posted January 25, 2018 11:25 AM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
a lot of jupiter aspects (to the sun and/or the moon) or planets (especially the sun and/or the moon) in sagittarius

retrograde jupiter

jupiter in gemini or capricorn

neptune in sagittarius (and maybe virgo or gemini too but I haven't met anybody of those generations to know enough)

* chances would be bigger when the person has a couple of these together, also when saturn is in a hard aspect to jupiter or neptune, although in many of these cases the person would not be an atheist at all, but even very religious and God-fearing, or perhaps religious because of a fear of the hell rather than a love for God and his worship

also there are some potentially nasty degrees in the signs of leo, libra, aquarius and pisces that can make a person lack conscious and moralities and reject anything related to God or what can't be seen...can't mention them all because it's not really proven, however frequently present in charts of cold blood murderers (including war criminals) and founders of satanic groups and occult and people who mock and question religion and the existence of God

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I don't think it is right to associate certain degrees with certain behaviors or mind patterns. Sabian symbols and other symbolic interpretations are fatalistic and ridiculously so. I read somewhere that sabian symbols don't even take fixed stars into account for interpretations. The interpretations were just created by some astrologers and their own personal opinions and then later the interpretations expanded upon as time progressed. That alone is enough for me to not use them for such topics (or any topics at all). If we're going to be fatalistic, I would prefer to used fixed stars as they actually have something of logical proof to back it up. Sabian symbols and other symbol interpretations are like botched up tarot readings except tarot readings are actually helpful.

posted January 25, 2018 11:40 AM            

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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
I If we're going to be fatalistic, I would prefer to used fixed stars as they actually have something of logical proof to back it up. Sabian symbols and other symbol interpretations are like botched up tarot readings except tarot readings are actually helpful.

I don't think any degree of any sign can predispose someone to be atheist or religious or a murder.

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unlike you I haven't found any logical backup by the descriptions of the fixed stars

I checked a rather large number of charts with known ascendants from all ages and people around myself as well, to confirm both the claims of the sabians and the fixed stars

I have found the sabian interpretations of Dane Rudhyar to be the most accurate, however one can't rely too much on the fixed stars when the "good fortune" or "blessed" parts are mentioned, because I have seen them in charts of normal people, bad people and influential people pretty equally, it seems that it depends on the person how they use a star

personally when I have seen enough of a degree (or a certain aspect) present in charts of "bad" people, it is only smart to be careful around them and not so trustful when I see them in a chart; it has nothing to do with being fatalistic

posted January 30, 2018 09:14 AM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
a lot of jupiter aspects (to the sun and/or the moon) or planets (especially the sun and/or the moon) in sagittarius

retrograde jupiter

jupiter in gemini or capricorn

neptune in sagittarius (and maybe virgo or gemini too but I haven't met anybody of those generations to know enough)

* chances would be bigger when the person has a couple of these together, also when saturn is in a hard aspect to jupiter or neptune, although in many of these cases the person would not be an atheist at all, but even very religious and God-fearing, or perhaps religious because of a fear of the hell rather than a love for God and his worship

also there are some potentially nasty degrees in the signs of leo, libra, aquarius and pisces that can make a person lack conscious and moralities and reject anything related to God or religion...can't mention them all because it's not really proven, however frequently present in charts of cold blood murderers (including war criminals) and founders of satanic groups and occult and people who mock and question religion and the existence of God

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I have retrograde Jupiter at zero degrees Gemini in my 12th house. TBH my eyes just glazed over the big paragraphs on God in this thread but I actually consider myself agnostic. I can’t find a credible argument for God/devine beings and religion other than a system of control and organised charity. But if other people believe then that’s fine. I appreciate places of worship as nice examples of architecture and interesting places to visit on holiday.

