posted February 10, 2018 12:15 AM            

Now we all know Virgo is the sign that’s well-known to be like this, but he has 0 Virgo personal planets. I have Virgo mercury/venus and I’m not close to how specific he gets with everything. It drives me nuts sometimes.

I wonder what else in a chart could show a detail-oriented person? I also noticed he’s good with his hands and learns quickly when things are repetitive. Another Virgo thing. But could it also be the Capricorn?

He has:

posted February 10, 2018 01:25 AM            

You’re potentially a perceiver. That means you’re less concerned with specific results and more concerned with tending to immediate stimuli. Being open to the flow of things and exploring different potentials is more important than creating a specific result. Linear vs nonlinear.

Gemini is the sign known for that kind of multi perspective. I guess when modified with a cap moon it narrows the focus. I know a cancer with a Gemini moon who’s more of a perceiver. I think cancer modifies the gem perspective to be more inclusive and receptive to different approaches.

posted February 10, 2018 04:23 AM            

And that Venus in Gemini conj Asc in Gem?

Ic in Virgo?

Any 6th house placements?

posted February 10, 2018 09:30 AM            

An afflicted Moon brings about a perpetually dissatisfied state of being, with harsh aspect to Saturn and Mars is a person who complains a lot, always want to see the bad in things (pessimism), plus they're super argumentative and pretty hard to get along with. Tbh, a lot of people with this are constant complainers and have a very nervous disposition. Since his Moon is afflicted while being irritated by two malefics I can only imagine how irritating and problematic this is.

I see since it's also in conjunction with an afflicted Jupiter, he does in a preachy, obnoxious way that is hypocritical and obtuse. He does it b/c he can and wants to dominate over people. He sees things very black-and-white and wants to always have his way.. no matter what.

And since it's in the Seventh House, it's particularly colored in his love life and relationships.

posted February 10, 2018 11:44 AM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
With what I see in his chart:

An afflicted Moon brings about a perpetually dissatisfied state of being, with harsh aspect to Saturn and Mars is a person who complains a lot, always want to see the bad in things (pessimism), plus they're super argumentative and pretty hard to get along with. Tbh, a lot of people with this are constant complainers and have a very nervous disposition. Since his Moon is afflicted while being irritated by two malefics I can only imagine how irritating and problematic this is.

I see since it's also in conjunction with an afflicted Jupiter, he does in a preachy, obnoxious way that is hypocritical and obtuse. He does it b/c he can and wants to dominate over people. He sees things very black-and-white and wants to always have his way.. no matter what.

And since it's in the Seventh House, it's particularly colored in his love life and relationships.

Not good.

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posted February 10, 2018 12:09 PM            

His Taurus moon conj Saturn is more Saturn than my own Cap Moon will ever be :-/ Sure, he likes to joke and poke fun and be all light hearted BUT, deep down there's that infamous Saturn-fear and pessimism and I cannot stand that!

posted February 10, 2018 12:20 PM            

Reading that I thought, "Chiron in the 4th House". Not only that but it's conjunct his North Node, square Moon-Jupiter and opposite Saturn!!

Eeek he actually feels a bit panicked when he sees things 'not going his way' in the kitchen. I would think the ideal solution would be to ban him from watching you cook, but I think with the Saturn opposition that's going to be difficult to convince him to do.

Usually there will be issues with control because of childhood issues which were unavoidable with Chiron. Since we're talking 4th House and aspects to Moon and Saturn then it's likely both parents are involved. Did his parents have their worst arguments in the kitchen? Does he have some kind of traumatic memory association here? Or maybe he was a very fussy eater and this was turned into a point of reference which embarrassed or upset him?

A little gentle probing about his childhood fears may be the best way to help him work through this. I'd find it very annoying too I have to say haha. ;-)

posted February 10, 2018 07:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen:
... But could it also be the Capricorn?

