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Topic: Draconic to Natal aspects
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MMarie Knowflake Posts: 756 From: Registered: Aug 2018
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posted October 21, 2018 04:43 PM
How important are Draconic charts and do they play a big importance in personality? What about Draconic to natal aspects? I have natal Pluto Conjunct Draconic Mercury exact in Scorpio and natal mercury Conjunct Draconic Jupiter in Virgo. Would these aspects effect my mercury? IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 7530 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted October 21, 2018 05:27 PM
I think they don't count. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 8059 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted October 22, 2018 07:21 AM
I think that they are important. The reason I say this is because I test them with people who have my Draco Asc/Sun or Moon in aspect to their natal planets.(particularly Sun,Moon,Merc,Ven and Mars)I noticed that in particular, natal Moon in Taurus 0-7 degrees is a strong romantic attraction for me in another's chart because of my Draco Moon in Taurus being there. And I have said it many times that Sun in Libra 14-20 degrees is also a strong romantic attraction. And that could be because of a number of factors i.e. natal Dsc 20 Lib, Mar in Lib 18 etc. But I also can't overlook that Drac Sun/ Nep at 13 deg. So this also adds to it. I look at people that I interact with as "transits". And this works both ways i.e you are also a transit for them and have your natal chart reacting with their draco chart. My best friend for years has Draco Sun conjunct my natal Sun/Moon midpoint. Moon/Mercury in his Draco chart conjunct my DSC/Mars and square Moon/Mercury. His Mars in his Draco conjunct my natal Mars and conjunct my DSC and square my Moon/Mercury
His Draco Uranus is conjunct my natal Moon, square my Asc,Mars and opposed my Mercury His Draco Pluto in Gemini conjunct my N.Node His Draco Chiron conjuncts my Sun Is it all pure coincidence? I think not.
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sassaqua Knowflake Posts: 977 From: Oz Registered: May 2011
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posted October 22, 2018 08:15 AM
I'm just beginning to look at these. There's a fair bit of discussion on the net to draw from. I've just begun.I've come across people describing it as an undertoe to the natal chart. One person even said that, the natal is the mind and body, the Draco is the soul. which is quite a statement. See here: http://forums.lovelightastrology.com/thread/134/draco-natal-synastry I am still learning, have no idea about them. I'm not sure how to think about Draco to Natal, if they are supposed to interlink. And of course synastry, if synastry works from natal to draco. Or draco to draco. Aries, do you know if or how to do a draco synastry chart? In that link above to a different forum someone seems to have posted an astro.com synastry with dracos? I haven't figured how to do this.
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Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 8059 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted October 22, 2018 09:55 AM
I know that astro.com has an option like that. I have been exploring it for some time time back and forth: matching the significance of close people to it etc. Under astro.com * got to horoscope *charts and drawings *extended chart selection *enter data on the relevant page *go to sections and choose chart type *choose comparison natal-draconic. It will run the chart I look at angles of natal to Draconic and angles of Draconic to natal. Its an exploration exercise and the results are quite surprising. For me, the Draco chart is a continuation of the same story told by the natal- but the Draco story is older and resembles the intent and "unfiltered" version. But neither one is "superior" to the other. What is important is what you gather from it because in my case,the Sun/Moon combo in the draconic is accurate . In that I mean that my partner is likely to resemble the Draconic chart placements more because of its "older" familiarity I have also checked for family members and its the same accuracy. Specifically when there are links with Sun/Moon,Sun/Asc, Moon/Asc between natal/draco or draco-draco. My Mom and Dad have a Sun-Moon link in Gemini. I have a Sun-Moon link in Taurus with my younger sister. Pay attention to signs that repeat from the natal to the draconic i.e natal Mars in Libra, Draco Sun-Jup-Nep in Libra etc. As these energies will find heightened expression. For starters, look only to Sun/Moon and Asc. Do a comparison.Then move on to Mercury,Venus and Mars. The friend I mentioned is strongly intellectually inclined. So I sat up and took notice when I saw that his Draco Sun,Moon, Mercury and Mars in Libra air with Pluto in Gemini. I also looked at "father of the nation" icon Nelson Mandela and know that his nat Sun is in Cancer with Asc in Sag- often a humanitarian combo. But I was also looking for Aqua to show somewhere to explain the "brotherhood" mentality he had for all people(including those who imprisoned him) Draco Moon in Aqua,Venus in Libra with Mars in Cancer(Cancer is repeated which emphasizes the "I care" nature exhibited by him) and Pluto in Libra(repeated from natal Mars in Libra) What I found worthwhile to pen is that he married 3 times. The 2 wives were Libra Sun- which goes well with his draco Aqua Moon and Libra Venus. So I expect that my mate will either have Draco Moon in Sag/fire or I will end up marrying an earth natal Sun sign(matching with Draco Moon in earthy Tau)