I also have Neptune in Sagittarius opposite my moon in Gemini. And I also have Saturn in Leo at 15 degrees which I read once was a critical degree of mass murderers (!) Generational aspect and Saturn isn’t big in my chart so I don’t think that’s true for me.

posted January 30, 2018 05:23 PM            

Maybe Saturn in Sagittarius people
Skepticus conjunct Sun
Sun square / opposite Neptune

posted January 31, 2018 03:13 AM            

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Originally posted by WhiteMoon:
I have retrograde Jupiter at zero degrees Gemini in my 12th house. TBH my eyes just glazed over the big paragraphs on God in this thread but I actually consider myself agnostic. I can’t find a credible argument for God/devine beings and religion other than a system of control and organised charity. But if other people believe then that’s fine. I appreciate places of worship as nice examples of architecture and interesting places to visit on holiday.

I also have Neptune in Sagittarius opposite my moon in Gemini. And I also have Saturn in Leo at 15 degrees which I read once was a critical degree of mass murderers (!) Generational aspect and Saturn isn’t big in my chart so I don’t think that’s true for me.

Have been really surprised at Pisces popping up in this thread for atheists though. That was a surprise for me. I suppose if it is afflicted it could reject belief systems outright.

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interesting!

posted January 31, 2018 03:14 AM            

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Originally posted by arcturus90:
some examples :

Maybe Saturn in Sagittarius people
Skepticus conjunct Sun
Sun square / opposite Neptune

those who believe :
Sun well aspected to Neptune
watery sun sign (except if it's bad aspected to Neptune)

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posted October 27, 2018 07:08 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:

good points

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posted October 27, 2018 08:06 PM            

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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
I think it may come from natal [b]Neptune Retrograde.

My partner has Neptune Retrograde, although he has moon in Sag, he's not that spiritual or religious. He also has mercury in Cancer.

He processes those things in a logic way and sometimes he questions me to the point that sometimes I feel he's trying to change my views into his, which of course it's impossible as my mind is fixated.

The thing that I've learned from him and one of my friend who claims that he is an atheism is that they come from some disappointment in early of their life (it's run deep) or maybe later in their mid life, OR maybe lack of some directions in the early of their life. Both can be very open minded but at the same time has narrow view on certain things.

I have read that Neptune Retrograde people have a lack of deep faith, regarding of what I'm not sure.[/B]

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i have natal neptune retrograde (trine my sun, and sextile pluto which is alsl sextile my sun... also loosely conjunct my mars) and i practice/study the occult

i wouldn't say that made me less inclined, if anything i find religion fascinating and i love exploring all of it searching for common themes while following my own experiences

it's part of my daily life

i don't accept abrahamic faiths but i do find value in some of their teachings as well, though i'm more partial to books written by catholic monks and such than i am to just biblical passages and so on

i find the ways many atheists think rather dogmatic, and it's sort of entertaining to me when they talk about science while many of them arent open to experimenting with any of the practices they insist dont work or exist

i would say i dont have blind faith, im always testing and always questioning and always leaving room for things to change because as you learn and grow things you once thought arent necessarily what ends up making the most sense

posted October 27, 2018 08:09 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
a lot of jupiter aspects (to the sun and/or the moon) or planets (especially the sun and/or the moon) in sagittarius

retrograde jupiter

jupiter in gemini or capricorn

neptune in sagittarius (and maybe virgo or gemini too but I haven't met anybody of those generations to know enough)

* chances would be bigger when the person has a couple of these together, also when saturn is in a hard aspect to jupiter or neptune, although in many of these cases the person would not be an atheist at all, but even very religious and God-fearing, or perhaps religious because of a fear of the hell rather than a love for God and his worship

also there are some potentially nasty degrees in the signs of leo, libra, aquarius and pisces that can make a person lack conscious and moralities and reject anything related to God or religion...can't mention them all because it's not really proven, however frequently present in charts of cold blood murderers (including war criminals) and founders of satanic groups and occult and people who mock and question religion and the existence of God

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i have a retrograde jupiter

treating the occult like it's separate somehow from spirituality and religion seems odd to me

it's exactly the same, and many of the stories in the bible reflect mythology that existed before it anyway

underlying patterns and so on...

posted October 27, 2018 09:29 PM            

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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
I don't think it is right to associate certain degrees with certain behaviors or mind patterns. Sabian symbols and other symbolic interpretations are fatalistic and ridiculously so. I read somewhere that sabian symbols don't even take fixed stars into account for interpretations. The interpretations were just created by some astrologers and their own personal opinions and then later the interpretations expanded upon as time progressed. That alone is enough for me to not use them for such topics (or any topics at all). If we're going to be fatalistic, I would prefer to used fixed stars as they actually have something of logical proof to back it up. Sabian symbols and other symbol interpretations are like botched up tarot readings except tarot readings are actually helpful.

