posted December 06, 2018 12:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
4th house Aqua Sun conjunct Neptune, Uranus, Mercury
Scorpio Rising conjunct Mars exact (Dom planet)
8th house Gem Moon intercepted, opposite Pluto by 0 degrees 01'

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Ohh I’m an Aquarius moon and rising and Im a Pisces ..and your sun is conjunct Neptune and you have water houses so do I so maybe that’s why

posted December 06, 2018 02:49 AM            

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As heavy air and fire myself, I don't think feelings = deep, quite the opposite in fact. Any babe can feel. Of course it CAN be, but just because it seems so intense to the person experiencing it doesn't necessarily make it deep or true, only to seem like it, just as being able to feel your emotions more than someone else expresses doesn't necessarily mean that you feel so much more than they do.

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Yes, this seems to be true.

Another example I have off the top of my head = drug addicts or chronic weed smokers. Literally any time they feel anything, they think it is so intense, that they then seek to numb it.

Anybody who isn't an addict, feels these normal things on a day to day basis: anxiety, sadness, some kind of depression, hardships of breakups or family issues, frustrations from work. Barring real disordered afflictions, by feeling what they feel, without too many buffers, they learn to become emotionally stronger, and more tolerant and mature when these things come around. We learn how to deal.

Whereas the addict, as soon as they feel anything, think it's such a big deal, and go ahead and numb it and avoid it as much as possible. Because they're not used to letting themselves feel so much, if they ever DO have a "feeling" of any intensity, it seems like such a big deal. And that's just how they think. They think it's so huge and awful they have no choice but to escape. Be it from "I'm unhappy because I dislike my job", to "I'm super sad because my parents are dead, so I need to get high all the time." Yes, and while I do sympathize, there are loads of people all over the world who experience the very normal phenomena of family members dying, and have to deal with it without access to substances.

Live and let live, I say, but the point being, just because we feel something, doesn't mean it's the epitome of depth.

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Wow.This was positively great to read. And it made a lot of sense.

Though I must say that I have observed Venus/Mercury/Saturn in air signs is more likely to be very dispassionate.

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Yep, I've got the air Venus, so, I can relate to the dispassionate comment sometimes.

There's also another thing I do, which I believe may be the result of my moon sign's ruler being conjunct Saturn in Capricorn.
I feel a need to equally give and take, and be respectful. I'm not like this alll the time, but there are many occasions where I'll do something in return for another person, as a sort of sign of respect for what they did for me, regardless of my personal feelings. I've noted this tendency in a couple of Capricorns.

posted December 06, 2018 04:50 AM            

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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
What you said is a bit hurtful though. You say the moon shows how deep and sensitive someone is, and you think only water moons have depth and emotions? How do you know you are so deep? It sounds kind of like you are putting yourself on a pedestal and think that because someone has a moon in a certain element theu have no depth or are insensitive... that’s actually a bit insensitive to say because I don’t think that’s true. Yeah water moons are sensitive but it doesn’t equal depth. Also there are many serial killers who have had Pisces or Cancer moons. Depth? Maybe. But insensitive and cold? Definitely. So anyone can be sensitive too even if they have an air/fire moon, if a water moon can lack empathy and sensitivity...
And personally Ive met a lot of insensitive Taurus and Scorpio moons...

As it is I already hate the fact my moon sign is labeled as cold I don’t need to feel like I need to dislike myself more because I have this moon...

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A water moon with in a hard aspect to Uranus can be cold. An Aries/Aqua Moon in conjuction/trine with Neptune/Pluto though can not be as sensitive as Pisces or Scorpio Moon.

Don't get hurt or offended I would gladly change my Moon to a colder one. Being sensitive and deep is good for others not for the native. Especially in this day and age is worse because everything is more superficial than ever.

Many people are sensitive in words or ideally when the time comes they don't act like they thought they would because they aren't that sensitive in reality.

