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FoxBatClan18
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posted January 25, 2018 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FoxBatClan18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey guys,


This morning I got a little curious about post-Millennials and looked them up on Wikipedia. Eventually I reached a section outlining political views of these kids and was shocked to find that study after study confirming that they are a right-leaning generation.

What do you all think of this Pluto in Saggittarius generation.

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DualGemV2
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posted January 25, 2018 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DualGemV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Depends on your source. I say location and the environment you live in effects your viewpoint beyond anything else.

Every place in the world has a different regional character if that regions wants and needs are meet or not met it dictates the viewpoint of the people in that region.

I would tend to see "Nordic countries" (Norway, Denmark and Sweeden) to be more liberal with some growing conservatives, but it will never be a majority.

I see Asia with a growing economy tending to be more conservative and view liberal ideas a determinant to there growing economies.

Personally, I don't care as long as there not the extreme conservatives or extreme
liberals.

Like the extreme conservatives that take up arms and use bloodshed to prove a point such as Timothy Mcveigh.

Or the extreme liberal( Social Justice Warriors or Ultra-feminists) that protest and make a case over nothing.

I will probably get in trouble for saying this but I think I have a point to prove.

We've seen a lot of people under allegations of assault and they say how could this have gone for so long?.

If every women made a case that was 100% genuine every rape or assault case would be taken seriously.

Instead you have these ultra feminist or Social Justice Warriors that
will report and complain over nonsensical things that it makes it hard to believe when a genuine cases has substance.

Every time they complain about something it makes it difficult for society to believe a genuine case.

So blame Ultra feminist and Social Justice Warriors for making rape and assault cases hard to process thats the effects of having extreme liberals.

Off topic, I'm a centrist with neither strong liberal or conservative views

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KarkaQueen
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posted January 25, 2018 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Nice tangent.

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PixieJane
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posted January 26, 2018 05:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any such statements can only be generally speaking. Even those with the same natal placements aren't going to be exact (one pair of conjoined twins, 2 heads on the same body, liked different boys, one wanted to stay close to home while the other wanted to go to a distant collage, and so on--explain that astrology...and geneticists, psychologists, etc). They have the same wide range of political leanings as the generations before them.

As for those born in the 2000s, I've noticed an extreme cynicism to about everyone that tries to control them, which could arguably be a Plutonian Sag trait.

Attacking their comics and video games (as many have done in the name of social justice, rather than in the name of conservative politics as used to be the case) isn't helping the cause trying to force the various forms of media to conform to their ideology at expense to story and character. This is not to say Gen Z generally despises diversity, but rather people not invested in the same content shaping their content without care of whether it's good or bad (and it's often bad as that's easiest to please those--not genuine fans for the most part--pressuring it to change). If GOOD, interesting (non-Mary Sue/Gary Stu) characters that were diverse were introduced and it didn't reek of ideology then I think most of them would have no problem with it. But zealots can't see anything beyond their political lens and don't understand how people can judge something using standards other than ideological conformity, and thus the inevitable conflict between political zealots and kids who don't want others telling them what to do (or worse, what to think) or messing with what they perceive as theirs.

And as always kids have finely attuned senses to adult hypocrisy...and "diversity" that is actually code language for "anti-straight white male" (that is merely turning the tables rather than genuine justice, which a lot of it is, sadly) is going to register pretty high and get a negative reaction, even by those not straight white males. This doesn't mean they hate women, gays, or anyone else, it just means the double standard hypocrisy (regardless of their ideology and political affiliation) grates on their nerves, something that Pluto Sag would exacerbate.

I know many reacted poorly to 13 Reasons Why for many reasons, many seeing it as Hollywood (perceived as liberal) as exploiting them rather than trying to genuinely help (and I'd say they're right on that). I spoke with kids about this movie and they said that while people on the net were almost universally praising it, every single kid they knew, including online, despised it, and they found that very suspicious (that is, the producers lying about the movie online with web bots, critics whoring themselves out to the makers of the show, etc were making it appear more popular than it was). Even kids who said they suffered depression or suicidal thoughts hated 13 Reasons Why with a passion. It stinks of adult lies and false caring. They, like Sag, don't want to be cynically manipulated so that others can profit giving people the feels, especially when it willfully exploits suffering while pretending to care.

Based on older generations (from those older than me to those now in college) I expect it comes down to vocal zealots demanding extremes that are the most obvious while the silent majority try to sneak on by without getting burned by any side.

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StubbornVirgo
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posted January 26, 2018 06:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've met just as many conservative or right-leaning Pluto in Scorpio millennials.

I personally don't see much of a connection.

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capricorncheriscty
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posted January 26, 2018 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capricorncheriscty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
More so than Pluto I think this would have more to do with the fact that many of those children born after 2001 had Neptune and Uranus in mutual reception. Uranus in Pisces, Neptune in Aquarius. Uranus square Pluto, Neptune sextile Pluto. Back and forth between stress and upheaval in politics and knowing what they want out of politics. Uranus is not a good planet to have squaring such an already intense planet as Pluto. Might be why they push to conservative.

