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MMarie
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posted October 21, 2018 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MMarie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How important are Draconic charts and do they play a big importance in personality? What about Draconic to natal aspects? I have natal Pluto Conjunct Draconic Mercury exact in Scorpio and natal mercury Conjunct Draconic Jupiter in Virgo. Would these aspects effect my mercury?

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posted October 21, 2018 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think they don't count.

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Aries23Degrees
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posted October 22, 2018 07:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think that they are important. The reason I say this is because I test them with people who have my Draco Asc/Sun or Moon in aspect to their natal planets.(particularly Sun,Moon,Merc,Ven and Mars)

I noticed that in particular, natal Moon in Taurus 0-7 degrees is a strong romantic attraction for me in another's chart because of my Draco Moon in Taurus being there.

And I have said it many times that Sun in Libra 14-20 degrees is also a strong romantic attraction. And that could be because of a number of factors i.e. natal Dsc 20 Lib, Mar in Lib 18 etc.

But I also can't overlook that Drac Sun/ Nep at 13 deg. So this also adds to it.

I look at people that I interact with as "transits". And this works both ways i.e you are also a transit for them and have your natal chart reacting with their draco chart.

My best friend for years has Draco Sun conjunct my natal Sun/Moon midpoint.

Moon/Mercury in his Draco chart conjunct my DSC/Mars and square Moon/Mercury.


His Mars in his Draco conjunct my natal Mars and conjunct my DSC and square my Moon/Mercury

His Draco Uranus is conjunct my natal Moon, square my Asc,Mars and opposed my Mercury

His Draco Pluto in Gemini conjunct my N.Node

His Draco Chiron conjuncts my Sun


Is it all pure coincidence? I think not.

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posted October 22, 2018 08:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sassaqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm just beginning to look at these. There's a fair bit of discussion on the net to draw from. I've just begun.

I've come across people describing it as an undertoe to the natal chart. One person even said that, the natal is the mind and body, the Draco is the soul. which is quite a statement.

See here: http://forums.lovelightastrology.com/thread/134/draco-natal-synastry

I am still learning, have no idea about them. I'm not sure how to think about Draco to Natal, if they are supposed to interlink. And of course synastry, if synastry works from natal to draco. Or draco to draco.

Aries, do you know if or how to do a draco synastry chart? In that link above to a different forum someone seems to have posted an astro.com synastry with dracos? I haven't figured how to do this.

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Aries23Degrees
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posted October 22, 2018 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know that astro.com has an option like that. I have been exploring it for some time time back and forth: matching the significance of close people to it etc.

Under astro.com

* got to horoscope
*charts and drawings
*extended chart selection
*enter data on the relevant page
*go to sections and choose chart type
*choose comparison natal-draconic.

It will run the chart

I look at angles of natal to Draconic and angles of Draconic to natal. Its an exploration exercise and the results are quite surprising.

For me, the Draco chart is a continuation of the same story told by the natal- but the Draco story is older and resembles the intent and "unfiltered" version. But neither one is "superior" to the other.

What is important is what you gather from it because in my case,the Sun/Moon combo in the draconic is accurate . In that I mean that my partner is likely to resemble the Draconic chart placements more because of its "older" familiarity

I have also checked for family members and its the same accuracy. Specifically when there are links with Sun/Moon,Sun/Asc, Moon/Asc between natal/draco or draco-draco.

My Mom and Dad have a Sun-Moon link in Gemini. I have a Sun-Moon link in Taurus with my younger sister.

Pay attention to signs that repeat from the natal to the draconic i.e natal Mars in Libra, Draco Sun-Jup-Nep in Libra etc. As these energies will find heightened expression.

For starters, look only to Sun/Moon and Asc. Do a comparison.Then move on to Mercury,Venus and Mars.

The friend I mentioned is strongly intellectually inclined. So I sat up and took notice when I saw that his Draco Sun,Moon, Mercury and Mars in Libra air with Pluto in Gemini.

I also looked at "father of the nation" icon Nelson Mandela and know that his nat Sun is in Cancer with Asc in Sag- often a humanitarian combo.

But I was also looking for Aqua to show somewhere to explain the "brotherhood" mentality he had for all people(including those who imprisoned him)

Draco Moon in Aqua,Venus in Libra with Mars in Cancer(Cancer is repeated which emphasizes the "I care" nature exhibited by him) and Pluto in Libra(repeated from natal Mars in Libra)

What I found worthwhile to pen is that he married 3 times. The 2 wives were Libra Sun- which goes well with his draco Aqua Moon and Libra Venus.

So I expect that my mate will either have Draco Moon in Sag/fire or I will end up marrying an earth natal Sun sign(matching with Draco Moon in earthy Tau)

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posted October 22, 2018 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sassaqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thats all very interesting Aries23Degrees. Thanks for explaining.

