posted February 13, 2018 11:17 PM            

Simply put, I use a person's relationships and the people they attract into their lives to rectify an Ascendant. Attraction that leads to relationships are based on elementary astrological principles - Sun conjunct Moon. Further research has revealed that the Asc acts as the Sun in relationships, therefore Asc conjunct Moon is also an attraction factor.

This method won't give you an exact degree, but it will give a sign.

posted February 14, 2018 12:58 AM            

I understand what you mean. I guess this just goes to show how differently people can perceive one person to be.

I don't see Mars being all that strong with her. Again I could be wrong. But the Destiny's child group seemed to have been built around her so that she can have support and eventually learn to stand by herself.

The group members that left felt that she was getting too much attention and that it was all about her. Granted her Cap Sun father pushed her to be the centre of the group. But Beyonce lacked confidence and he knew that, so the group was manufactured to give her that sense of support.

Most of her early songs spoke of relationship dynamics being equal for both the man and the woman. In those songs she still recognized the role of the partner(man).

Even "Single ladies" , her most celebrates hit speaks of how the man must step up and show that he means to marry the woman he claims to love and not string her along for years, only to be jealous if she catches someone else's eye.

She recognizes the value of partnership s and relationships too much in her songs to have the loner "f*** that" mentality of someone with Mars strong IMO.

It could be Libra Venus/Pluto conjunct coming through that I see in her body of work? Perhaps. But there are certain things I have noticed about fire asc that I don't see in her.

Leo Asc tends to focus a lot on themselves. They make everything about themselves and they become an "event". Loving it when people talk about them

She shys away from media attention. And she only engineers publicity to promote her career or to build hype around her so she can sell records. Case in point...." Lemonade"- which I felt was overrated but anyways.

Aries Asc tends to say things "off the cuff",is prone to reveal too much about themselves or over share on their opinion on things they dislike/people.

I don't ever see her airing politically strong views or courting controversy. She stays neutral on things and avoids upsetting people.

Sag Asc are strongly philosophical and believe that they have the truth and are quick to share it. They don't care.

Most seem to have a preoccupation with religion/politics or belief systems. They don't focus much on relationships or interpersonal connections. And are drawn to worldly pursuits etc.

I don't see her in that light either...

posted February 14, 2018 01:27 AM            

She got into a huge litigation years earlier in her career that nearly ended her reign as talk show "queen" based on a remark she made about beef

This to me is typical of Sag energy putting their foot in it and not fully appreciating the extent to which such a remark can be misconstrued.

But then again Sun in Aqua can say offhand things and with Moon in Sag, there is no buffer. So its tricky.

posted February 14, 2018 04:05 PM            

Let's think about this. If Beyonce was Virgo or Pisces rising, Neptune would be on her Midheaven/IC axis. This makes sense. If Neptune is in the 4th, this explains why Beyonce's childhood and family life was practically nonexistent. Neptune dissolves and makes foggy whatever it touches. I was watching a documentary a while ago on her and it was really sad at the beginning. Her mom and sister made comments about how when Beyonce was really little she was ostracized so badly by kids at school that she never had any friends at all except for Kelly and about 2 or 3 other girls. She had really bad self-esteem and was extremely shy and overall didn't really have a very eventful childhood outside of her hobbies. Not to mention her parents were clearly not on good terms, her childhood was not noteworthy and probably very hazy to her.

If she is Virgo rising, then when Neptune went into Pisces it would be in her 7th for some time. She clearly has a huge amount of issues with Jay. He is a mess and overall terrible husband. A supposedly good father but a terrible husband. He openly admits to cheating on her multiple times over the past couple of years in a recent interview. Neptune in 7th transit is notorious for this. Beyonce also clearly had suspicions about his cheating for quite some time, this is nothing new. She has been hinting he is trash for the longest time now. How long has Neptune been in Pisces?

If she is Pisces rising, her natal Neptune is in the 10th. Since it would also be her Chart ruler this planet would also be a source of individualization in Beyonce's life. Beyonce had a hard time being an individual figure in her public career during her early years. Like you said, her father had to kickstart DC because he knew Beyonce was too shy to be on her own at the very beginning.