There are also people who are very superficially sensitive if that makes sense.
Anyway I don't find it bad being one or the other. Being sensitive is good for others but difficult for the native being insensitive is good for the native in many ways.
Sensitive and deep people have difficulty finding someone as sensitive and deep while insensitive people are ok with both sensitive and insensitive ones for example.

posted December 06, 2018 06:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
@Lala
I had the same opinion about drug addicts but after a discussion with a member in here I learnt that there are people who do drugs in order to "feel".
It didn't even cross my mind until he mentioned it. I would do drugs to get rid of my feelings.

However about drug addicts compared to people who deal with a death of a loved one for example without doing drugs/alcohol I have to say that in my case I didn't becomr stronger, it's the other way.. Generally having a difficult life with deaths and health issues doesn't make you stronger it makes you more depressed and weaker imo.

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Oh, sure, there are ones who do it to feel. But I mean specific niche of ones who do it as a form of perpetual escapism.

And yes, it can make one weaker, for a time. I think of that as their own "dark night of the soul" before the transformation takes place. How long it lasts depends on us, I believe. There's also giving power to our own pain, by over romanticizing it. I did that, when young, like a tortured poet. Seems a little silly now that I'm older.
This coming from someone (myself) who also used to (and probably still do!) suffer from a lot of issues and hardships.

Plut0nian2, when was your Saturn return?

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There are also people who are very superficially sensitive if that makes sense.

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posted December 06, 2018 10:14 AM            

My reason why is that I have encountered many Water Moons who have told me themselves that they supress their emotions in order to deal with them. A Cancer with Scorpio Moon/Asc told me that she has to numb her emotions because she doesn't know any other way to handle them. Numbing emotions isn't exclusive to air moons, though isn't impossible either.

posted December 06, 2018 10:54 AM            

Air Moons don't need to numb their emotions, they can always rationalize lol.

And I agree with what some have said about Taurus Moons here, though it is said to be exalted the Taurus Moons I have come across seem to feel uncomfortable in emotional situations, perhaps they seek stability more than going through the rollercoaster which is the forte of Cancer Moons perhaps, but still as an exalted Moon I had assumed they would be rather comfortable with it, but nah, that doesn't seem to be the case.

posted December 06, 2018 01:46 PM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
[b] What you said is a bit hurtful though. You say the moon shows how deep and sensitive someone is, and you think only water moons have depth and emotions? How do you know you are so deep? It sounds kind of like you are putting yourself on a pedestal and think that because someone has a moon in a certain element theu have no depth or are insensitive... that’s actually a bit insensitive to say because I don’t think that’s true. Yeah water moons are sensitive but it doesn’t equal depth. Also there are many serial killers who have had Pisces or Cancer moons. Depth? Maybe. But insensitive and cold? Definitely. So anyone can be sensitive too even if they have an air/fire moon, if a water moon can lack empathy and sensitivity...
And personally Ive met a lot of insensitive Taurus and Scorpio moons...

As it is I already hate the fact my moon sign is labeled as cold I don’t need to feel like I need to dislike myself more because I have this moon...

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A water moon with in a hard aspect to Uranus can be cold. An Aries/Aqua Moon in conjuction/trine with Neptune/Pluto though can not be as sensitive as Pisces or Scorpio Moon.

Don't get hurt or offended I would gladly change my Moon to a colder one. Being sensitive and deep is good for others not for the native. Especially in this day and age is worse because everything is more superficial than ever.

Many people are sensitive in words or ideally when the time comes they don't act like they thought they would because they aren't that sensitive in reality.

There are also people who are very superficially sensitive if that makes sense.
Anyway I don't find it bad being one or the other. Being sensitive is good for others but difficult for the native being insensitive is good for the native in many ways.
Sensitive and deep people have difficulty finding someone as sensitive and deep while insensitive people are ok with both sensitive and insensitive ones for example.

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Water moons don’t always equal depth. You might think it’s good to be cold and insensitive, but those are negative words. Truth is most people who think they have depth are the ones who really don’t. Why would you want a cold and insensitive moon? It doesn’t make sense to me. Someone who isn’t comfortable with their emotions or is not developed or wise enough to learn how to use their emotions for better would only say that. I know plenty of water moons that while emotional don’t respond show compassion. So like you said about showing sensitivity with words and not actions, a lot of water moons do that. They tend to be the most emotionally expressive but that does not equal depth. And how you define sensitivity would determine whether water moons are always sensitive or not.

