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Empty Spaces
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posted July 25, 2018 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Empty Spaces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What DO YOU think about Poliamory? *Sorry for the mistake

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"Polyamory (from Greek πολύ poly, "many, several", and Latin amor, "love") is the ability or capacity to love more than one person at a time. ... Polyamory has come to be an umbrella term for various forms of non-monogamous, multi-partner relationships, or non-exclusive sexual or romantic relationships."

People with earth signs + scorpio can handle that?Which sign would be more prone to desire that?

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posted July 25, 2018 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Its hilarious you posted this bc I was just reflecting about this as the guy I am seeing wants a poly relationship. He has Venus in aquarius ruling his 7th and that falls in his 3rd house and opposes his Jupiter in the 9th! Jupiter squares his Pluto on the AC which opposes his Mars LOL.

I have Jupiter as my chart ruler conjuncting Uranus the ruler of my 3rd so on a intellectual level I feel curious and accepting of this life style but my sun in virgo with venus conjunct mars in Leo in the 8th don't feel this is a good fit for me or realistic.

So right before you posted this I went for a walk and decided that this is not for me LOL

I can handle a semi open relationship, like if I know my partner has a strong need for diversity I can allow him to have the occasional one night stand as needed but not a full on second relationship on the side were he can develop romantic feelings for the other bc then My venus conjunct mars in Leo in the 8th will get bored as his attention shifts to another person and I will start craving romance and want the relationship to end bc the deep intense connection we had now is been compromised. I prefer to protect that connection if I finally find something powerful were I have a good sexual life with my partner and feel a strong connection emotionally with them.


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posted July 25, 2018 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^anyways I think him and I will probably last a while as lovers, I get that feeling bc this feels fated and there is a strong connection but ultimately we will probably go our separate ways if having a poly relationship ends up been very important to him bc I am no settleling for that. I decided that just now.

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posted July 25, 2018 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I can handle a semi open relationship, like if I know my partner has a strong need for diversity I can allow him to have the occasional one night stand as needed but not a full on second relationship on the side were he can develop romantic feelings for the other bc then My venus conjunct mars in Leo in the 8th will get bored as his attention shifts to another person and I will start craving romance and want the relationship to end bc the deep intense connection we had now is been compromised. I prefer to protect that connection if I finally find something powerful were I have a good sexual life with my partner and feel a strong connection emotionally with them.

I feel ya Fidelity is so important to me too.

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posted July 25, 2018 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps this is my way of understanding this subject from a limited perspective.

But I often think that someone who wants to be in a relationship with more than one person at a time,is trying to hide from really connecting with any of them.

I am still young at heart(not age). And so my search for attraction, sex and excitement tends to cloud many other qualities that are the stuff of true "relating".

Its OK, given the context of where I am. But to fool another and say that I have a nature that loves more than one person at the same time, would be dishonest. Its lust..nothing more. I just like the " variety" but don't want the judgment.

Like one friend said to another "bisexuality does not preclude one from fidelity". People just want to be seen as an exception to the rule sometimes and " special".

Its lust. Just be honest and say you want to have sex with someone you find more attractive than I. Its OK.

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posted July 25, 2018 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Personally? Never!
Generally? *shoulder shrug*

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posted July 25, 2018 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

But I often think that someone who wants to be in a relationship with more than one person at a time,is trying to hide from really connecting with any of them.


That is EXACTLY what I suspect is happening with this guy I like. I think he doesn't want to get too close to anyone and this is his way subconsciously of achieving this. Its about control and safety and yes diversity too with his placements at first but at the core is about avoiding intimacy, control and feeling "safe" bc if he has a poly arrangement and one checks out there are others he can count on and this makes him feel safe (childhood trauma supports this theory for him).

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posted July 25, 2018 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
TBF in his head he wants to care about all these girls and the girls to care for each other and like each other too, in his head the girls in the poly arrangement are bi and everyone loves each other. I feel he has romanticized the idea of this, is essentially how he is expressing his romantic side (venus in aqua ruling the DC opposing jupiter in the 9th).

