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Ami Anne
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posted August 02, 2018 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have certain areas in Astrology with which I am fascinated. Chiron is one. I have many articles on Chiron. I am fascinated by Chiron for a number of reasons. One is that pain is very "isolating". In other words, when we feel deep pain, we tend to think we are different and "weird". This makes us run and hide from people. People are what we NEED,not that from which we run.

This insight has taken me a long time to see. I have hidden from people. I have had a false front, as most of us do. The false face is not because one feels superior. It is because one feels ashamed. One is too vulnerable to take "one more hit": one more criticism, one more insult, one more snub. Where does Chiron fit in here? Chiron tells us that we all have pain. Yes, the pain of one person can be different from another. Yes, some people have a great deal more pain than others. However, everyone understands a common language of pain.

This is an article on Chiron, so I will try to give some insights into Chiron. I have an article on Chiron in the houses. I think it explains well how Chiron functions in each house. Knowing your house of Chiron is crucial to understanding yourself. IF your house of Chiron does not fit, "I* think your time of birth may not be correct. Your house of Chiron SHOULD fit your deepest pain. This is my insight from doing thousands of charts.

Another thing I have learned from doing charts is that Chiron in synastry is very "weird". I liken Chiron in synastry to a Mobius strip. It has a strange and unexpected configuration. I learned this lesson from doing many, many charts and seeing Chiron play out in my own relationships. The basic mechanism for Chiron in synastry is that people get very close, very fast. They feel as if they have found their "one and only" romantic partner or they feel they have found their BFF(best friend forever). This seems to last a <strong>short</strong> time. Then, something very, very trifling seems to break them up.For example, one girl may say that she does not like blue cars. The other girl may say that she HAS a blue car. Due to the car color "argument", one girl may never wants to talk the other girl again. Of course, this is a silly example, but it does illustrate how insignificant the "triggering" situation may be.

Chiron in synastry is one of the strangest things I have seen in the charts, if not the strangest. Just a note about Chiron in families. Parents and children, often, have strong Chiron aspects. I don't know why, but the parents and children can still be very close and loving. Perhaps, the family relationships allow for a wider range of behaviors before they break.

Now, I will discuss what happens the cases in which Chiron aspects personal planets in the natal chart. I have several articles on this, so will give a only a brief overview here. It is really fascinating to see Chiron play out in charts. However, it is very, very painful for the client. Chiron in conjunction or hard aspect to Mars seems to make it very hard for the male client to be "male". The struggle seems to be in assertion, particularly when it comes to "chasing" women and being the dominant one relationships. Being male, somehow, equates to pain for these natives. I am not sure how Mars/Chiron functions in the female chart. I have not seen enough female charts with this aspect to speculate.

Another phenomenon I have seen quite a bit is Venus conjunct Chiron in the natal chart. In this case, the native seems to have pain with love. The love seems to be that of romantic love, rather than platonic love or family love, but I cannot say that for certain. In these cases of Chiron/Venus, the native, often, feels hopeless when it comes to love and may,even, give up.It is important to remember that the orb is very important. An exact orb will be very much stronger than a three degree orb or a five degree orb. If anything is exact in the natal chart, there should be a red flag attached to it because it will be a dominant theme.

Chiron conjunct the Sun in the natal chart reveals a relationship with the father that is painful, the closer the orb, the more painful Chiron in hard aspect to the Sun would indicate the same. In the case of the square, the relationship may be more resistant to change and may be more difficult for the native to both see and cope with. With the opposition, the relationship may work, at times. At other times, it may fracture. This is the general mechanism for squares and oppositions in synastry.

Chiron conjunct the Moon reveals a very hard relationship with the mother.


I seem to have discovered the phenomenon of Chiron conjunct the Ascendant. This seems to indicate bullying in almost all of the cases I have seen, especially if the orb is close(1-3)degrees. I have seen one exception, in which the native had a Pluto/Dejanira conjunction, which I have. This makes the native very strong when it comes to bullying. I am very strong when it comes to bullying.