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sassaqua Knowflake Posts: 977 From: Oz Registered: May 2011
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posted October 22, 2018 10:29 PM
Thats all very interesting Aries23Degrees. Thanks for explaining.Here's a link to another thread in LL: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/010593.html I think that compare natal to droco on astro.com is only for one person. It's not synastry. Have to do it the hard way then
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MMarie Knowflake Posts: 756 From: Registered: Aug 2018
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posted October 22, 2018 11:30 PM
Yes thank you Aries23degrees for explaining and Sassaqua for the links! I posted in another thread about having a Leo stellium and not always relating to Leo traits but maybe this could be one piece of the puzzle - in Draco I have a Virgo stellium. Maybe this comes through in personality a bit? Synastry is then another thing, between Draco/Draco & Draco/natal...very interesting! IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 8059 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted October 24, 2018 04:35 PM
No problem.And I may sound completely off the tangent when I say that I think of the Draconic placements as the age old "you". And as one develops a thorough understanding of the motives that underline choices made in life, its energies become clear. This is particularly so when one considers the Sun/Moon/Asc in the draconic chart. I worry a lot about the ills of mankind and yearn for unity and brother/sisterhood across all nations. Something I have yearned for since childhood. And I know that most people do too. But this is different in my case as its far more personal in everyday matters. As I tend to empathize with those whom are discriminated against so much, that I take on their struggle as my own at work. A world of justice,fairness,true equality and respect for each other's differences is what I dream about. And yes, the John Lennon song " Imagine" (not the Libra/ Aqua Moon and Aries rising man himself), makes me cry. I attribute this sentimentality to such ideals to my Draco Asc in Aqua/Sun in Libra mix. News on TV about discord,misunderstandings and killings surrounding race,religion, sexual orientation etc. Disturb me deeply Friends have termed me "the activist". Lol. But even with this being said, I am slow to get all my head in it. I am weary of disturbing the " peace" of my life by petitioning and being a more vocal person in higher platforms like getting into politics etc. This could be explained by my Draco Moon in Taurus square to Asc. And perhaps even my Scorpio Mc- which may prefer to work for change in less "well lit" platforms I guess. IP: Logged |
Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 2305 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted November 28, 2019 01:02 AM
I've posted on Draconic synastry before in some other threads but can't find them so bumping up this thread instead.@Aries23, do you only compare Sun-Moon-ASC? How about other aspects? With my guy, we have: dr Sun opposite dr Sun dr ASC trine dr ASC Our dr Moons both in Aries His dr Mars conjunct my dr IC My dr Jupiter conjunct his dr IC dr Venus conjunct dr Vertex DW - This is why we feel that our meeting was so fated and our falling in love was so unavoidable. We don't have otherwise significant Vertex contacts in Tropical synastry. dr Jupiter trine dr Moon DW dr Jupiter opp/sextile dr Venus DW dr Saturn square/trine dr Venus DW His dr Moon/Pluto/NN conjunct my dr DSC/NN My dr Venus conjunct his dr Chiron His dr Venus conjunct my dr Pluto We also have lotsa conjunctions from Draconic to Tropical: Our dr Junos conjunct each other's natal Suns - We see each other as ideal partners. We don't have significant Juno contacts in Synastry otherwise, except my Juno trine his Sun. His dr ASC conjunct my natal Juno & SN His dr Jupiter/Mars conjunct my natal Moon His dr Moon conjunct my natal Anti-Vertex My dr ASC conjunct his natal s/m midpoint & Psyche My dr Sun conjunct his natal Mercury (DSC/MC ruler) My dr Moon conjunct his natal SN My dr Venus conjunct his natal Moon/Pluto/NN My dr Mercury conjunct his natal Sun My dr Mars conjunct his natal Mars It's been 1yr 7mths since I met him and I can safely say now that we have a really special, loving and comfortable connection. It's not easy for me to find such a connection with anyone as I can be quite hard to please (haha).