BUT I think is a fantasy, I think everyone will end up feeling neglected by him ultimately bc is unrealistic to meet the needs of multiple people, jealousy will be an issue and more people is more drama and work and less time for yourself and less quality time with each. The girls might start to resent him, unite and run off with each other possibly even LOL.

Now if he happens to find 3 girls willing to do this poly thing who are genuinely 100% bi and not just bi-curious and they actually like each other a lot then it could work , sounds very challenging to find that and to sustain long term if it works for a while, hell sustaining one relationship is hard already.

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posted July 25, 2018 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solar_Leo_Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Polyamory, imo, is for people who don't want anything serious at the moment. If you're trying to find something serious, you're only hurting yourself if you get into it. The idea is to explore what you like and what you don't like in a relationship. Hence, the multiple partners. Some people even do it because they might love someone, but that person could not give them something they need that others can. But in general, it is good for people who really don't know what they want in a relationship yet.

Some fall in love with one person in the process and break up with others to pursue monogamy. At the end of the day, it is necessary to have open communication between each of the partners. Also, everyone involved has to consent and know about everything else. Otherwise, it would be cheating.

Me and my boyfriend initially started with this. He was the one that was actually polyamorous. I was allowed to do what I wanted, too, but I could really care less at the time. He just wanted to date me. I just wanted to have sex. He actually explained the idea of it all to me. He has Mars in Cancer, so he really cannot get off of someone unless he has either an emotional or a romantic connection with them. I was more into it for the sexual part. I just wanted an FWB but it turned into something else.

Before, he used to argue with me saying that polyamory is feasible for long-term. Now, he realizes he was wrong. He has Venus in Gemini. He was very anti-monogamy. Not really surprised when he told me he was polyamorous at first.

I have Venus in Virgo and Mars in Libra. I cannot imagine dating just for the sake of dating. I'm anti-anything that is not monogamous. I know exactly what I want in a romantic relationship and don't want anything less. My boyfriend was the opposite. Sex is a different story. My Mars is trine his Venus. Maybe that's why it worked out for a short while.

I only agreed to be in a relationship with him because I didn't think I wanted to be with him like that at all. It changed over time. When I realized I started to develop feelings for him, I freaked out. It became more difficult to deal with the situation until we eventually broke up. We got back a month after and started being monogamous.

I feel that Scorpio or Pluto heavy people will have a much harder time dealing with this. This one girl said she would rather die than be in a polyamorous relationship. She swore she has always have been strictly monogamous. Lots of Pluto in her chart--Scorpio moon, Venus square Pluto, Mercury square Pluto, Sun trine Pluto (wider degree). She also had a lot of Taurus in her chart. I feel like Taurus would hate this type of sh*t too.

I have a loose Venus-Pluto square. Maybe that's why I started freaking out when I found out I had feelings.

I think air venus with no aspects from Saturn or Pluto may have a better time with this, especially Venus in Gemini or Aquarius (unless Venus is in a water house). The fire signs, maybe, but I would imagine them only jumping from one person to the next, or not committing at all.

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posted July 25, 2018 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solar_Leo_Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
TBF in his head he wants to care about all these girls and the girls to care for each other and like each other too, in his head the girls in the poly arrangement are bi and everyone loves each other. I feel he has romanticized the idea of this, is essentially how he is expressing his romantic side (venus in aqua ruling the DC opposing jupiter in the 9th).

BUT I think is a fantasy, I think everyone will end up feeling neglected by him ultimately bc is unrealistic to meet the needs of multiple people, jealousy will be an issue and more people is more drama and work and less time for yourself and less quality time with each. The girls might start to resent him, unite and run off with each other possibly even LOL.

