posted December 03, 2018 07:07 PM            

Every time I interact with an air sign, I feel really bad. As if I had been used:/

Despite being a generalization, sometimes I feel that they have no feelings:/

Does anyone else think about this water and air sign barrier? It's very strange to explain

posted December 04, 2018 05:01 AM            

I don't get on well with people who are too cerebral. And that could be an intrinsic air sign trait.

posted December 04, 2018 05:50 AM            

I could see a water sign not liking an Air sign because an air sign is similar to a scientist there interested in proving facts, logic and truths which could annoy a sensitive water sign.

For example both my parents are Cancer Suns and I get peeved when they make decisions that define logic.

My dad put in $8000 in a car thats only worth $2000. The Air sign says not a logical use of money. Water sign just loves that car and expresses there emotion.

However just like the scientist that eventually realizes that science can't prove everything in this world (Paraphysical Phenomena - ghosts, aliens and etc) they start to become more emotional and the water sign starts to put more common sense into there decisions.

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
....I don't get on well with people who are too cerebral. And that could be an intrinsic air sign trait.

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Thanks, I will practice some cautions with my thoughts in some of my replies.I'm extremely Airy.

posted December 04, 2018 06:42 AM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
Maybe I'm generalizing a lot, and I know it all depends on the rest of the chart, but I've noticed, like sun cancer and Scorpio Moon that I am, that there is a very strong barrier between the signs of water and air.

Every time I interact with an air sign, I feel really bad. As if I had been used:/

Despite being a generalization, sometimes I feel that they have no feelings:/

Does anyone else think about this water and air sign barrier? It's very strange to explain

Or maybe they are just paranoia of mine (Scorpio Moon)

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I'm Cancer Sun, Mercury, ASC and Pisces Moon.
I feel the same but it is when we are talking about Moon in air or fire signs.
I love an Aqua Sun & Mercury with a Scorpio Moon for example. Favorite Moon is Scorpio Moon, then Pisces , Taurus and last Cancer (in specific degrees).
I've found that Moon shows how emotional and deep a person is.
I feel creeped out at how insensitive most Moon signs are and yet they think they are sensitive lol. Words don't cound for me, it's actions.
Also I just sense it. I can't really describe it but it's like I can sense who is sensitive/emotional/deep and other things someone is or isn't. Until now I haven't been proved wrong not even once. Sometimes I sense crazy things that seem to come out of completely nowhere and yet they end up being true.

The example DualGemini doesn't really have to do with being emotional/water sign etc. It just feels like his parent is impulsive and doesn't have the patience to look for the same thing in a lower price.

posted December 04, 2018 07:43 AM            

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The example DualGemini doesn't really have to do with being emotional/water sign etc. It just feels like his parent is impulsive and doesn't have the patience to look for the same thing in a lower price.

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Yes, it does for you see. The biggest flaw with Cancer males is if there insecure or if they been hurt at one point in there lives they have a flair for wanting to brag or show off to gain acceptance.

Spending that kind of money and bragging about it is his way of trying to get acceptance.

Insecurity, acceptance and past hurt always leaves scars to Cancers, they are extremely sensitive.

Another big difference between Gemini and Cancer is.

A Cancer will simply be scared or take certain risks if they'be hurt in the past.

A Gemini will plan on how to deal with the risk a second time and know how to run in the worst case.

One of my (Cancer) ex-bosses got divorced and it took him almost 10 yrs to get back to dating again. He was so hurt by the first mirage that we couldn't even talk about him even getting married in the first place. A Gemini can bounce back relatively quickly.

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posted December 04, 2018 08:34 AM            

I think water signs are highly intelligent, though. They understand others in ways no other signs can. This is partly why they can be very skilled at manipulating. Sometimes they don't even realize they are doing it. But it is also because of this that I always keep my guard up around water-heavy people.

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Sun in Leo (2nd house)
Moon in Cancer (1st house)
Mercury in Virgo (3rd house conj.)
Venus in Virgo (3rd house)
Mars in Libra (5th house)

posted December 04, 2018 01:34 PM            

I can sort of understand what you say about air signs. I can switch from my elements depending on my mood, and the situation. When I am in air-mode, I can seem really offensive to someone who is purely irrational and just impulsive. Emotions in and of themselves are not irrational, but, when someone feels something, and believes what they feel to be the absolute truth without "getting to the bottom of it", and is not interested in getting to the bottom of it, then, yes, in that cerebral, analytical state, it can rub an emotional person the wrong way. I do not say they are wrong, but I point out facts.