Here's a link to another thread in LL: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/010593.html

I think that compare natal to droco on astro.com is only for one person. It's not synastry. Have to do it the hard way then

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posted October 22, 2018 11:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MMarie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes thank you Aries23degrees for explaining and Sassaqua for the links! I posted in another thread about having a Leo stellium and not always relating to Leo traits but maybe this could be one piece of the puzzle - in Draco I have a Virgo stellium. Maybe this comes through in personality a bit? Synastry is then another thing, between Draco/Draco & Draco/natal...very interesting!

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posted October 24, 2018 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No problem.

And I may sound completely off the tangent when I say that I think of the Draconic placements as the age old "you".

And as one develops a thorough understanding of the motives that underline choices made in life, its energies become clear.

This is particularly so when one considers the Sun/Moon/Asc in the draconic chart.

I worry a lot about the ills of mankind and yearn for unity and brother/sisterhood across all nations. Something I have yearned for since childhood.

And I know that most people do too. But this is different in my case as its far more personal in everyday matters. As I tend to empathize with those whom are discriminated against so much, that I take on their struggle as my own at work.

A world of justice,fairness,true equality and respect for each other's differences is what I dream about. And yes, the John Lennon song " Imagine" (not the Libra/ Aqua Moon and Aries rising man himself), makes me cry.

I attribute this sentimentality to such ideals to my Draco Asc in Aqua/Sun in Libra mix.

News on TV about discord,misunderstandings and killings surrounding race,religion, sexual orientation etc. Disturb me deeply

Friends have termed me "the activist". Lol. But even with this being said, I am slow to get all my head in it.

I am weary of disturbing the " peace" of my life by petitioning and being a more vocal person in higher platforms like getting into politics etc.

This could be explained by my Draco Moon in Taurus square to Asc. And perhaps even my Scorpio Mc- which may prefer to work for change in less "well lit" platforms I guess.

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posted November 28, 2019 01:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've posted on Draconic synastry before in some other threads but can't find them so bumping up this thread instead.

@Aries23, do you only compare Sun-Moon-ASC? How about other aspects?

With my guy, we have:

dr Sun opposite dr Sun
dr ASC trine dr ASC
Our dr Moons both in Aries
His dr Mars conjunct my dr IC
My dr Jupiter conjunct his dr IC

dr Venus conjunct dr Vertex DW
- This is why we feel that our meeting was so fated and our falling in love was so unavoidable. We don't have otherwise significant Vertex contacts in Tropical synastry.

dr Jupiter trine dr Moon DW
dr Jupiter opp/sextile dr Venus DW
dr Saturn square/trine dr Venus DW

His dr Moon/Pluto/NN conjunct my dr DSC/NN
My dr Venus conjunct his dr Chiron
His dr Venus conjunct my dr Pluto

We also have lotsa conjunctions from Draconic to Tropical:

Our dr Junos conjunct each other's natal Suns
- We see each other as ideal partners. We don't have significant Juno contacts in Synastry otherwise, except my Juno trine his Sun.

His dr ASC conjunct my natal Juno & SN
His dr Jupiter/Mars conjunct my natal Moon
His dr Moon conjunct my natal Anti-Vertex

My dr ASC conjunct his natal s/m midpoint & Psyche
My dr Sun conjunct his natal Mercury (DSC/MC ruler)
My dr Moon conjunct his natal SN
My dr Venus conjunct his natal Moon/Pluto/NN
My dr Mercury conjunct his natal Sun
My dr Mars conjunct his natal Mars


It's been 1yr 7mths since I met him and I can safely say now that we have a really special, loving and comfortable connection. It's not easy for me to find such a connection with anyone as I can be quite hard to please (haha).


I'll like to also hear others' thoughts with their Draconic synastry findings.

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posted November 28, 2019 02:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I’m not sure how to adequately cross-pollinate these two systems aside from having wild imagination ...but there are certain patterns that stand out in Draconic charts that don’t seem like coincidence, for instance conjunctions between the two. Considering it’s the same birthdate just a different calculation based off the polarity of the nodes, shouldn’t be surprised at particular harmonies in time/space... but I wonder why the equinox (Aries 0) for the plane of reference? Like as the “relocation chart” to eternity? The house system shouldn’t be considered if this is just the case, which puts the angles up for question... At least with natal charts it’s geocentric, I was born “here”, Sun is in the X House bc I was born at X o’clock .. maybe that’s what makes Draconic conjunctions more peculiar.

The tightest planetary aspect I have in my natal chart is Venus opposite Jupiter; in my Draconic, the ASC falls exactly on this natal Jupiter.

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posted November 28, 2019 02:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sassaqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've found it uncanny when comparing draco to the composite chart.

It may be interesting to compare between family members also.

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posted November 28, 2019 05:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thereaper95     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I got Natal Pluto Scorpio conjunct Draco Sun
Natal Sun Gemini conjunct Draco Uranus

Sombody can explain those two aspects to me?

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posted November 28, 2019 05:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
I've posted on Draconic synastry before in some other threads but can't find them so bumping up this thread instead.