You might be one of the people you’re talking about who think they have depth but don’t. I’m not saying you aren’t but what I’m saying is how can you be so sure? What defines “depth” to you? Because you are a water moon doesn’t automatically make you sensitive and deep.

I have a hard Uranus aspect, specially conjunct, no Neptune aspects and only sextile Pluto, but I can tell you Im not cold or insensitive like you say. Am I deep? I don’t know I cant say... who can really. It’s like trying to define someone as wise, it’s like who is to say.
But in any case, I have an Aquarius moon, Uranus conjunction, and I’m emotional and yes I would say sensitive. Im probably as sensitive and emotional as my sister who is a Cancer moon, my cousin also. I know Taurus moons more insensitive and less emotional than me.
I am always careful with how I treat others. Not saying I don’t mess up. Im not perfect. I try my best to not be selfish, I try to understand everyone. I can put myself in others shoes, and no even though Im an air moon I don’t rationalize my emotions. I just let them be. I want to help animals most importantly. I volunteer at an animal rescue because I want to help animals.
Maybe I don’t have depth or Im not emotional to you. Yeah I don’t really express my emotions openly, but I feel them and try to show it through what I do in this world.
Just because someone doesn’t express them doesn’t mean they dont feel them and act insensitively. I think that’s a huge misconception.
Look a bit closer at the people you think have no emotions, it’s not always the case. Look deeper maybe their core self is a good person. Emotional people arent always the ones with a big heart. And sign can be, it’s just look the person themselves. Lookinh at the moons alone can’t really determine that.

posted December 06, 2018 06:41 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ Perhaps she numbs her emotions coz its way too intense ?

Air Moons don't need to numb their emotions, they can always rationalize lol.

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Yes but that's why most people seek out to numb their emotions anyway. They would rather feel nothing than go through the pain of having to feel too much. A 12th house Libra Moon I know used Drugs and Alcohol as a way to numb her emotions after the pain of losing her father, mainly because she never wanted to feel that kind of pain ever again.

posted December 07, 2018 12:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
Oh, sure, there are ones who do it to feel. But I mean specific niche of ones who do it as a form of perpetual escapism.

And yes, it can make one weaker, for a time. I think of that as their own "dark night of the soul" before the transformation takes place. How long it lasts depends on us, I believe. There's also giving power to our own pain, by over romanticizing it. I did that, when young, like a tortured poet. Seems a little silly now that I'm older.
This coming from someone (myself) who also used to (and probably still do!) suffer from a lot of issues and hardships.

Plut0nian2, when was your Saturn return?

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I think I know what you mean a friend comes to my mind. She seems to get over pain kind of quickly but she has the need to mentally torture her self because she feels guilty for getting over it so quickly. She tries to make herself sad by thinking hard of something and trying to make herself sad about it.
I think she feels like a cold person and she is guilty about it.

Something I won't ever understand because I admire cold people (she is not) but their abillity to not care and worry emotionally seems like the best thing in the world to me. Maybe I could go as far as calling it the key to happiness.

You know ideally I would choose to be a cold insensitive person, dead inside.
I agree that time heals anything I just happen to be one of those who needs too much time and emotions are too intense. It would be better if at least my emotions were on the mild side or the duration of it was shorter.
I guess Saturn on 8th H cusp is to blame for needing that much time.
My main problem is that it is one thing after the other and almost 10 years have past since the deaths and health problems both mine of my relatives are never ending.. Sometimes I feel like the universe is trolling me and other people whose life is constantly sh*tty.
It's just too much and life seems pointless after all the sh*t you've been through there isn't anything that can make you really happy, you're just full of pain and depressed. I think it's normal.

