posted February 24, 2018 04:21 PM            

I know he was having heavy Neptune transits which probably didn’t help with him making the decision to end his life..is there anything you guys can see in his chart that would indicate that suicide was his only way out?

I’m just trying to make sense of all of this!!

posted February 25, 2018 01:17 AM            

I often think that suicide can be either a spontaneous decision when one feels put under a lot of strain at some point in their life.

Or it could be a buildup of things that have been long digesting within that conditions externally, may exacerbate the eventual decision to take ones own life.

Not anyone can do anything to stop and/or save another from these thought patterns. As suicide is a personal decision that is made exclusive of other's input. And its usually made because the individual wants relief from the pain.

Whether the pain is temporary or has been there for long, makes no real difference As it often feels like it is overwhelming.

I will come back to have a look at the chart but I am already getting the feeling that the individual was a bit of a perfectionist? Were they 1984 born?

posted February 25, 2018 03:57 AM            

I have a close friend born 3 days after (October 83 judging by the chart) but with a different ascendant and house placements.

It's a very action-driven chart, and that Scorpio stellium makes for a very focused energy, on top of the fact that the planets involved (sun, mercury and Saturn) are a recipe for huge seriously low self esteem issues, probably connected to the father (as Rosalind said already).

Please be gentle with yourself. His moon was on your North Node. You had a deep connection with him, probably one that led you - or is leading you - to experience emotions in a different way.

posted February 25, 2018 04:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
NN in 8th house squaring the Moon is a clear sign that the native will take his own life. I have seen many natal chart with this aspect and all those people did that.
Too many important planets in 12th house. This person lived too many lives before and was unable to learn his lesson. Therefore, he reincarnated with all his previous karma but his soul couldnt handle it. In this life he had to clear his karma with his father and siblings. I am sorry for your loss.

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posted February 25, 2018 04:06 AM            

This chart has Mars very tightly square the nodes, but not moon.

posted February 25, 2018 04:06 AM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
Can you explain Moon sq NN? Do you mean Synastry, Composite or Natal?
Or do you mean NN sq Mars?

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posted February 25, 2018 12:31 PM            

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Originally posted by maira:
I am so sorry for your tragic loss, words can't even begin to describe it.

No, no one can save another, there is nothing you could have done to prevent this from happening. Be kind to yourself, rest, be with the people you love and let yourself cry and grieve. There is no answer in the charts as to why this happened, but it is my personal belief (and hope) that suffering has a point, a meaning and a purpose; I know that it doesn't feel like this when you're in the middle of it, but it does and someday you'll understand the "why".
Again, I am really sorry for your loss.

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posted February 25, 2018 12:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
The person who killed himself has NN square Moon in the natal chart and in the 8th house. From my experience analyzing other similar charts, that aspect is a clear sign of suicide.

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His moon is in the 8th house along with his NN. Are you talking about his NN squaring his Mars? He shot himself which would be consistent with perhaps a violent death? I’m not sure.

I have a lot if mixed emotions, I’m deeply saddened, but I’m also very angry at him. But I feel like an ass for being angry, he shouldn’t have stayed here in pain just because me & his family wanted him here.

The location he did it in makes so much sense for him. He chose to drive to a fish & wild conservation park very far from where we live. Being in nature was the only place that gave him any sort of peace on earth. So it’s fitting he’d pick a place like that to spend his last days on earth.

It’s just so shocking, he was a very private person & could be so hard to reach at times. I’m trying not to blame myself but maybe I should have asked more questions, checked on him more? I love him so much, lots of people did & I wonder if he knew how loved he was? We worked for the same company we helped each other get the jobs almost 3yrs ago, now when I go to work even though we didn’t work in the same location everything about it reminds me of him.

posted February 25, 2018 12:40 PM            

Thats not the matter. The matter is WHY he did it. We look at the aspect I mentioned above. He was born in this life with too much emotional karma that he couldnt handle. NN in 8th house is dangerous alone but with Moon squaring it in this house... its what we get.

posted February 25, 2018 12:58 PM            

His chiron in the 7th forming that inconjunction to his scorpio stellium and tr saturn opposing his moon I feel paint a picture of heartbreak or deep loneliness and feeling disconnected from others.

February 13th transit moon was in aquarius squaring his scorpio stellium and trining his chiron. Transit moons are fast but can make you extra emotional and might be what pushed him over the edge.

posted February 25, 2018 01:15 PM            

Women when they kill themselves is usually through pills or cutting and they are usually not successful at taking their own life. Women therefore often are believed to be gesturing or crying for help when they attempt suicide. I just think because our nature is less violent to start with we chose methods that tend to have a higher failure rate when it comes to committing suicide.

Men on the other hand who have a long evolutionary history of going to war ect and taking big risks involving their own lives are prone to choosing methods of killing themselves with a much higher success rate such as guns.

posted February 25, 2018 01:28 PM            

Yes I have experienced deep emotional pain in this life and the one time in my life were I felt like every cell of my body was in pain and felt like I was already dead was when transit saturn was squaring my moon while transit pluto was also squaring my moon.