They do not like facts pointed out, because then it would mean thinking about it and finding out what they feel is maybe not true. Emotions are good. The mind is good. Mindless emotions are bad and a mind devoid of emotion is also bad. We need both in order to be reasonable.

I notice a similar reaction in fire signs. To me, fire and water are the most "emotional" and "reactive" of the elements. The fire just wants to burn, burn, burn! And the air is like "whoa, hold up, let's think about this before we destroy the forest!" and they're like "NOO!! MUST HAVE MORE FAYAR!!!"

But as for feeling like you've been used... I can also to a degree understand that. Air signs keep things in their head, in their mind. Even affection and love, more often than not. Earth will show you they care with work and sweat and tears and such, and Water will show you by meeting your emotional needs. Air is a bit dryer in that sense (literally and figuratively), so you have to be someone who appreciates their "thought love" in order to feel comfortable with them.

posted December 04, 2018 05:47 PM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
Every time I interact with an air sign, I feel really bad. As if I had been used:/

Despite being a generalization, sometimes I feel that they have no feelings:/

Does anyone else think about this water and air sign barrier? It's very strange to explain

Or maybe they are just paranoia of mine (Scorpio Moon)

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To generalize too much myself, water signs have a tendency to pour their emotional energy into someone even when not asked and then feel used (or betrayed) when that intensity is not returned. But it usually wasn't asked for, or at least it came off as no big deal. Even when both operate in good faith, this can make water seem manipulative to the air sign while the water signs can feel used by the air.

That said, it's amazing how many Pisces moons I've gotten close to (and wonder if my 8H Pisces has something to do with that). Scorpios, tending to extremes, either tend to love me or hate me (as a rule of thumb, those seeking greater truths without dogma who appreciate others doing the same or need a friend to survive tend to love me--Scorpios tend to not forget help as they don't slights--while those who are too self-absorbed or feel the world is always sting them so they're constantly stinging back in hyper-defensiveness will almost assuredly hate me, for standing clear of them if no other reason, though my relationship with my Scorpio sun/Gemini moon mother is a complicated one both ways).

I love bouncing ideas over those who can think mystically in the way of water signs when they're not so self-absorbed and do so with quite a few (and though I'm typically not as sentimental as they'd like--though I can be very affectionate, no doubt a manifestation of my heavy fire--I do try and they recognize that).

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As heavy air and fire myself, I don't think feelings = deep, quite the opposite in fact. Any babe can feel. Of course it CAN be, but just because it seems so intense to the person experiencing it doesn't necessarily make it deep or true, only to seem like it, just as being able to feel your emotions more than someone else expresses doesn't necessarily mean that you feel so much more than they do.

That said, I can psychoanalyze myself and others (and symbols, etc) almost to a mystical degree, but that doesn't merely equate feelings. Feelings often feel right even when they are wrong, though logic can be just as biased and self-deceitful as well. Letting feelings control us can feel like letting the small child drive the car, which is not a good idea in our book (though neither is trying to get the inner-child to shut up so you can focus on driving).

Of course there are degrees to everything. People with no water still have feelings just as those with no air can think clearly (I've seen it happen anyway ). It just means we use a mental filter on them and/or we prioritize differently. The fact we're not shouting or crying or dancing in glee doesn't mean we don't feel upset or in pain or that we can't love (and we can do all those things as well).

Societies that are reserved tend to have sayings like "read the air" which means either "read between the lines" or even "see what is really happening." (For example, someone who claims to be tired may be grieving but not wishing to burden others with it, which might mean you either wish them well, or you try to help them with that grieving, depending on the situation and relationship. Even in societies that value feelings above rational thought, many people can still be reserved in this way.)

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Hmm...I just remembered one Pisces moon. (All 3 of us were Libra suns, though his was on the Virgo cusp while me and the other were on the Scorpio cusp). Me (Sag moon) and the Scorpio moon was with a guy with a Pisces moon when he discovered his cat just died. He made an exclamation and then quickly calmed down.

He then took the cat below while utterly calm, a cat he had for about 15 years, and only when he was in the basement did we hear his shout of utter grief and loss. Me and the Scorpio moon turned to each other with tears in our own eyes for his grief, but when he came back up appearing completely normal we didn't press him as he obviously wanted to deal with this himself for the moment (I remember thinking maybe his Cap Mars made him that way). He did not freely show the intensity of his emotions with us, but he sure had them no matter how much he tried to hide them.

posted December 05, 2018 03:34 AM            

If we are going to generalize I just don’t get why air signs get the most flack fot being insensitive. Fire and Earth are quite insensitive more so in my experience. Ive met insensitive water suns/moons, insensitive air, fire, earth you name it. That’s just what I personally feel.
Maybe how I feel hurt is different. But I find earth and fire tend to be more judgmental and mid understanding. Like they dont get me and don’t care to.