I didn't have my 1st Saturn Return yet (I'm 27yo) I have hard Progressed Sun and then ASC opposite progressed Saturn and then Natal Saturn for yeeeears. Now T. Saturn is opposite my Sun and then conjuct Uranus in my 6th H.. and the list goes on..
Anyway I think it would be fair for people who are meant to have these kind of difficulties to be at least more on the cold/insensitive side.

posted December 07, 2018 02:14 AM            

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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
Water moons don’t always equal depth. You might think it’s good to be cold and insensitive, but those are negative words. Truth is most people who think they have depth are the ones who really don’t. Why would you want a cold and insensitive moon? It doesn’t make sense to me. Someone who isn’t comfortable with their emotions or is not developed or wise enough to learn how to use their emotions for better would only say that. I know plenty of water moons that while emotional don’t respond show compassion. So like you said about showing sensitivity with words and not actions, a lot of water moons do that. They tend to be the most emotionally expressive but that does not equal depth. And how you define sensitivity would determine whether water moons are always sensitive or not.

You might be one of the people you’re talking about who think they have depth but don’t. I’m not saying you aren’t but what I’m saying is how can you be so sure? What defines “depth” to you? Because you are a water moon doesn’t automatically make you sensitive and deep.

I have a hard Uranus aspect, specially conjunct, no Neptune aspects and only sextile Pluto, but I can tell you Im not cold or insensitive like you say. Am I deep? I don’t know I cant say... who can really. It’s like trying to define someone as wise, it’s like who is to say.
But in any case, I have an Aquarius moon, Uranus conjunction, and I’m emotional and yes I would say sensitive. Im probably as sensitive and emotional as my sister who is a Cancer moon, my cousin also. I know Taurus moons more insensitive and less emotional than me.
I am always careful with how I treat others. Not saying I don’t mess up. Im not perfect. I try my best to not be selfish, I try to understand everyone. I can put myself in others shoes, and no even though Im an air moon I don’t rationalize my emotions. I just let them be. I want to help animals most importantly. I volunteer at an animal rescue because I want to help animals.
Maybe I don’t have depth or Im not emotional to you. Yeah I don’t really express my emotions openly, but I feel them and try to show it through what I do in this world.
Just because someone doesn’t express them doesn’t mean they dont feel them and act insensitively. I think that’s a huge misconception.
Look a bit closer at the people you think have no emotions, it’s not always the case. Look deeper maybe their core self is a good person. Emotional people arent always the ones with a big heart. And sign can be, it’s just look the person themselves. Lookinh at the moons alone can’t really determine that.

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Hey, I feel like you are a bit hurt but you don't need to be. Not being emotional enough for someone doesn't mean you are not emotional at all.
Are you feeling somehow guilty about not being emotional/sensitive/deep enough?

I don't care that the words sound negative in reality it's positive nowadays and it's a blessing. Most good qualities are just idealised but are worthless in reality and they may even harm you (like being sensitive/caring/ethical/pure/giving-helping others etc). If you respect others and don't harm them, then being insensitive, caring about yourself and doing anything possible to succeed is the way to go these days..

I've come to understand after knowing people that Moon describes their emotions pretty accurately actually. I have the highest success rate in guessing someone's Mercury (I guess it's the easiest planet to guess after chatting with someone though) and Moon.. I just need to see their eyes and sense their energy and I can guess the Moon correctly. I don't have a good success rate at guessing other personal planets unless they are too obvious to me.

I wouldn't have to explain why I would choose to be cold and how I can sense depth and sensivity if you were a water Moon. I can't describe it with words I just sense it. But actions prove it too.
I once was drugged by a doctor for a test.
He didn't have the normal drug somehow so he gave me sometging way heavier.. The drug effects lasted 5-6 hours.. I felt like I had no emotions for the first time in my life and it was the happiest time of my life.

Expression of emotions has nothing to do with being emotional or not.
You can be a good person but not emotional/deep enough for me and vice versa.

Let's say for the shake of the example that depth/sensivity could be measured in points:

• person A is 100 points emotional
• person B is 50 points emotional
• person C is 5 points emotional

Person A sees person B and C as unemotional compared to him although he sees that person B is more emotional than person C.

Person B sees person C as unemotional too

posted December 07, 2018 03:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
Hey, I feel like you are a bit hurt but you don't need to be. Not being emotional enough for someone doesn't mean you are not emotional at all.
Are you feeling somehow guilty about not being emotional/sensitive/deep enough?