I'll like to also hear others' thoughts with their Draconic synastry findings.
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vansio Knowflake Posts: 596 From: Registered: Dec 2017
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posted November 28, 2019 02:42 AM
I’m not sure how to adequately cross-pollinate these two systems aside from having wild imagination ...but there are certain patterns that stand out in Draconic charts that don’t seem like coincidence, for instance conjunctions between the two. Considering it’s the same birthdate just a different calculation based off the polarity of the nodes, shouldn’t be surprised at particular harmonies in time/space... but I wonder why the equinox (Aries 0) for the plane of reference? Like as the “relocation chart” to eternity? The house system shouldn’t be considered if this is just the case, which puts the angles up for question... At least with natal charts it’s geocentric, I was born “here”, Sun is in the X House bc I was born at X o’clock .. maybe that’s what makes Draconic conjunctions more peculiar. The tightest planetary aspect I have in my natal chart is Venus opposite Jupiter; in my Draconic, the ASC falls exactly on this natal Jupiter. IP: Logged |
sassaqua Knowflake Posts: 977 From: Oz Registered: May 2011
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posted November 28, 2019 02:52 AM
I've found it uncanny when comparing draco to the composite chart.It may be interesting to compare between family members also.
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thereaper95 Knowflake Posts: 90 From: Albania Registered: Dec 2017
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posted November 28, 2019 05:28 AM
I got Natal Pluto Scorpio conjunct Draco Sun Natal Sun Gemini conjunct Draco UranusSombody can explain those two aspects to me?
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Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 8059 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted November 28, 2019 05:46 AM
quote: Originally posted by Hikaru29: I've posted on Draconic synastry before in some other threads but can't find them so bumping up this thread instead.@Aries23, do you only compare Sun-Moon-ASC? How about other aspects? With my guy, we have: dr Sun opposite dr Sun dr ASC trine dr ASC Our dr Moons both in Aries His dr Mars conjunct my dr IC My dr Jupiter conjunct his dr IC dr Venus conjunct dr Vertex DW - This is why we feel that our meeting was so fated and our falling in love was so unavoidable. We don't have otherwise significant Vertex contacts in Tropical synastry. dr Jupiter trine dr Moon DW dr Jupiter opp/sextile dr Venus DW dr Saturn square/trine dr Venus DW His dr Moon/Pluto/NN conjunct my dr DSC/NN My dr Venus conjunct his dr Chiron His dr Venus conjunct my dr Pluto We also have lotsa conjunctions from Draconic to Tropical: Our dr Junos conjunct each other's natal Suns - We see each other as ideal partners. We don't have significant Juno contacts in Synastry otherwise, except my Juno trine his Sun. His dr ASC conjunct my natal Juno & SN His dr Jupiter/Mars conjunct my natal Moon His dr Moon conjunct my natal Anti-Vertex My dr ASC conjunct his natal s/m midpoint & Psyche My dr Sun conjunct his natal Mercury (DSC/MC ruler) My dr Moon conjunct his natal SN My dr Venus conjunct his natal Moon/Pluto/NN My dr Mercury conjunct his natal Sun My dr Mars conjunct his natal Mars It's been 1yr 7mths since I met him and I can safely say now that we have a really special, loving and comfortable connection. It's not easy for me to find such a connection with anyone as I can be quite hard to please (haha).