@Aries23, do you only compare Sun-Moon-ASC? How about other aspects?

With my guy, we have:

dr Sun opposite dr Sun
dr ASC trine dr ASC
Our dr Moons both in Aries
His dr Mars conjunct my dr IC
My dr Jupiter conjunct his dr IC

dr Venus conjunct dr Vertex DW
- This is why we feel that our meeting was so fated and our falling in love was so unavoidable. We don't have otherwise significant Vertex contacts in Tropical synastry.

dr Jupiter trine dr Moon DW
dr Jupiter opp/sextile dr Venus DW
dr Saturn square/trine dr Venus DW

His dr Moon/Pluto/NN conjunct my dr DSC/NN
My dr Venus conjunct his dr Chiron
His dr Venus conjunct my dr Pluto

We also have lotsa conjunctions from Draconic to Tropical:

Our dr Junos conjunct each other's natal Suns
- We see each other as ideal partners. We don't have significant Juno contacts in Synastry otherwise, except my Juno trine his Sun.

His dr ASC conjunct my natal Juno & SN
His dr Jupiter/Mars conjunct my natal Moon
His dr Moon conjunct my natal Anti-Vertex

My dr ASC conjunct his natal s/m midpoint & Psyche
My dr Sun conjunct his natal Mercury (DSC/MC ruler)
My dr Moon conjunct his natal SN
My dr Venus conjunct his natal Moon/Pluto/NN
My dr Mercury conjunct his natal Sun
My dr Mars conjunct his natal Mars


It's been 1yr 7mths since I met him and I can safely say now that we have a really special, loving and comfortable connection. It's not easy for me to find such a connection with anyone as I can be quite hard to please (haha).


I'll like to also hear others' thoughts with their Draconic synastry findings.


No.Its not just Sun/Moon Asc.I was speaking in terms of
the natal chart. That was just the beginning.

I have Dsc in Libra and a very good friend has Draconic stellium of Moon/Mercury/Mars there.

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posted November 29, 2019 01:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
No.Its not just Sun/Moon Asc.I was speaking in terms of
the natal chart. That was just the beginning.

I have Dsc in Libra and a very good friend has Draconic stellium of Moon/Mercury/Mars there.


Do you feel a difference between someone putting their draconic planets there vs someone putting their tropical natal planets there?

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posted November 29, 2019 04:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by vansio:
I’m not sure how to adequately cross-pollinate these two systems aside from having wild imagination ...but there are certain patterns that stand out in Draconic charts that don’t seem like coincidence, for instance conjunctions between the two. Considering it’s the same birthdate just a different calculation based off the polarity of the nodes, shouldn’t be surprised at particular harmonies in time/space... but I wonder why the equinox (Aries 0) for the plane of reference? Like as the “relocation chart” to eternity? The house system shouldn’t be considered if this is just the case, which puts the angles up for question... At least with natal charts it’s geocentric, I was born “here”, Sun is in the X House bc I was born at X o’clock .. maybe that’s what makes Draconic conjunctions more peculiar.

The tightest planetary aspect I have in my natal chart is Venus opposite Jupiter; in my Draconic, the ASC falls exactly on this natal Jupiter.


These will give you an overview -
http://www.falconastrology.com/draconic.html#syn
https://feystrology.tumblr.com/post/123631437166/draconic
https://www.astrologicalassociation.com/students/draconic_astrology.php

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posted November 29, 2019 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not sure I can make a case for my Draconic. I do have Cap Asc, Mars there which might correspond to my Natal Cap Moon but besides that nothing is similar.
Do I feel like a Gem Moon and Sag Sun, Venus, Mercury, Saturn (draconic)? No. Do I attract these 2 signs? No.
Do I attract Cappies? No. Do I attract Cancers? No.

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posted November 29, 2019 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dons2angelss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've asked about this before too. My son's natal and draconic charts are exactly opposite each other because of his natal south node being at 29 pisces. I can't find much on the comparisons.

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posted November 30, 2019 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Do you feel a difference between someone putting their draconic planets there vs someone putting their tropical natal planets there?

I prefer the Draco planets on my Natal Dsc tbh. I think its very significant in a way I haven't quite figured out

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posted November 30, 2019 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MMarie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I prefer the Draco planets on my Natal Dsc tbh. I think its very significant in a way I haven't quite figured out


So I should feel someone’s Draconic Venus/mercury/Juno conjunct my natal IC (almost exact)? Or there should be some sort of effect? For both people or just the natal person?

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posted November 30, 2019 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nadja     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about cases when draconic and natal charts are almost completely the same. I have NN in early Aries so the differences are minimal for me.

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posted December 02, 2019 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MMarie:
So I should feel someone’s Draconic Venus/mercury/Juno conjunct my natal IC (almost exact)? Or there should be some sort of effect? For both people or just the natal person?

The person with the natal feels it I think.It feels very familiar when on the Ic.

Tbh,I haven't done extensive research on this. So it will need more investigating.

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