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charlie
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posted July 10, 2018 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are there signs/aspects that are more prone to NOT say these words as if they are somehow above it? Or is this more of a psychological issue?

Let's say you have an argument with Person B. It's all going real swell and is kept above belt UNTIL, Person B blurts out the most hurtful things-out of context-only to hurt you.
You walk away and let things cool off while also expecting some type of an apology, at a later stage. You get none because Person B does not comprehend the magnitude of words that came out and simply wave it off.

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Aries23Degrees
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posted July 10, 2018 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leo placements.

My Dad does not say "Sorry". I don't think that he even understands the concept of building relationships.

He has Uranus/Mercury conj. Can say terrible things. Moon/Sat conj also adds that coldness to what he says.

My sister can also be brutal with words and not know it(Mars- Uranus opp).

Mars- merc
Mars-Moob
Mars-Sun

Uranus-Moon
Uranus-Merc
Uranus-Sun
Uranus-Mars.

You will have to be someone totally tone deaf to other people's feelings. Uranus/Mars can zone one out.

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charlie
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posted July 10, 2018 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Leo placements.

My Dad does not say "Sorry". I don't think that he even understands the concept of building relationships.

He has Uranus/Mercury conj. Can say terrible things. Moon/Sat conj also adds that coldness to what he says.

My sister can also be brutal with words and not know it(Mars- Uranus opp).

Mars- merc
Mars-Moob
Mars-Sun

Uranus-Moon
Uranus-Merc
Uranus-Sun
Uranus-Mars.

You will have to be someone totally tone deaf to other people's feelings. Uranus/Mars can zone one out.


The person I have in mind has got:

Moon conj Saturn
Then there's a "love triangle" (squares) between Mars/Sun/Mercury/Jupiter/Uranus.

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posted July 10, 2018 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bananaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
100% agree with Leo placements. My mother doesn't have this word in her vocabulary

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posted July 11, 2018 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I second Leo aswell!

I have a friend who is so super kind and humble and down to earth. He will never talk ill of anyone, he is always polite and a true gentleman, will hold up doors for you, carry your bag if its heavy without you having to ask him to etc etc. The Libra Venus in him shines very brightly. Until his Leo pride kicks in.

The thing is, this Leo man has Saturn squaring his Sun and quite a strong saturin his chart. You won't know at all that he has a big ego and pride!

I can just write about some frictions we had but they were really small. But for plutonic me with asc in virgo, I sniffed out he has a biig ego very early on. He tries to hide it. Heck I think he does not even know about it himself! One would never guess he has such a pride. He is also uranian.

For ex, if he one day would ignore me or be cold or off for no reason at all, and IF I did not made any scene of it, if I just went away smiling, or looked just sad not angry, he would make sure to be extra warm, friendly and attentive the day after.

That was his way of saying "I'm sorry!".

But if he felt any pressure to be kinder, if he felt like I was "punishing" him for being cold to me etc, he would get very VERY defensive! He would act more cold and be a bit unpolite and all.

Its hard to describe it but it was such a huuge contrast and I had very hard time grasping this before it was too late!

While I just have to talk about things that bothers me, and bring things up, he hated stuff like that. Once he ditched lunch with me, in an indirect manner. And it made me so upset. The day after he was extra kind and attentive, I guess he did not realise he did ditch me before too late. He was all "How are you?" "You look down today? What are you thinking about?" etc. And well I brought it up, just stating "you did this etc etc and it seemed like you did not wanna have lunch with me". Thats all I said. In a very direct, non-messy upfront way. He thanked me for bringing that up, he realy seemed to like my honest way and that I was not emotional or accusative at all. I think his saturnian self apreciated that. But his Leo sun, not so much.

After that day (and some other stuff on top of it), he would often not be extra kind to me after being cold.

While our mutual friend who is an overly critisizing Virgo sun male with strong saturn and overbearing ways, would say "I'm sorry" to my face and by sms if he had acted like a jerk! I mean, he is the type you would never expect would say "I'm sorry"!


Same with one of my closest female friends who has Leo sun. When we were in our twenties, she too would never say I'm sorry when acting bitchy! In fact, once she stopped talking to me, so prideful! And I wrote a poem to her about our friendship and posted it to her, and thats how we made up again hahah!