I don't care that the words sound negative in reality it's positive nowadays and it's a blessing. Most good qualities are just idealised but are worthless in reality and they may even harm you (like being sensitive/caring/ethical/pure/giving-helping others etc). If you respect others and don't harm them, then being insensitive, caring about yourself and doing anything possible to succeed is the way to go these days..

I've come to understand after knowing people that Moon describes their emotions pretty accurately actually. I have the highest success rate in guessing someone's Mercury (I guess it's the easiest planet to guess after chatting with someone though) and Moon.. I just need to see their eyes and sense their energy and I can guess the Moon correctly. I don't have a good success rate at guessing other personal planets unless they are too obvious to me.

I wouldn't have to explain why I would choose to be cold and how I can sense depth and sensivity if you were a water Moon. I can't describe it with words I just sense it. But actions prove it too.
I once was drugged by a doctor for a test.
He didn't have the normal drug somehow so he gave me sometging way heavier.. The drug effects lasted 5-6 hours.. I felt like I had no emotions for the first time in my life and it was the happiest time of my life.

Expression of emotions has nothing to do with being emotional or not.
You can be a good person but not emotional/deep enough for me and vice versa.

Let's say for the shake of the example that depth/sensivity could be measured in points:

• person A is 100 points emotional
• person B is 50 points emotional
• person C is 5 points emotional

Person A sees person B and C as unemotional compared to him although he sees that person B is more emotional than person C.

Person B sees person C as unemotional too

Person C feels normally emotional though.

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I feel like you are kind of going in circles though. You never answered what you believe defines what depth is in a person...

I don’t understand how you can be so sure that you are right about things. Like how do you truly know you are “reading” people correctly? Are you psychic or a medium? Im seriously wondering because it sounds like you are very confident you know people so well. So maybe you’re a psychic? But then again a lot people may think they are but aren’t.
The thing about reading people , no matter how many times you may have gotten things right, you can’t be so sure about everything. Like you are so sure you can tell who is deep or not but how???? How do you REALLY be so sure you know the depths of that person? How can we judge?

I don’t understand either how or why youd want to be cold? You keep saying it’s good to be these days? No it’s not... Im not sure where you get it from, but I don’t think everyone is as mean as you think. Yeah there are a lot of insensitive people, but there are a lot of sensitive people as well. It’s not as rare as you think.
Also you say you want to be cold, but then you kind of insinuate people who are cold or insensitive are not good people. So you want to be a bad person? Im lost...

Of course being numb is nice when you are hurt or bothered so much. I know this well. Im taking medication for depression and it kind of numbs me. But you know even though it nice to not feel anything, I don’t like feeling apathetic either. I hate that feeling. Even now my emotions are bit off, and it feels weird. But it’s kind of safe at the same time. It’s bittersweet. Maybe you have a lot of squares in your chart? Ive seen your chart and you have quite a lot of fire...
It’s seems more like you don’t have a healthy way of using your emotions. It doesn’t mean you have more emotions than everyone else, but are uncomfortable with them. But I can’t say. Only you know yourself so please don’t think Im trying to tell you who you are. Maybe you are more emotional than most people. I don’t know.

Just wondering why you ask me if Im guilty of not being emotional/deep enough? It kind of sounds again like you are assuming I don’t have a lot of depth or emotions. Truth is I have trouble being 100% sure about anything. I was diagnosed with OCD and it has been known as the “doubting disease”. It’s hard to explain. But it is partially the reason why I am always doubting myself, about things I probably shouldn’t be or things that don’t make sense. It probably doesn’t make sense, it’s hard for me to explain.
Unfortunately Im not like you, I cant sit there and be sure about things. I can’t write things in stone. The world is full of the unknown and I really dont know anything. Do I even really exist? I dont know... are you even a real person? I don’t know! It’s a scary world. And Im only one person I still have a lot to learn.
But I guess we should just agree to disagree because I seems like you are very confident in your belief.

posted December 07, 2018 05:30 AM            

I have a Scorpio moon and it makes me difficult to feel, is so intense all I feel.
Maybe an air moon doesn't feel so intensely instinctively, but it does feel deep "inside the mind."