posted June 19, 2018 07:50 AM            

I agree. about 7th H ruling contracts.

About Chiron, I don't really know much but I haven't heard anyone connect it with medicine and literal wounds. I just remember transit Chiron conjuct my Moon brought so much emotional pain, it took me years to get over it.

Also about Nessus I don't know much too just some have told me that it shows abuse (mental/emotional/physical) in my case is true in 4th H. I don't find anything else in my chart that shows an abusive (mentally and emotionally) mother. *I don't know my mom's exact birthtime

posted June 19, 2018 11:45 AM            

What’s the ruler of your moon?

posted June 19, 2018 09:21 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
I see, about you going through a lot of emotional pain as I said Chiron does also rule pain which is a form of injury in my opinion. Maybe during that time since your moon is in Pisces in the 9h I can see you being drawn to some forms of healing for example astrology, this can be a form of healing. I’ve see astrooogy as a type of healing myself. Chiron is also all about healing and it doesn’t necessarily have to be negative.

What’s the ruler of your moon?

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Well I didn't turn to astrology at that point, it was years ago. Tbh I couldn't heal I just waited some years for it to pass.
I have a very hard time when I lose people I love (literally or not) I can stand my pain's intensity but for that long it destroys me and it isn't worth it being close with someone in the end for me personally. It would be better if it was that intense but for less time or at least if the ontensity was mild for a long time like now.. I guess Saturn in 8th H (too much time) and Pluto square Venus (intesity) are to blame.

posted June 20, 2018 04:20 PM            

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Well I didn't turn to astrology at that point, it was years ago. Tbh I couldn't heal I just waited some years for it to pass.
I have a very hard time when I lose people I love (literally or not) I can stand my pain's intensity but for that long it destroys me and it isn't worth it being close with someone in the end for me personally. It would be better if it was that intense but for less time or at least if the ontensity was mild for a long time like now.. I guess Saturn in 8th H (too much time) and Pluto square Venus (intesity) are to blame.

My chart's ASC is in Cancer so the Moon is my chart's ruler.
My Moon is in Pisces so Neptune rules it.

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Oh wow transit Chiron was right on your chart ruler, did you check your progressed planets? Also transit Saturn in the 8th can be difficult I’ve heard but much more difficult when it aspects a personal planet such as your chart ruler moon in Pisces. Transit Pluto square your venus can be really upsetting I totally understand! I’ve had transit Pluto conjunct my Natal Uranus and Neptune and my progressed venus all at once! And my love life was so intense during that period MY GOD. I changed a lot that’s for sure but my relationships were very unstable and like Pluto (unrequited love scenarios) very much so!

I have transit Chiron in Aries right now. It’s right on my descendant as of this moment it’s also squaring my 7th ruler mars/mercury/Ic/Mc. How do I feel about this? Well I was EXTREMELY depressed in terms of my love life when my progressed Moon in Aries (I felt so hopeless) was aspected by transit Chiron along with my Natal descendant and so forth. So I can understand how transit Chiron conjunct your Natal moon in Pisces must’ve felt, you should look into your progressions, I’d like to know what progressed planets was also aspecting transit Chiron.

posted June 21, 2018 03:14 PM            

Yes transit Chiron on my moon took a long time to heal.
I have the Pluto square Venus,Mars and Jupiter natally same goes for Saturn in 8th H not by transit.

Transit Chiron was conjuct my Moon exact
and opposite progressed Venus and Mars less than one orb.
At the same time Transit Saturn in my 5th H squaring natal Saturn in 8th H.
After that it was transit Pluto conjuct Uranus and opposite Sun (my dad died)
But you know what is the worst? Saturn is on my Sun and 5th H all these last 6-7 years. It started with progressed Sun and ASC opposite progressed Saturn, then progressed Sun and ASC opposite natal Saturn which is still going strong since those move really slow.
And transit Saturn is going to be opposite my Sun and conjuct Uranus in December.
I mean give a break to this poor Sun.
Anyway I had so many difficult transits these years and I will have for the few next ones too..