Now if he happens to find 3 girls willing to do this poly thing and are genuinely 100% bi and not just bi-curious and they actually like each other a lot then it could work , sounds very challenging to find that and to sustain long term if it works for a while, hell sustaining one relationship is hard already.


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posted July 25, 2018 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Empty Spaces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Anyways I think him and I will probably last a while as lovers, I get that feeling bc this feels fated and there is a strong connection but ultimately we will probably go our separate ways if having a poly relationship ends up been very important to him bc I am no settleling for that. I decided that just now.

I think you are very open minded Hypatia I wouldn't be able to give anyone a guilt free pass.Fidelity is too important to me.

I don't imagine someone with capricorn planets accepting poligamory.Much less people with strong taurus or scorpio planets! I think they rather die on fear of getting emotionally close than sharing their partner with someone else.

Talking about fidelity yesterday a guy told me he has a sugar daddy and the old man put a tracker on his car.Total fidelity or you have no money! lol It's that normal?Sugar daddies put a tracker on people?

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posted July 25, 2018 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@hypayia238

To the person, it ajways works out to their advantage. And perhaps that's the gist of it? Scorpio thinks of the worst possible outcome and counters it. Whilst Aquarius is always chasing the ideal?

I think Aqua secretly fears being the average Joe(Cap in 12th). So in their warped effort to avoid that, they put themselves in bizarre situations and call it "being unconventional".

In a world where sexual promiscuity is rife, try loving one person. Try putting one person as the object of your attention and being faithful to that commitment. Now that's " unconventional "

Any person can "love" multiple people. Big woop. That does not require effort because you don't have to know them deeply. You can walk away from them all. That's not love. That's diversification meant to self preserve.

But try loving one person in a world filled with temptations. Try choosing to say "I pick you" every single day- especially in moments where they are not being heroic but cowardice or being ass***

The connection I felt with a Libra/Mars in Cancer was intense. So intense that he walked away. But I stayed faithful.

It taught me that love is not lust. Real love outlives EVERYTHING. Its scary deep!

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posted July 25, 2018 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know someone who was poly from about 2007-2015 or 2016, I think. She was in what was supposed to be a serious poly relationship, she got pregnant, they moved to another country - where she was happy for a few years - but he left not long after the baby was born. He went back to their home country.

She was in love with one of her partners before that happened, but he wasn't in love with her. That hurt her a lot, before she finally let him go. I think they're still friends, though.

She got married last year, and loves her husband. they are monogamous.

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posted July 25, 2018 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Empty Spaces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aries13degrees

The first video I watched the man said the same thing you did.He said they are afraid of getting too close,emotionally.

I don't know if that's true but I agree with you for me this is simply LUST.It's about sexual freedom and the possibility of having sex with different people without any concern.
I think they just created a more "beautiful" and acceptable name to describe sex with multiple people.

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posted July 25, 2018 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FatedCinderella     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In case people want to know how it is http://youtu.be/IAE8uQUU4Pw

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posted July 25, 2018 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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@hypayia238

Any person can "love" multiple people. Big woop. That does not require effort because you don't have to know them deeply. You can walk away from them all. That's not love. That's diversification meant to self preserve.


Bingo!

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But try loving one person in a world filled with temptations. Try choosing to say "I pick you" every single day- especially in moments where they are not being heroic but cowardice or being ass***

Beautifully put Aries23!

That is what I am realizing I want and he inspires this in me, I think our Davison and Composite explains why. We have a very plutonic davison/composite and our Uranus is actually conjunct Saturn. I can be faithful to him, I want to be just his.

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posted July 25, 2018 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I think you are very open minded Hypatia I wouldn't be able to give anyone a guilt free pass.Fidelity is too important to me.

I don't imagine someone with capricorn planets accepting poligamory.Much less people with strong taurus or scorpio planets! I think they rather die on fear of getting emotionally close than sharing their partner with someone else.

Talking about fidelity yesterday a guy told me he has a sugar daddy and the old man put a tracker on his car.Total fidelity or you have no money! lol It's that normal?Sugar daddies put a tracker on people?