I was in so much emotional pain that part of me wanted to truly die and felt already dead but I never had any intention what so ever to commit suicide, zero intent or plan, it was not a real option for me and never has, I don't want to go out quitting, I think that is my mars in Leo; it has too much pride to go out like that.

I came to this world with the mission of overcoming all my fears and I always had this mentally that what doesn't kill you makes you stronger but I am virgo with a fire mars...he has a water stellium. I knew someone with a water stellium in scorpio who attempted suicide. I think you are more vulnerable emotionally with a water stellium and with the right transits that push you over edge and limited coping skills it can lead to impulsive reactions and decisions like taking your own life away. Eventually things always get better and times does heal but you have to ride it out and some people don't see the bigger picture and get caught up in the moment unfortunately.

posted February 25, 2018 01:44 PM            

The guy I knew with a scorpio stellium that attempted suicide along time ago has mars in gemini and your guy has mars in virgo.

A water stellium combined with a mars been ruled by mercury perhaps equals over-sensitivity and racing thoughts, racing thoughts that get out of control feed your depression further, possibly pushing you over the edge if you are overly sensitive (water stellium) and are dealing with rough transits.

posted February 25, 2018 02:06 PM            

We’re wondering why he wanted them to leave so badly, I don’t know if he would have killed her, & then himself , but she does believe he wanted to get lost in the woods & maybe would have brought up the idea of them dying together. She has a very aggressive illness & has been depressed herself. She said she may have agreed to it. I believe he didn’t approach me with this because I have 2 children that he knows need me & I would have stopped him or at least attempted to.

posted February 25, 2018 02:13 PM            

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Did your guy have a history of childhood sexual abuse? I feel that is a risk factor and puts you at risk of attempting suicide later on in your life too.

I have found that heavy plutonic charts often experience trauma early on whether childhood sexual abuse or loss of a loved one that deeply affected them or other forms of trauma/abuse....

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Honestly I always suspected something may have happened to him but we never talked about. But at one point we did discussed if perhaps he thought he was a sex addict. He had me & his other lover he was seeing consistently, but sometimes he would disappear for a week or two & we knew he’d answer ads on Craigslist for random sex (men & women) and was into a lot of fetish type stuff.

Towards the end I think the only thing that kinda kept him going WAS sex. He really didn’t have any goals or ambition. And I guess once he stopped enjoying sex in his mind what else was there?

posted February 25, 2018 02:35 PM            

If you think about it he had transit pluto hit his moon and then transit saturn was lined up to hit his moon and you can say both are hitting his moon right now so yes this is something that had been brewing for a while. If you also look into the declination transits perhaps there is more reinforcing this theme of depression.

Saturn hitting your moon does often generate depressive symptoms in my own experience, things you usually enjoy you don't anymore.

Saturn numbs your emotions and makes you feel lonely and isolated even when you are surrounded by people when it hits your moon. Emotions specially for a scorpio are a big part of good sex, sex is best when you surrender and there has to be a strong emotional connection for that to happen which can be hard to come by and when saturn hits your moon it can be more challenging to feel deeper emotions, to access your emotions and to connect with others specially when its approaching your moon for the first time in that saturn transit cycle (retrogrades).

He has both pluto and saturn squaring his moon like I did years ago when I was 19. I have to say that combination is brutal, it really sucks, its very painful.

posted February 25, 2018 05:10 PM            

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@babybull

If you think about it he had transit pluto hit his moon and then transit saturn was lined up to hit his moon and you can say both are hitting his moon right now so yes this is something that had been brewing for a while. If you also look into the declination transits perhaps there is more reinforcing this theme of depression.

Saturn hitting your moon does often generate depressive symptoms in my own experience, things you usually enjoy you don't anymore.

Saturn numbs your emotions and makes you feel lonely and isolated even when you are surrounded by people when it hits your moon. Emotions specially for a scorpio are a big part of good sex, sex is best when you surrender and there has to be a strong emotional connection for that to happen which can be hard to come by and when saturn hits your moon it can be more challenging to feel deeper emotions, to access your emotions and to connect with others specially when its approaching your moon for the first time in that saturn transit cycle (retrogrades).

He has both pluto and saturn squaring his moon like I did years ago when I was 19. I have to say that combination is brutal, it really sucks, its very painful.

Add he did not have a purpose and the thing he cared about the most (sex) was no longer giving him that rush. Add that he seems to be someone that had his brain used to immediate gratification and addicted to thrills (thrill seeker) which means the reward system in his brain was all over the place and saturn limits and slows down so you gain a deeper awareness and understanding and work through your emotional issues (moon). Pluto brings to the surface your compulsive nature, addictive tendencies and then saturn wanted him to examine those closely which is a very painful process but rewarding ultimately.

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Speaking of addictions his drinking increased dramatically in the last 18 months. When they found him he had a duffle bag filled with empty beer cans & they were all around him as well.

I have no idea how I’m going to move on from this..I don’t like the depressive state that I’m in now & want to get out of it but when I try to do something I enjoy to take my mind off I get pulled right back in. Also hearing about this was such a huge trigger for me as I have wanted to kill myself too. But obviously I didn’t & made it thru the storm. I hate the helplessness I feel right now.