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Yes. Control issues. Look also at Saturn -- it's square the Moon, which has its picky way in spite of Jupiter being so close to the Moon.

posted February 11, 2018 07:32 AM            

Mercury/Pluto square- Fussy and notices discrepancy. Mind can be obsessed with finding details

posted February 12, 2018 12:49 PM            

Natal:
http://imgur.com/rh1OXU2

Synastry:
http://imgur.com/bpUWA6u

Anyway, I have not taken Chiron into account at all. I don’t really look into asteroids or other bodies as I do the main planets/luminaries. His mom, besides being cold and unaffectionate towards him, had control issues. She wanted him to be the perfect son and withdrew any kind of affection from him (this all went to his older brother, who was allowed to mess up more than he did). In a way, he and I kinda had almost the same kind of childhood because the same was expected of me too, except my mom gave me the proper rewards and affection for doing good. When he would get good marks in class (like 90%+), his mom would say it’s not good enough. Or when he did good enough, his mom gave him more homework to do instead of rewarding him for the good behavior. His dad wanted him to be the exact opposite. Family life was not very good for him.

I guess he took that to adulthood, being hard to please. That’s all he’s known his whole life. Even now he’s in school, even though he is doing great, he still thinks his work is not enough. He lives with me, not his family and I try to reassure him every time he doesn’t have to be perfect.

posted February 12, 2018 07:24 PM            

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Mercury/Pluto square- Fussy and notices discrepancy. Mind can be obsessed with finding details...

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Interesting. I have Mercury trine Pluto and I was very specific when I was a child.

I can't eat generic brand and my Vegetables couldn't touch other foods.

I was asked to bring dinner for my sisters kids, I asked every specific detail about there meal even to the way things were packaged just to make sure...boy was I shocked how easy they are to be pleased...I guess I was very fussy as a child.

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posted February 12, 2018 11:28 PM            

Because of the aspects within our own chart, we tend to project these on to others and assume that they think the same.

Your surprise in finding out just how "easy" the kids were to please, is because you knew yourself to insist on certain requirements first. Then assumed that everyone thinks the same.

I see this person's tendency for being exacting in a twofold manner; first with Pluto adding its energy on Mercury. Obsessive thinking patterns on details, details , details.

And then I also see Saturn on the Moon with Mars/Chiron in the mix as someone who is hard on themselves. And thus can be hard on others by demanding "perfection" first on themselves and then on others.

Moon/Saturn aspects can have someone think that love is connected with being flawless, impeccable and above-average in competence. Venus/Saturn does that too.

It could be that the parents communicated this by giving rewards and hugs based on what the person "achieved" that was above average.

posted February 13, 2018 03:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen:

Anyway, I have not taken Chiron into account at all. I don’t really look into asteroids or other bodies as I do the main planets/luminaries.

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Chiron rules Virgo! I pasted the link and looked at his chart for you ^^

posted February 13, 2018 04:10 PM            

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Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars:
I’m kinda like this... I like dirty dishes to be pre-rinsed and stacked a certain way, so it transfers to the drying rack and back into the cabinets in a specific order. I like to grocery shop in a certain order for similar reasons. I create shopping list according to the store’s layout. And I too like my food a certain way (including my sandwiches). I want my clothes washed and dried a certain way. I have a method for most mundane things, and the point of it all relates to efficiency, planning and organization. It annoys me when my husband cooks or preps things in an order that will lengthen the process. It’s a common point of tension for us. The only thing I have in Virgo is my 4th house cusp, no planets in my 6th house. In personality theory, people who like structured order like this tend to be judgers. For me, It’s less about pickiness and fussing over trivial details and more about systematic action and forseeing the development of a specific course of events. I associate that kind of strategic thinking with Capricorn. I’m a gem rising with a cap moon too. In my nodal chart, my moon is in Virgo. It’s really hard to prevent ourselves from thinking and calculating the results of our actions. We are always calculating and recalculation. Seeing someone doing something that we know will create inefficiencies can drive us mad. Lol Maybe it’s the same way for him.

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Omg...it's like you took the words right out of my mouth. I am exactly like this. For me, it is ALL ABOUT the efficiency of a situation, whatever it is. Details matter because they make living more streamlined. For instance, making a sandwich. I pile my toppings in such a way that the bread does not get soggy or it will not fall apart, meanwhile my SO would just slap it all on and call it a day. Or I fold my laundry into separate piles so when I go to put it away I'm not tearing apart a giant pile (which my SO would do) to get to the items I need to put in a certain area.

I wouldn't even call it a pickiness that affects me PERSONALLY, it's more...process related pickiness. I'm not obsessive about my diet or my clothing or anything like that having to be a certain way, but I do REALLY APPRECIATE orderliness in day-to-day living.