He is a capricorn with mars in taurus opposite pluto on his AC, he doesn't want the girls to be with anybody else except him and each other. His venus in aquarius ruling the DC and opposing his Jupiter (abundance, need for new experiences and a lot of stimulation, love for things that are shocking) along with that highly sexual aspect on his angles (pluto opposite mars) explains perfectly well his fantasy. I am a realist and I rather have an arrangement that is realistic about his needs and nature that I can live with than ignore his nature and for it to backfire later bc it will. Hence my compromise is that he could have the occasional one night stand as long as is just that bc I am not threatened by that, I am threatened by not owning his heart and by his thoughts/soul not searching for me, if that happens the romance and connection is dead IMO. If he stops longing for me then he is no longer in love IMO (through the lenses of a venus in leo in the 8th with moon in pisces).

^^And if that happens is time to move on...

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posted July 25, 2018 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Empty Spaces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He is a cap? I'm shocked!
I heard some people talking about how girls accept to be in polygamous relationships but men hardly accept it unless the guy is gay and will have sex with the other guy too.

It seems he is only interested on his needs.He wants to be a sheikh! Tell him you are in USA.

Anyways I have some respect for the guys that are sincere about what they want.If you think you can't be loyal better say it right away and not hurt anyone right?At least you give the person the opportunity to leave and not suffer.

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posted July 25, 2018 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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It seems he is only interested on his needs.He wants to be a sheikh! Tell him you are in USA.


I don't know yet but I have a feeling he can be faithful, I have to get know him better to be certain but I have a feeling he can be. I respect he knows himself well and is upfront about what he ultimately wants and I find it fascinating it matches his chart so well. I think if he realizes though that to some extent his attraction to a poly-marriage is bec of his attachment issues from childhood that he can grow out of that need to some extent.

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posted July 25, 2018 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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He is a cap? I'm shocked!
I heard some people talking about how girls accept to be in polygamous relationships but men hardly accept it unless the guy is gay and will have sex with the other guy too.


Women are a lot more prone to been bisexual than men, is bc our brains are more lateralized and interconnected and testosterone tends to make it so men are less prone to been bisexual and more likely to either be straight or gay.

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posted July 25, 2018 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Empty Spaces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I forgot the part about his trauma.I believe everyone can change if they want to.He can heal from the trauma or if that isn't the problem he can change his mind by falling in love with you.It's risky but love always is...

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posted July 26, 2018 01:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Aries13degrees

The first video I watched the man said the same thing you did.He said they are afraid of getting too close,emotionally.

I don't know if that's true but I agree with you for me this is simply LUST.It's about sexual freedom and the possibility of having sex with different people without any concern.
I think they just created a more "beautiful" and acceptable name to describe sex with multiple people.


That's the way I see it, too. I rolled my eyes when people were trying to sell it as real love, about a decade ago. Some still do. They were perfect, because they weren't jealous, and everyone had freedom, and blah blah blah. No.

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posted July 26, 2018 01:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am pan so I can do poly...
I used to take relationships seriously. Now I don't since no one else does. Everyone only cares about themselves so they'll do whats best for them.
And since that is the case,
I can love half assed, too!
SOOOOO...
That pretty much explains it

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posted July 26, 2018 01:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
TBF sex with multiple people is usually a threesome or an orgy, NOT a poly-marriage. A poly-marriage is more than causal sex with multiple partners, if it was just about lust you would just have a three some or orgy, end of story. With a poly-marriage feelings are involved involving all parties and there is a commitment so is not just about the sex. I understand the romantic appeal to it, I just don't think that in practice it would work, I don't judge people for having this fantasy.

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posted July 26, 2018 01:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd prefer to stay monogamous but at the same time
it likely wont last.... as most relationships with my experience don't... they fizzle out.
so...since thats the case. It can be an experience. and also im capable of treating a lover fairly. I got mars libra

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