I had transit Pluto conjuct Uranus and Neptune and opposite Sun on 7th H cusp but for me that was my father's death.

posted June 25, 2018 09:59 PM            

That's awesome that you have VENUS, MARS, JUPITER ALL SQUARE TO YOUR PLUTO! i admire people with pluto aspects to there personal planets; i feel these people can honestly relate to deepness and insecurities such as myself. Also that progression must've been intense with the transit chiron. and awwww i feel you about the sun aspects in transit/progression and tired of deaths, hospitals etc. it sucks. Life is not always fair. Where's your North Node by any chance? do you have NN aspects?

posted June 26, 2018 09:01 AM            

Don't admire people with Pluto-Moon/Pluto-Venus hard aspects. Love is always painfully intense, we are extremely suspicious, and there is a problem of letting go, some also play shady games. There is depth but it makes the native's life difficult because at this age people and things generally tend to be more superficial than they ever were.

About Mars-Pluto hard aspects I would be a fan too, it makes me think that the person has too much energy especially in cases like mine that Mars is in a fiery and fixed sign while Pluto is strong in his sign. Yet I only have excessive energy when I do something I really enjoy (Pluto in 5th H) like dancing (Leo) or puting makeup on (Venus in Leo and 2nd H) I do those for hobby but I swear that most of the time I am lazy, passive and I get tired TOO fast. In fact I could be listening to music while laying on my bed for the rest of my life if I could. That's how low is my energy. I wish the Pluto-Mars aspect was stronger than my Neptune energy

NN is in my 7th H conjuct Neptune opposite ASC 3 orbs :'( I will always be like this.. Neptune makesu life difficult.

Here is my natal chart

posted June 27, 2018 03:29 AM            

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LOL! Thanks for sharing your Natal Plutonian! I’ll definitely take a look at it these next few days so bare with me

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posted June 28, 2018 09:06 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
Yessss and thank you! Anyways i noticed you got a Tsquare with the sun/Nessus/Uranus. Did you have an abusive father? Or did you not have a good relationship with him? Or maybe some loss of contact before he passed away? Or was communication on and off with him? I can see the sudden death here with your father in the Natal. Was he very stubborn/hard edged when it came to your father expressing emotions to you or giving you the type of nurture you expected from him?

I’ve met quite a few people with sun square Nessus and moon square Nessus and they don’t seem to have a good relationship with the father or mother.

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NOOOOO!!! My father is the best thing that ever happened in my life! I can't even begin to tell you how close we were. He also felt that he had only me in this world because we had a special bond, he had a very nice personality too everyone respected him. I can't even begin to describe you how good he was, everyone should have a dad like mine. Sometimes my eyes would be full of tears just because I loved him so much.

posted July 01, 2018 12:37 AM            

She definately doesn't think realistically a d she is delusional. See I have Moon in Pisces and I know that the energy around me affects me.. If it's negative then I'm down or upset (which happens with my mom all the time) if it's positive (rarely that I am alone for a few days or when with friends or my dad or my aunt) I am in a good mood. But I know I am being affected and I absorb the energy around me.. I don't confuse it with my own emotions.. In my mom's case her mercury in Pisces has all the possible negative traits you could imagine. She has no emotional or mental intelligence, she is affected by others (but never her own people) she is kind to others (but never her own people) her mind works so wrong from any point of view she nags for every little thing and she is the kind of person that she never tries anything new.. I can't belive with all that Aries energy and Aqua Venus that she has.. She is worse than me that I have so much water and Saturn in 8th.
Her mercury is exact trine with mine! I have found that no matter the aspects when someones planet is in a "bad" sign then there will anyway be a communication problem.. I strongly dislike Mercury in Leo and Pisces (both make conjuctions and trines with my planets) but I love Mercury in Aqua that makes inconjuctions with my Mercuey/Sun/AsC and no aspect to my Moon.