So well I will say I'm sorry and really mean it and I will do my best to not do it again. I do have a big pride but I'm not above it all! I can swallow my pride very easily now when I'm over twenty haha.

Leos, in my experience, hates saying I'm sorry, especially if they feel you expect it!

So never ever show you expect it, and never punish them, and they will show they are sorry by "showering you" with their Leo light haha

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posted July 11, 2018 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am a virgo with venus conjunct mars in Leo in the 8th and I don't have a problem saying I am sorry and apologizing, I find that it takes courage and strength, self-awareness and intelligence to be able to do that. I don't see it as weakness, I see it a strength.

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posted July 11, 2018 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I am a virgo with venus conjunct mars in Leo in the 8th and I don't have a problem saying I am sorry and apologizing, I find that it takes courage and strength, self-awareness and intelligence to be able to do that. I don't see it as weakness, I see it a strength.

Yes indeed I feel exactly the same! When my friend, (I can call him ”E” here) went too far with his ways , constantly picking at me (he has Mars-moon conj in aries) I got very sad and upset and said ”I won’t talk to you anymore” (I started a thread about it and all haha!). I’m not a drama queen, I won’t cause a scene. When enough is enough I will either act wounded, or state it clearly and go away.

He apologized for hurting me. And the day after he was very careful in his ways and positive and polite. So he really ment it. And by that he really grew in my eyes! Its as you describe it a real strenght in my eyes as well. It made us come closer to each other emotionally.

And well all this made my Leo friend to get even more defensive. He really saw how E and I became closer and I guess he understood it was bc E apologized. So he got jerky and refused to be apologetic to me. Sigh Leo is really prideful. But I love em anyway <3 I love their warmth and how they are so loyal to their ”pack”.

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posted July 11, 2018 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I always thought of this as a Sagittarius thing. They're lighthearted sometimes to the point of tone deafness, they think things should roll off others the same way and so like to move on from difficult things ASAP. Apologizing also has a lot to do with accountability, which contains responsibility.
In a lot of ways, they don't even realize what they're doing, at all, and just thinking of that instant gratification.

Aquarius also comes to mind. Aquarius individuals, (especially sun since it's in its detriment, and they put on an air of indifference). They're also freedom loving and detached, and don't like feeling forced/imprisoned by responsibility, so they'll also tend to go the way of the Sagi.

Now, Virgo and Pisces might apologize just a little too much!

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posted July 11, 2018 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My ex the western sagittarius stellium wouldn’t say sorry
He treated me so badly and couldn’t say sorry
It’s just funny

But I forgive him.. don’t want to get anywhere near him... but I did that to heal and hopefully he healed too.

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Tropical Sun Libra/Moon Sagittarius/Ascendant Gemini

Vedic Sun Virgo/Moon Scorpio/Ascendant Taurus

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posted July 11, 2018 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
I always thought of this as a Sagittarius thing. They're lighthearted sometimes to the point of tone deafness, they think things should roll off others the same way and so like to move on from difficult things ASAP. Apologizing also has a lot to do with accountability, which contains responsibility.
In a lot of ways, they don't even realize what they're doing, at all, and just thinking of that instant gratification.

Aquarius also comes to mind. Aquarius individuals, (especially sun since it's in its detriment, and they put on an air of indifference). They're also freedom loving and detached, and don't like feeling forced/imprisoned by responsibility, so they'll also tend to go the way of the Sagi.

Now, Virgo and Pisces might apologize just a little too much!


Well it depends on where the person is coming from. And now I really simplify things I know its more complex as we humans are complex beings. I guess you maybe can say that fixed signs= prideful. So they do not wanna budge and apologize bc of that and add pride to it=ego.

And I totally can see the mutual signs sagittarius and geminis just shruggs it off and go on. I'm gemini moon and stellium, I can shrugg it off when I interact with my mother, but only with her and my siblings.

I don't agree with virgos being too apologetic, thats more of a neptunian thing. Virgos is often grounded and knows when to say sorry and when its not needed. You see that kind of girls who even say "sorry" when people bump into them!. Or stuff like "I'm sorry but I have to say this or that". Or stating something smart and add "sorry if its not right/offencive" etc.

I'm too much of an Aries and moon-mars to step back like that haha. I say it upfront and directly. And it depends on my mood if I'm very polite or just direct.