I'll like to also hear others' thoughts with their Draconic synastry findings.
No.Its not just Sun/Moon Asc.I was speaking in terms of the natal chart. That was just the beginning. I have Dsc in Libra and a very good friend has Draconic stellium of Moon/Mercury/Mars there. IP: Logged |
Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 2305 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted November 29, 2019 01:53 AM
quote: Originally posted by Aries23Degrees: No.Its not just Sun/Moon Asc.I was speaking in terms of the natal chart. That was just the beginning.I have Dsc in Libra and a very good friend has Draconic stellium of Moon/Mercury/Mars there.
Do you feel a difference between someone putting their draconic planets there vs someone putting their tropical natal planets there? IP: Logged |
Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 2305 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted November 29, 2019 04:26 AM
quote: Originally posted by vansio: I’m not sure how to adequately cross-pollinate these two systems aside from having wild imagination ...but there are certain patterns that stand out in Draconic charts that don’t seem like coincidence, for instance conjunctions between the two. Considering it’s the same birthdate just a different calculation based off the polarity of the nodes, shouldn’t be surprised at particular harmonies in time/space... but I wonder why the equinox (Aries 0) for the plane of reference? Like as the “relocation chart” to eternity? The house system shouldn’t be considered if this is just the case, which puts the angles up for question... At least with natal charts it’s geocentric, I was born “here”, Sun is in the X House bc I was born at X o’clock .. maybe that’s what makes Draconic conjunctions more peculiar. The tightest planetary aspect I have in my natal chart is Venus opposite Jupiter; in my Draconic, the ASC falls exactly on this natal Jupiter.
These will give you an overview - http://www.falconastrology.com/draconic.html#syn https://feystrology.tumblr.com/post/123631437166/draconic https://www.astrologicalassociation.com/students/draconic_astrology.php IP: Logged |
charlie Knowflake Posts: 4874 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted November 29, 2019 07:20 AM
Not sure I can make a case for my Draconic. I do have Cap Asc, Mars there which might correspond to my Natal Cap Moon but besides that nothing is similar. Do I feel like a Gem Moon and Sag Sun, Venus, Mercury, Saturn (draconic)? No. Do I attract these 2 signs? No. Do I attract Cappies? No. Do I attract Cancers? No. LOL IP: Logged |
Dons2angelss Knowflake Posts: 649 From: Virginia, US Registered: Jan 2019
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posted November 29, 2019 12:52 PM
I've asked about this before too. My son's natal and draconic charts are exactly opposite each other because of his natal south node being at 29 pisces. I can't find much on the comparisons. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 8059 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted November 30, 2019 10:19 AM
quote: Originally posted by Hikaru29: Do you feel a difference between someone putting their draconic planets there vs someone putting their tropical natal planets there?
I prefer the Draco planets on my Natal Dsc tbh. I think its very significant in a way I haven't quite figured out IP: Logged |
MMarie Knowflake Posts: 756 From: Registered: Aug 2018
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posted November 30, 2019 12:19 PM
quote: Originally posted by Aries23Degrees: I prefer the Draco planets on my Natal Dsc tbh. I think its very significant in a way I haven't quite figured out
So I should feel someone’s Draconic Venus/mercury/Juno conjunct my natal IC (almost exact)? Or there should be some sort of effect? For both people or just the natal person? IP: Logged |
Nadja Knowflake Posts: 377 From: Finland Registered: Nov 2018
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posted November 30, 2019 02:25 PM
What about cases when draconic and natal charts are almost completely the same. I have NN in early Aries so the differences are minimal for me.IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 8059 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted December 02, 2019 02:25 PM
quote: Originally posted by MMarie: So I should feel someone’s Draconic Venus/mercury/Juno conjunct my natal IC (almost exact)? Or there should be some sort of effect? For both people or just the natal person?
The person with the natal feels it I think.It feels very familiar when on the Ic. Tbh,I haven't done extensive research on this. So it will need more investigating. IP: Logged |
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