Something I realised a long time ago is that my mom would do/try nothing in her life. So she thinks that her not making mistakes and playing smart when others make mistakes with their life. Well I realised a few years ago that I was the same at that but in a different way.. I wouldn't try things in order to avoid mistakrs that might hurt me in the end.
Thank God I realised it when I was about 18-20 yo. I didn't feel proud about it I did it just to protect me but my mom feels proud that she hasn't make any major mostakes according to her at least so she always accuses and plays smart with others just to show inferiority.. Another thing she has is that she will say for most people "she has psycological problems it is obvious" meanwhile she might get to that conclusion in the most stupid way you could possibly imagine. For example I once was in a bad mood and I asked her to leave me alone in my room for an hour.. she came there and started saying her bs.. "it is not normal that you want to be alone, you have to go to a psycologist you have mental problems" etc etc.. My aunt and a cousin of mine couldn't believe the bs that would come out of her mouth.. Like someone asks you for water and you start saying them that it is not normal and they have mental problems.. And she doesn't listen to anybody because everybody else isn't as smart as she is.
So back to what I previously said.. She will say for 80% of people she meets that they have psycological problems and when one of them has it she will be like "See? I told you.. I knew it it was pretty obvious, so listen to me when I am saying smth" she doesn't consider the remaining 79% that don't have any problem in the end though..
Anyway.. I have too many things to say about her and in the beginning I thought that it was just me and my personality not matching with hers.. but it turns out that even her brothers who are all a mix of aqua and aries do not respect her nor take her seriously, they just use her and she doesn't even understands it.

On the other hand.. my dad was the perfect human being.. He had both mental and emotional intelligence. He was stable, patient and he was someone you could talk about anything like two grown up people he was reliable and he was serious.. The opposite of my mom. You kniw I look like a copy of my father and most people that knew him and me they would say that I don't only look exactly like him but I am like him internally too. Well I would really like to be like him when it comes to how methodical and patient he was, he would give me non stop without ever asking anything and without ever mentioning it.. giving me emotionla and material support in any way would make him even more happy than it would make me receiving it. I haven't met anyone in my life like my father giving to someone and being so happy never thinking how to take back or rub it on your face when chance is given. When he got sick he would be sad when listening to other girls in the hospital complaining and shouting to their fathers for being there like 3 hours a day for a few days and he would ask me "you are here all day for so many months you are even younger than them and you never complained even with your eyes" I told him that my love for him is waaay bigger than the love that all of this world's daughters have for their parents combined and that he deserved even more than that.

posted July 06, 2018 02:58 PM            

Thanks for telling me everything about your mom's character along with your father as well

about the sun as being the father in astrology, I' am one of those few Astrologers that don't entirely follow that. I always consider the signs, aspects, and houses involved when figuring out the mother/father scenario in the individual's life.

for example, your sun is in CANCER (cancer rules mothers, nurtures, family relatives etc.) and also it is square nessus like you said which is in the 4th house and like you said 4th house does rule mothers as well. I always consider EVERYTHING! I always look for planets squaring to the 4th or 4th ruler or planets in cancer, planets tied to the moon to determine the mother's role or the FAMILY they were brought up in. That's just my take on how I do things but completely respect how you see things.

its cool to see how your moon is in pisces and your sun is in the 12th house which rules neptune/pisces. So its like your father and your mother expressed these piscean charactericts differently.

A pisces positive expresión would be empathy, love, understanding, artistic, spirituality, egoless, and having compassion etc. and its seem your dad has the positive characters of this 12th house/neptune/pisces energy.

and your mother unfortunately seems to have the negative side of pisces which dillusional, two personalities, changing moods all the time, dependency, feeling constantly lost, no opinions etc.

I have a friend who gets easily influenced and i don't think this good for her she has a lot of pisces energy in her chart and not only that she's got DEJANIRA conjunct her ascendant and it makes strong aspects all over her chart. Her chart ruler is mercury in aries retrograde conjunct Juno in aries and VALENTINE IN PISCES! that explains her personality a lot! she is soooo loving, nice, gets influenced by all kinds of people even negative which isn't good because she's got this eternal valentine piscean love for the whole world! lol!! plus she's got mars and venus in pisces in her 10th house as well. She's studying to be a psychologist. When Transit Chiron conjunct her chart ruler mercury she was dating this guy who was sleeping with so many girls she found out at thought she had an STD so she got checked from her doctor and her doctor gave her the WRONG medicine which ended up giving her this pelvic disorder!! (she was disabled for weeks) this so chiron its crazy.