But over time she finally stood out and went solo. When did her solo career finally get a bump into Hollywood with official status? TR Neptune in Pisces in 1st house. She is the glamorous star of her own show, not hiding within the group anymore. Her outfits and style during that time also reflect this, she had that showgirl jazz style going on and would always wear long extensions with bold makeup looks and glitter EVERYWHERE.

Though, like I said, Sag is very tempting to think about but I really just don't believe she has her natal Neptune in the 1st or conjunct the 1st. It seems too much, knowing her background history. Virgo rising is weird to think about too but that transit Neptune in the 7th though...I'm so gullible. It's got me convinced.

Pisces or Virgo? Every day this week I've been thinking about it more and more I think about it the more gullible I become and succumb to the idea of either one being more possible. Send help

posted February 14, 2018 04:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
I use the SynastryMethod™ for rectifying an Ascendant. I've discussed this method in the Kate Middleton Asc thread.
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That's interesting! I actually tried to use that method before for a friend's ASC but I got tired...Tedious work. I'm gemini rising with afflicted chart ruler. I couldn't be bothered. What did you come up with for Kate?

It seems like Kate also has a bouncing birth time. If I can collect my thoughts, I vaguely remember birth times being given over the past, having Kate as Libra rising, Taurus rising, Gemini rising, Cancer rising, and Leo rising back and forth like willy nilly.

Now it's at Leo rising again. I think that's the second time it's been Leo rising. Before, Libra rising was there two or three times. Don't know what to think. So many random birth times for her have been floating around the internet.

Personally, I always used to think Kate Middleton is a Libra rising, but her current Leo rising has the highest verification so I can't really argue because it does seem valid. I didn't check her transits though. The composite with her and William under Leo rising made me raise an eyebrow. So much composite 6th house in a couple that's been together for over 10 years? Uhh.

posted February 14, 2018 05:23 PM            

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That's interesting! I actually tried to use that method before for a friend's ASC but I got tired...Tedious work. I'm gemini rising with afflicted chart ruler. I couldn't be bothered. What did you come up with for Kate?

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posted February 15, 2018 01:41 AM            

Off the top of my head I can see Scorpio, Virgo, and Libra as possible rising signs.

I can't really see Pisces, Sagittarius, Aries or Gemini at all.

The other signs for her rising I am neutral, particularly Leo rising because her Mars is in Leo.

Off the top she seems very guarded (granted she is a celebrity). Plus she has Scorpio moon. But even when she sings and performs I feel her guarded-ness too. That's probably why I am not a fan/Beyhive. She doesn't move me (emotionally) even though she's entertaining and talented. *Random but the older she gets/the more she evolves I do "like" her more.

posted February 15, 2018 08:11 AM            

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William & Kate

Now that we know William and Kate had pMoon conj nSun at the time of their wedding, and this aspect features prominently at the start of both marriages and romances, let's see what the alignment were when this relationship began.

>In 2001, Middleton met Prince William while they were both students in residence at St Salvator's Hall at the University of St Andrews. The couple began dating in 2003, although their relationship remained unconfirmed.
So, they first met in 2001, with both pMoons in Taurus. Two years later they began dating as pMoons moved into Aries. As said before, pMoon conj pMoon is a fabulous aspect, but isn't strong enough to bring about a relationship. It has also been established that pMoon conjunct nAsc/nSun is the dynamic aspect that unites a couple.

At the start of their relationship both had pMoon in Aries. William is a Cancer w/ Sagittarius Asc, Kate's pMoon in Aries wasn't in conjunction to either his nSun or his nAsc - no attachment there. OTOH, Kate is a Capricorn w/ Asc unknown. William's pMoon in Aries, by deduction, must've been conjunct her nAsc. Making her an Aries Rising.

This is my argument why I believe Kate Middleton is an Aries ascendant.

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Aries Asc - "I'm pretty independent."

This woman wants a lifelong mate but won't hesitate to hold out for the Prince. When she finds him, she will happily give her heart, barbecue his steaks, and if necessary, fight to defend him against the world. She faces hardships with an iron will and will always end the race at the front of the line.

Leo Asc - "I love Jewelry."

posted February 15, 2018 04:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
I use the SynastryMethod™ for rectifying an Ascendant. I've discussed this method in the Kate Middleton Asc thread.