Chiron conjunct the Angles is a fascinating study. I am fascinated by the Angles(Ascendant, IC, Descendant, MC) in the natal chart. They are such, extremely sensitive points. They reveal a great deal about the native. In synastry, if anyone conjuncts the Angles, the native feels it very strongly, for better or worse.
Chiron conjunct the Ascendant seems to indicate bullying, as I said. Chiron conjunct the IC seems to indicate a very painful childhood. Chiron conjunct the DSC seems to indicate a person who is attracted to people with a great deal of pain i.e wounded birds. Chiron conjunct the MC seems to be pain that all the world can see URRGG. Also, this position seems to indicate a person who feels he does not "fit" into his society for some reason.


I think I will end this article now and leave you with a few links. I could go on for days about Chiron. I have other topics which fascinate me, such as the North Node and many of the asteroids. Astrology can never be fully mined. It is like the Bible. One could live for millions of years and still be a humble student. Please, share your experiences, so we can learn together. That is the point!


More in depth information on
Chiron in the Houses
http://mychristianpsychic.com/journal/chiron-in-the-houses/

http://mychristianpsychic.com/journal/your-greatest-wound-the-house-of-chiron/


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posted August 02, 2018 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for areesquivel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Ami Anne, very interesting! got me thinking about my Chiron placements, and you are so right on deepest pain, my Chiron sits on my 8th house in Gemini and to talk about issues with sex specifically was a hard topic, not because I had any experience, but its always been a hard topic. Hard to put into words, late bloomer here so for MOST of my years I was terrified about sex, issues with it.

My most significant relationship was with someone who's Sun and Neptune oppose my Chiron. Hi Chiron conjunct my DSC.

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posted August 02, 2018 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm female and I have Chiron in 10th conjunct moon-mars.

I wish I could come with insights but sorry :/

I have a very diffucult mother. She has taurus stellium and is like a steam cooker. She will hold in and erupt like a volcano. I was away in internate school for 5 years during the age of 13-18. When I moved back home it took my mother and I around 3-5 years to get used to live together. She wants things in he own order. She hates disturbance, she is a nitfreak. She can't stand even a sock lying on the floor. And I'm too much scorpio and mars energy sooo.. yeah its hard.

We had a very calm n good perios when I was 24-29 years old. I thought, finally we get along, she is calmer. But no, thise last 2 years she has been a nightmare, she has menopaus and she has huge problems with my dad, my brothers adn her daughter inlaw, she takes it on, on me. I won't go into details but its really really hard to live with her. Hoping to move out soon!


Pain everyone can see? Maybe my relationship with my mother then?


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posted August 02, 2018 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In synastry, I have my moon-mars and chiron exactly conjunct my crushs IC!, I mean, really exactly. And I have seen his birth certificate in May, so I have exact birth of time.

We felt close very fast yes, and it became better during last autumn. But then at this february along with the eclipses hitting his asc, he has started acting weirder and moodier. But we have saturn double whammy to venus (sextiles and trines) and we are both saturnian, so I guess we feel responsible for each other? He is reliable and I am too. However I'm gonna let it down now and stop holding on to him. I have invested huge amounts of emotions in him and I cant anymore.

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posted August 02, 2018 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lerena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Chiron in 9th house. Even after seeing many interpretations of this house placement, I'm still unable to tell how its placement in 9th house manifests for me. It could be as generic as my incredibly terrible sense of direction. I'm not able to travel alone, and at times, not even locally. I otherwise function very well, but I will get lost if I attempt to go anywhere without the presence of another person. This limits my level of independence and has been a strain on my self-esteem in the past. My self-esteem has improved. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for my sense of direction.

Many people do not take me seriously when I talk about how terrible my sense of direction is. They believe it takes practice to get better with this. On a local scale, this is likely to be a realistic statement. I have definitely improved when it comes to getting around on a local scale. Once the travel leaves the town I live in, however, things become complicated and I'm a lot more likely to get lost.

Would hard aspects from Chiron to Venus make it difficult for a female client to be "female"?