It's very frustrating when people don't understand there is a method to the madness!

posted February 14, 2018 12:26 PM            

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Originally posted by margym0o:
Omg...it's like you took the words right out of my mouth. I am exactly like this. For me, it is ALL ABOUT the efficiency of a situation, whatever it is. Details matter because they make living more streamlined. For instance, making a sandwich. I pile my toppings in such a way that the bread does not get soggy or it will not fall apart, meanwhile my SO would just slap it all on and call it a day. Or I fold my laundry into separate piles so when I go to put it away I'm not tearing apart a giant pile (which my SO would do) to get to the items I need to put in a certain area.

I wouldn't even call it a pickiness that affects me PERSONALLY, it's more...process related pickiness. I'm not obsessive about my diet or my clothing or anything like that having to be a certain way, but I do REALLY APPRECIATE orderliness in day-to-day living.

It's very frustrating when people don't understand there is a method to the madness!

Virgo Rising
Gemini Sun
Capricorn Mars

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Yes, exactly! Like, I would never place a tomato with its gooey center directly onto the bread so the liquids can be absorbed. I’d put a barrier like lettuce or sandwich meat between the tomato and the bread. Lol. Depending on what kind of bread and veggies I’m using, I’ll even be mindful of buying particular shapes and sizes so when I cut them they’ll interlock or somehow fit together in a complementary way. I can make exceptions for an everyday lunch, but if I’m cooking for guests or a party, I am creating an “experience” so those details will matter. Enough about that though.

You’re right, in most cases, it has so little to do with baseless preferences and more to do with designing a system that streamlines the process and/or creates a specific result. I’m hyper-aware of patterns and cause and effect relationships. Especially in business, what some will see as minor details, I’ll see a something that can have a significant impact on the end result, which doesn’t always manifest immediately. The nature of these situations is I end up coming across as being uptight, paranoid, or a bit extra! Lol. I’d prefer that a certain level of understanding is reached so that information is integrated into the decision-making process in ways that provides a strategic advantage. A careless or even carefree attitude, even if in small does can have a systematic impact in an environment that leads to loosened standards and unintended results (sometimes good). It’s like how we become nose blind to something. Constant pressure from someone like me IS irritating!! I hate doing it, but in my experience, it’s negative reinforcement that has positive results. Although, different people regard those results differently. My mind is always in the mode of “what am I building”, “where is this leading”, “how do I improve the future in my mind’s eye”. This is where being critical comes in and you’ll hear lots of, “No, do it this way”, “not like that”, blah blah blah! Lol

I have the Saturn and Mars square Moon aspect talked about.

I’m not exactly sure what aspect(s) to attribute having an active mind to, but that’s really what it’s about. In Vedic astrology the moon represents the mind or our emotional and psychological tendencies. If that is the case, mars and Saturn square moon explains lots. Mars makes the mind overly active, and Saturn causes the mind to fixate and plan.

I get how frustrating this can be to people who are more present and engaged with what is happening right now instead of where right now leads.

posted February 20, 2018 11:54 PM            

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Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars:
Yes, exactly! Like, I would never place a tomato with its gooey center directly onto the bread so the liquids can be absorbed. I’d put a barrier like lettuce or sandwich meat between the tomato and the bread.....

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Funny because I just bought a Gourmet Burger and salad.

I specifically asked not to put to much dressing on the salad so it doesn't spill onto the burger bun.

When I was younger my mom use to try to promote us to eat salad and our vegetables, she figured by putting more sauce on it we would like it.

Every time even till now she would pour way to much dressing to the point of the salad becoming a "swamp" full of dressing ...and I sill don't eat it.

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posted February 21, 2018 12:04 PM            

The bad thing about me being picky is I'm also picky about the work I'll do. While I have my reasons, the typical descriptions of a Virgo Midheaven do not apply to me. My attention to detail comes into play through writing.

Actually, because I tend to do things in a very specific way all the time, I used to think that according to personality theory, I was a Judger. Compared to a legit Judger, I'm probably very clearly a Perceiver, though I still have more Judging traits compared to the average Perceiver. I'm an INTP.

Astrologically speaking, I have no personal Virgo planets. However, I have Sun and Venus in 6th house and my Taurus Sun is in the Virgo decan. Jupiter in Virgo aspects my Venus in 6th house.

In my opinion, it's not too far-fetched for a Leo to be picky with things. Leo comes across as a sign that wants the best of the best, which translates to "do things the way I want them to be done" to me.