Simply put, I use a person's relationships and the people they attract into their lives to rectify an Ascendant. Attraction that leads to relationships are based on elementary astrological principles - Sun conjunct Moon. Further research has revealed that the Asc acts as the Sun in relationships, therefore Asc conjunct Moon is also an attraction factor.

This method won't give you an exact degree, but it will give a sign.

Using the SynastryMethod™ I will examine Beyonce's relationships with Jayz & Serena Williams to see is a pattern emerges. Serena's TOB is known so the odd sign out should be easy to spot.

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I agree with this.
The people in her life:
- mother = Cap
- father = Cap
- sister = Cancer
- kids = Cap and Gem
- husband = Sag

I can imagine her Asc being in Sag. This would put her Asc ruler Jupiter in Libra conjunct Saturn, which would explain the Cap energy around her. Her Jupiter is also conjunct Jay's Moon, this would explain one attraction factor in their synastry.
Sag Asc would put Neptune in her H1, responding to Jay's Dsc in Pisces.

The only other possibility I'd consider is a Cancer Asc which mirrors her sister's Sun. Most of the close people in her life would put their Sun in her H7. Her Asc ruler Moon is conjunct Jay's Dsc ruler Neptune. A Cancer Asc would put her Mars in her H1, which mirrors Jay's Venus-Mars square. Her Dsc ruler Saturn is conjunct Jupiter mirroring Jay's Sun in Sag.
A Cap Dsc would also explain the age gap between her and Jay.

Libra Asc makes no sense at all for me since this would make Mars her Dsc ruler. Mars is in Leo doing nothing in her chart and not mirroring any placements of the people around her.

posted February 22, 2018 11:54 AM            

https://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Marques_Houston

posted February 22, 2018 10:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
This method won't give you an exact degree, but it will give a sign.

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That isn't rectification, but supposition.

Since this post was addressed to me I'll respond again ...

The rising summaries as given by Nine above are too general, yet also too constricting to be useful in serious (professional) rectification work. The descriptions are delivered with an assumption upon the free will of the native that there is no room for individual expression within the expression of the Solar principle for the fixed fire sign Leo, or the Martial principle for the cardinal fire sign of Aries. Rising signs don't give specifics about what a person must be, but a planetary-energy and sign element/quality based principle for the motivation and modus operandi. 30° is wide leeway for a real range of self-expression consistent with that principle, but if you cannot identify the degree area or specific degree of the Asc in a specific horoscope, then the real personality and astrological energies at work within that soul's expression through personality cannot be discerned.

There are a few important things necessary for effective, consistently reliable professional rectification:

1. Declinations must be used in every chart -- natal and predictive. Very, very few astrologers who rectify are using them, or are able to process the added information. It is a challenge and it takes time to learn it.

2. The rectifier must know how to make use of transits (including those in declination) to narrow down the degree range for the native.

3. The rectifier must understand how progressions actually work and how their formations of aspects synchronizes with the in mundi rotation of the radix.

4. The rectifier must avoid the use of symbolic fictions in predictive tools to prevent confusion and misdirection (pun intended) towards an incorrect radix.

5. The rectifier must have advanced beyond intermediate level astrology as commonly taught in modern astrology schools and texts, be able to see the flaws in their various aphorisms and assumptions.

6. The rectifier must be able to have direct communication with the native to hear and understand them in their own words (not astrological terms); or they must know how to categorize and prioritize information about a celebrity and their biography and conduct comparative tests on various possible charts to weed out false ones.

There are more skills to develop, but these are probably the most important groundwork for effective rectification.

The most important thing about Beyonce's rising sign and Asc degree is the internal principle upon which she operates, and how that may be modified and/or determined by important rising planets or planets in angular aspect in her correct birth chart. The planetary positions of relatives can help verify a prospective chart, but do not determine her rising sign. There are many ways that familial bonds can show in synastry with parents, siblings, mate, and children in which the rising sign of the native does not find a match with much or any sign holding a planet in the birth charts of their loved ones. That is where the declinations come in. Planets in Aries can be parallel an Asc in Virgo. Planets in Libra can be parallel an Asc in Pisces.

Rectification is the most difficult work in astrology and it cannot be achieved with simplistic and common notions of the rising signs.

posted February 23, 2018 12:24 PM            

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^^during which time-frame did they date?

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