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posted July 11, 2018 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
TBF men in general have difficulty saying I am sorry IMO.

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posted July 11, 2018 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Melinn:
Well it depends on where the person is coming from. And now I really simplify things I know its more complex as we humans are complex beings. I guess you maybe can say that fixed signs= prideful. So they do not wanna budge and apologize bc of that and add pride to it=ego.

And I totally can see the mutual signs sagittarius and geminis just shruggs it off and go on. I'm gemini moon and stellium, I can shrugg it off when I interact with my mother, but only with her and my siblings.

I don't agree with virgos being too apologetic, thats more of a neptunian thing. Virgos is often grounded and knows when to say sorry and when its not needed. You see that kind of girls who even say "sorry" when people bump into them!. Or stuff like "I'm sorry but I have to say this or that". Or stating something smart and add "sorry if its not right/offensive" etc.


Good analysis.

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posted July 11, 2018 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mamawolf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I confronted someone a few weeks back about something they had said about my personal life in front of new people...he was kinda smiling not thinking I was serious, then when I kept going he said "Oh, my bad, I didn't know". Come on, sorry is one word and takes less time to say. Way to work around it He also doesn't say you're welcome..just "yeah" or "cool"

Scorpio stellium with Moon opposite Saturn

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posted July 11, 2018 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Melinn:

I don't agree with virgos being too apologetic, thats more of a neptunian thing. Virgos is often grounded and knows when to say sorry and when its not needed. You see that kind of girls who even say "sorry" when people bump into them!. Or stuff like "I'm sorry but I have to say this or that". Or stating something smart and add "sorry if its not right/offencive" etc.


Very true about Virgo, all that.
But my thinking of Virgo isn't a Neptunian type of apologetic, but more to do with orderliness and manners. I've always found Virgos to be very polite and accommodating, which could become extreme in certain cases. From Earth signs, I think of it as a respect for routine, order and sense of responsibility (if they're well adjusted). Second place for me goes to Capricorn, in terms of manners, though in a more stoic sense. Taurus is last for me cause they can be a bit of a slob (I should know...). Underneath all that attention to beauty and harmony is someone who'll talk like a sailor and eat chocolate cake naked in bed :P :P

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posted July 12, 2018 12:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My cappy sister hates to apologize. She will do things for you, or buy you something, but those words will rarely come out of her mouth. She's cappy/pisces/pisces, with Mars in Sadge. Venus opposed Saturn (Aquarius-Leo).

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posted July 12, 2018 06:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
TBF men in general have difficulty saying I am sorry IMO.

Omg yes thats a fact! I totally oversaw that I feel so silly!

I have so far only been apologized to by virgo males with strong saturns. I think its bc Virgo likes improving themselves bc they alway critisize themselves, with saturn in the mix they can really see their bad sides and wanna "fix" tha unbalance if they have acted as a jerk etc.

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posted July 12, 2018 06:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
Very true about Virgo, all that.
But my thinking of Virgo isn't a Neptunian type of apologetic, but more to do with orderliness and manners. I've always found Virgos to be very polite and accommodating, which could become extreme in certain cases. From Earth signs, I think of it as a respect for routine, order and sense of responsibility (if they're well adjusted). Second place for me goes to Capricorn, in terms of manners, though in a more stoic sense. Taurus is last for me cause they can be a bit of a slob (I should know...). Underneath all that attention to beauty and harmony is someone who'll talk like a sailor and eat chocolate cake naked in bed :P :P

Yes you put it so well! I totally agree! Also about taurus being slob eating chocolate cake in bed ahah thats me! My poor virgo asc is horrified by my slobbiness haha! (taurus sun-merc)

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posted July 12, 2018 06:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
My cappy sister hates to apologize. She will do things for you, or buy you something, but those words will rarely come out of her mouth. She's cappy/pisces/pisces, with Mars in Sadge. Venus opposed Saturn (Aquarius-Leo).

To you and her family? I think its a lot of difference how we behave with the apology thing with our family vs friends

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posted July 12, 2018 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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To you and her family? I think its a lot of difference how we behave with the apology thing with our family vs friends

Yep, family. I think I've heard it once, maybe twice. She admitted that she hates to apologize, to admit to being wrong.

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