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posted August 02, 2018 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

He himself has chiron on his IC 2 defrees apart, trines his venus, squares his jupiter oppo uranus. His father left him and his mother when he was around 10 years old or so. And he never sees him. Last he saw him was 10 years ago (he is 32 soon). He says he never thinks about his father, he does not care at all but thats even worse, to not deal with ones pain?!

He has a super good relationship with his mother! She had him as her first child when she was 35 years old. To him it seems normal but thats a slightly too old of age for a first mother?. He talks and texts her everyday! visits her helps her out etc. She is that "dream son" every mother would only dream to have, since he is calm and helpful and, never agressive. Maybe Chiron in 4th trine his Venus is representative of their good relationship?

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Ami Anne
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posted August 02, 2018 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So glad you guys like this. We can do other threads on chiron on the angles and other topics.

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posted August 03, 2018 04:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 03, 2018 06:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Somna7H     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's very unfortunate for me.
I have Chiron Conjunct my Asc.
Chiron in 12th.

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posted August 03, 2018 06:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Chiron conj SN, MC, Jupiter 9H Taurus.
Pain for all to see...perhaps. Probably! I work in a very public sector (own company) and I don’t particularly “fit in”. Mostly because I don’t dress like the majority I cater to. My husband “fits in” and I have suffered bullying on numerous occasion because a few more than many humans can’t get into his pants, so they take their BS out on me :-/

I think the SN also being there does NOT make it easier because I’m naturally attracted to certain things and situations I should have grown away from along time ago..

What I witness at work is the very bad sides of Taurus. Sexual deviancy, gluttony, greed, stubbornness. Traits I know all too well :-/ It’s as if I’m repeating my own private past and hell all over again.

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posted August 03, 2018 08:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am sorry SOmna

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posted August 03, 2018 08:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
((((Charlie)))

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posted August 03, 2018 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yanmorg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great post, Ami.

I can tell you’re doing some soul-searching and I’m always down with that.

I have Chiron in Virgo in my 5H.

BUT the interesting thing about my chart is,
I have a Scorpio stellium in the 6H (Virgo energy).

I am very reserved and I do not know how to loosen up to save my life. I can be silly, but there’s always a hint of stiffness.


Also, in synastry, my chiron conjuncts my partner’s Moon and mars in Virgo by 1 degree.

His Saturn trines my Moon, Mercury, Venus, and squares my mars.

My Saturn quincunxes his mercury, squares his Venus, and opposes his mars.

We have a Sun-Venus DW (1 degree and 11 secs from exact).

Plus, a ton of angle connections..

We’ve had so many of those “blow ups” and “explosions” it’s ridiculous.

In realistic terms, it just translates into hurt words and feelings due to arguments. Normal stuff.

Astrology is all facts, but I think the internet exaggerates a lot of things without considering real-life scenarios.

If everyone went by Astrology, word for word, no couples would be together.

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posted August 03, 2018 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Somna7H     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I am sorry SOmna


No need.
May be it's due to bad karma in past life ? 😕
The orb is close near 2°.

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posted August 05, 2018 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yours would count as Chiron conj the ASC(first house) not 12th

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posted August 05, 2018 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Somna7H     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
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Yours would count as Chiron conj the ASC(first house) not 12th


Thank you!

I'm little confused.
I wanna clear this if you don't mind.
If any planet closer to any Cusp but falls in house before that Cusp then we consider the House Cusp ?
For example my Neptune 24°52' in Sag and Uranus 0°46' in Sag.
My Dsc 29°1' Scorpio and 8th start 25°26' in Sag.

So we will consider both Uranus and Neptune in 7th house or Uranus in 7th but Neptune in 8th House ?
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posted August 05, 2018 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chiron conjunct the Sun has nothing to do with pain from my father. We've had our issues, but only one was incredibly painful.

My computer is going to lose its charge, and the charge cord isn't working, so I can't say more right now.

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posted August 05, 2018 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I consider any 12th House planet that is within 10 degrees of the ASC as conjunct the ASC.

I just apply this to the ASC. Others may do it differently.


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posted August 05, 2018 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have an article on Chiron in Relationships in the Interpersonal Forum, if you care to look.

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