I don't think any degree of any sign can predispose someone to be atheist or religious or a murder.

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posted October 27, 2018 10:58 PM            

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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
I still agree that no one degree of any sign can predispose someone to be atheist or religious or a murderer. That's crazy talk.

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posted October 27, 2018 11:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I don't think you can see this in the chart

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posted October 28, 2018 03:41 AM            

Also, all indicators in ones chart pointing at religion can also be indicators for atheism. Both are "belief systems".

One is belief in a intelligent designer and creator. One is the active denial of such a creator.

So, both are beliefs and ideologies. Therefore, you can't pick out if Sun in for ex 9th house means the person is believing in a creator, or denies a creator.

Only by getting to know the person, will show what the person beliefs (or not beliefs)in.

You can't be able to see wheather a person is religios, or the total opposite by indicators in the natal, sorry it does not work that way.

posted October 28, 2018 04:05 AM            

I percieve darwinism as a dogmatic for ex, atleast how they sneak it into everything regarding science here in Sweden, and they don't let one question its impossible to prove, and rejectable theories.

Also, Dawkins is not without a belief, he does believe in extra terrestial life, and that we (or our dna) may have been created by aliens etc. There is a video on youtube, where he is been interviewed, and he can't get out of the predicimant he himslef puts himself into. And he at the end admits, that life and dna can not have been appeared out of no where, that its impossible and that someone has to have created, the first dna code.

He denies a creator in form of god. But he admits, aliens can be a part of it. He denies god, but thinks aliens is more reasoanable. What then created aliens? would be next question but anyways. So yeah atheism and darwinism is a belief system, the "active denial of god", in short.

He has pisces placements, and a belief in aliens, can be a part of that and not strange at all.

posted November 22, 2018 04:11 PM            

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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
A lot of Pisces are actually atheists, it's the Sagittarius I've seen that are extremely religious. If they have Sagittarius and Pisces both in the chart they are likely to be very religious but more open to others' religions than someone who is just Sagittarius on their own. Pisces on its own is more likely to be atheist or agnostic and Sagittarius on its own is more likely to be religious and a bit ignorant towards others religious needs. The two in combo is very nice in a person, it's a nice blend.

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posted November 22, 2018 04:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I don't think you can see this in the chart

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posted November 22, 2018 08:50 PM            

I have chart ruler jupiter conjunct uranus in the 12th and Sun in virgo rules my 9th but squares my Neptune. My views are not based on religion and are very individualized and more mystical. I like the idea of perhaps reincarnation existing or different dimensions existing.

I feel after we die there are other adventures to come but I am unsure of how that would look like exactly. I also feel that everything perhaps already has happened and when we change what has happened a new time line gets created, time is circular not linear so everything has happened already and hence why psychics can see the "future," they are seeing something that already took place in actuality, one of the versions that have already taken place.

Is possible there are different versions of us playing out in different dimensions, time lines or universes. All I know is that this idea that there is a heaven and hell is man made and fear based, created to control the masses and less to do with real spirituality. What happens after we die is way more interesting/complex than the heaven/hell dichotomy.

My partner has Jupiter in Virgo ruling his 8th and I would consider him an atheist. Jupiter in Virgo makes him too skeptical and hard for him to see the bigger picture and the need for proof that there is more than meets the eye is very strong. He feels after we die there is nothing but maybe we just transform into a different type of existence in a different realm or maybe he is right. The possibilities are endless, who knows what truly the truth is.

posted November 25, 2018 05:49 PM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
I was an atheist for a long time. I have a Scorpio moon.

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