The children from 1996-2000 had Uranus and Neptune both in Aquarius sextile Pluto in Sag so there is not as much stress when it comes to them defining their political views. Definitely makes for some very strong feelings being held, on whatever political side they will eventually take up when they are older.

I don't really think we can define an entire generation as one political side until they have reached a certain age. Most of them are not even 18-20 yet, they are probably just listening to what their parents are saying and repeating that. Who knows if they are TRULY left, right, conservative, liberal, republican, democrat, etc?

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posted January 26, 2018 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lion-I     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pluto in Sag 2000er here and I can say many young kids are Closet Conservatives and don't proclaim their beliefs outright. Then there are others like me who do.

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capricorncheriscty
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posted January 26, 2018 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capricorncheriscty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lion-I:
Pluto in Sag 2000er here and I can say many young kids are Closet Conservatives and don't proclaim their beliefs outright. Then there are others like me who do.

Yeah I have some friends like that. They don't want to admit it because they don't like confrontation (Uranus in Aquarius maybe? Lol) but they are definitely conservative. I'm not one myself, but I don't see the problem in them admitting it.

I remember reading somewhere a long time ago that mutable signs can be the most conservative and traditional when it comes to daily life matters. Shocked me because you would typically think this with the Fixed or even the Cardinal signs wouldn't you? But after thinking about it I see SOME truth in it. Disregarding outer planets, I have seen lots of people with mutable suns, moons, or risings who are very strict and one-minded on how they view things. Once they have an opinion, agreeable or disagreeable, they don't change it. They will maybe expand upon it for the sake of them wanting to know more about the world around it (they love absorbing new knowledge), but it is not common for them to change their viewpoint even after that.


The mutable signs are kind of passive-aggressive to me. They don't say what they really want to say because they're afraid of upsetting the harmony and balance present. They all have strong opinions in their own special way but they keep it to themselves. Don't want to start a commotion just for the hell of it.

Pluto in sag is like this a lot sometimes. Looking back on the Pluto in Virgo generation, they were also like this. Strong opinions and strong thoughts, but not wanting the confrontation along with them. They were all very passive-aggressive about directly exerting their opinions, often using middleman projects (comics, tv shows, books, comedy and gab, music, etc) to portray their opinions instead.

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TheMusician00
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posted January 27, 2018 04:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TheMusician00     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm one of those 96-00 kids with Uranus and Neptune in Aquarius and Pluto in Sagittarius, and liberalism is rather popular among kids in my generation, even in conservative towns (In which I grew up). However, it's not complete liberalism. It's closer to centrism with an emphasis on making sure everybody's basic rights are respected and some fiscal conservatism.

The Pluto in Sagittarius generations though aren't going to be quiet about their thoughts. Not at all actually. Sagittarius has never been the sign of passivity, and to put an intense planet like Pluto into a sign that lives wild and free? Recipe for outspoken political views. However, I think most of the kids in this generation will be interested in expanding their knowledge as well (As that's a trademark quality of Sagittarius), and we are all pretty tolerant for the most part.

The biggest factor here is those with Uranus in Aquarius have that as a final dispositor. If any generation's going to change the way we work as groups, it's going to be this one. Astrologically, it makes the most sense for the Uranus-Aquarius generation to be the one to completely turn the system on its head, especially with Pluto in Sagittarius.

Tl;dr
Pluto in Sagittarius = Intense and transformative desire to explore and learn
Uranus in Aquarius = Final dispositor and complete reversal of group interactions and societal structures
Neptune in Aquarius = Dreams of a tolerant and equitable society

This is the recipe for a generation that's going to fight for equal access to knowledge and completely upheave the system we have now, even if the end goal isn't realistic. Aka get ready for this trash school system where kids are numbed beyond curiosity to be razed and rebuilt.

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kewf1988
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posted February 01, 2018 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kewf1988     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
I've met just as many conservative or right-leaning Pluto in Scorpio millennials.

I personally don't see much of a connection.


This.

Pluto represents an entire generation, so it isn't an indicator of liberalism or conservatism. Neptune is the main indicator of liberalism (Venus in aspect is economic liberalism, Moon in aspect is cultural/social liberalism. Neptune signs, like Pluto signs, are generational and aren't indicators) along with the South Node (conjunctions, trines, sesquiquadrates, quincunxes), and Moon and Venus in aspect to the North Node indicate cultural/social and economic conservatism respectively (this is unanimous with religious conservatives as every Evangelical Republican I know has this). My blog has over 1,000 examples of this, and I'm very good with rising signs now (especially for females but I'm getting better at finding them for males as well) because of a year of doing these charts.

Pluto generations are basically the generational character, but this may or may not play out in their political views. For example, Pluto Libras for example can be extreme SJWs as well as extremely anti abortion (justice for the unborn), and how it plays out is determined in the political indicators. Some right wing economic views can be labeled as left wing in astrology, such as fascism (the dissolution, Neptune, of wealth from the poor to the rich) and strong support for increased military spending and tariffs.

It makes sense for Venus (value, money) and the Moon (home, country, and family) to be the main planets in political astrology, and aspects to Neptune and the Nodes determines whether the person will be liberal or conservative.

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