'd say he's probably not AS aggressive as his taste in pornography would suggest. Probably more aggressive with casual flings than someone he has formed a real bond with. With someone he loves it's more sensual, passionate, all-consuming...but dirty talk is a definite requirement. Sexy outfits are a plus! Although he still does watch the pornography while in a relationship...

posted January 19, 2018 01:02 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
I read something about people who are sexual having eighth house placements.

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posted January 19, 2018 01:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
That can very well be true - but the exact opposite is possible. 8th house placements can also make someone quite a prude, or even afraid of sex to the point they remain virgins all their life. They can either indulge, or "protect" sex at all costs.

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posted January 19, 2018 03:33 PM            

What jumped at me was Uranus-Chiron/Chiron-Moon connection.

Also of interest is the Mercury square Saturn-Mars mix. Joined to that through Mars is Pluto i.e Saturn-Mars-Pluto chain which draws out the square with Sun in Cancer.

I will get back to explore this in detail.i suspect some sort of dis-empowerment through women or belittlement suffered at the hands of a female figure.

posted January 19, 2018 05:32 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:

I also think that moon/venus conjunct/opposite pluto types in men are extremely devoted and loyal partners (maybe not so much the squares, as they seek out more sneaky ways such as watching porn at best or cheating at worst while being great at keeping these a secret), they need a (plutonic) woman who desires to own them and take over their life (in a nice, erotic way of course, not through violence or manipulation or the mother is reminisced) and in return they will give them their ultimate trust and basically whatever she asks for.

Just my two cents based on observations

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See that is the problem with me. I'm a 32 year old male. I have Moon conjunct pluto in Libra, Venus in aries opposite pluto.

I've always had major issues with my Mother as she was very verbally and physically abusive. As I got older, she calmed down and became more passive aggressive and manipulative. My mother is also so "sweet and gentle" to the family and friends but to me and my father she is the worst person I know. She also showed jealousy many times and I truly believe she is jealous of me til this day. My mother has Moon opposite pluto and is a Scorpio Sun. I had to deal with alot of her psychotic episodes as a child and the day I left home (at 26) I felt so free. It sucks I didn't leave sooner but I'm out of her life basically. I don't keep much contact with her. The fact that my father is still with her and puts up with her manipulative ******** is beyond me. I feel bad for him sometimes as I still keep in contact with him.

However, when it comes to my love life, I always attract women like her. At first they are so sweet and gentle and sex is amazing at first but they show their true selves after 5-6 months. They become just ....like my mother. And the thing is, all the women I date have the PLUTONIC theme to them. And you stated that Plutonic Men have a desire to be owned by Plutonic women in a erotic way? Yeah it's erotic in the beginning but most plutonic women are very ugly on the inside and start showing their horrendous forms of manipulation and jealousy. Then comes their nasty attitude and potty mouth. In my past relationships, I had to sacrifice time spend with my close friends because she didn't want me to spend time with them, only HER. I had to be a "good boy" just to have sex with them in the end. All in all, I always ended the relationships with my past partners, sometimes even "ghosting" them.

posted January 20, 2018 01:06 PM            

many of the relationships in our lives are meant to be lessons, and not situations we have to be stuck at forever

and plutonic relatoinships are perhaps the hardest ones to get out of, but nonetheless we must do it order to keep our mental health

even a venus/pluto trine in synastry can drive two none-plutonic people crazy, but the ones who are, can go at this game, learn from it, and if they are finally able to keep it pleasant, it will be an undying passion throughout the years

if your moon and/or venus as a man is aspected by pluto, you will for sure need a woman with a pronounced pluto in her chart, because running from them and going to their opposite types, will eventually leave you bored at the end, as you will know that something is lacking in the none-plutonic ones...you may keep being with one when you're reminded of the horror in your past relationships with the plutonic women (mother, girlfriends) and compared to them, you think you're doing the right thing, but you will still be left unsatisfied and resentful

plutonic women have for sure learned important lessons in their relationships with men as well, so not all of them are devils...there are for sure those who will do their best to control the nasty/controlling side of their pluto

I believe you're now at an age which is perfect to start a lasting relationship and find a person you can be happy with

you don't have to seek them out, just keep your heart open, and be ready to use your pluto passionately and integrate your into your relationships from now what you have learned in the past...the nice ones will come to you..you can have a really great time ahead of you with a permanent relationship..because that's what pluto desires and you will never be able to silent it!