Im probably contradicting myself here because I say fire is more insensitive even though I don’t think it’s good to judge someone based on their chart. I don’t like to, all in all I only see the person for who they are first and I will look up their chart. It’s just on the internet Ive had more trouble getting along either fire suns, or moons. Taurus placements as well unless they have water. But really I have met nice fire sun/moon and I think I can conclude that I can’t see a definite pattern in people who are emotional and/or sensitive, and those who are not.

posted December 05, 2018 03:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
I'm Cancer Sun, Mercury, ASC and Pisces Moon.
I feel the same but it is when we are talking about Moon in air or fire signs.
I love an Aqua Sun & Mercury with a Scorpio Moon for example. Favorite Moon is Scorpio Moon, then Pisces , Taurus and last Cancer (in specific degrees).
I've found that Moon shows how emotional and deep a person is.
I feel creeped out at how insensitive most Moon signs are and yet they think they are sensitive lol. Words don't cound for me, it's actions.
Also I just sense it. I can't really describe it but it's like I can sense who is sensitive/emotional/deep and other things someone is or isn't. Until now I haven't been proved wrong not even once. Sometimes I sense crazy things that seem to come out of completely nowhere and yet they end up being true.

The example DualGemini doesn't really have to do with being emotional/water sign etc. It just feels like his parent is impulsive and doesn't have the patience to look for the same thing in a lower price.

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What you said is a bit hurtful though. You say the moon shows how deep and sensitive someone is, and you think only water moons have depth and emotions? How do you know you are so deep? It sounds kind of like you are putting yourself on a pedestal and think that because someone has a moon in a certain element theu have no depth or are insensitive... that’s actually a bit insensitive to say because I don’t think that’s true. Yeah water moons are sensitive but it doesn’t equal depth. Also there are many serial killers who have had Pisces or Cancer moons. Depth? Maybe. But insensitive and cold? Definitely. So anyone can be sensitive too even if they have an air/fire moon, if a water moon can lack empathy and sensitivity...
And personally Ive met a lot of insensitive Taurus and Scorpio moons...

As it is I already hate the fact my moon sign is labeled as cold I don’t need to feel like I need to dislike myself more because I have this moon...

posted December 05, 2018 03:55 AM            

I grew up surrounded by air signs, and in turn they influenced the air in me. (Geminis, Aquarians, Librans, and interestingly enough, attracting air friends throughout my life.

Thing I noticed is they're good at communicating with people, and sharing ideas, philosophizing, without any
personal bias, dislike or favoritism for the person.

Example: They can be in a group of people, all chatting together. There can be 1 person they dislike or don't get along well with, or generally don't wish to spend time with. However, if that person they really dislike says something, they push aside their personal feelings, and it becomes less about the person, and more about what they're communicating.

Someone can say "Oh, I think that waffles are loved by everyone around the world!" or more controversial "I think war is good business!"

The air person will then gladly enter a debate with this person, either based on agreement, or disagreement, or simply to learn and "brain meld" and understand, in a cerebral way. This can be done without any emotional attachment to the person they are speaking too.

If the person an air individual is indifferent to speaks or communicates an idea, the air person will likely respond, and question, and debate.

The pitfall for some is assuming that if they (the air people) are speaking TO YOU, it means they like you or are attracted to you, or you have some kind of bond. For them, the bond is the idea, which in their mind is detached from you.

Once the sharing of thoughts is done, that's that. This isn't to say air signs don't like people, or are like this all the time. They can love you, and still want to do this. But also, they can NOT love you, and do this. Them being around you or communicating with you, or sharing ideas with you, doesn't have to mean anything more than their desire to share thoughts and communicate in some way.

posted December 05, 2018 03:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
I'm air/water dominant and for me it feels like I have an emotional world brewing inside of me that I am constantly trying to manage. Part of me wants to constantly express my feelings no matter what but part of me is also seeing how that would affect the people around me, how that would change the situation, how I would have to deal with it, etc.

When I was younger I struggled with this a lot more so I would constantly bottle my feelings up and obsess over them. I'm especially sensitive to the way people say things and what's really going on in someone's head when they say something. I always would bottle things up because I was afraid of hurting someone else's feelings but I realized how much I was only hurting myself by choosing to not stand up for myself.

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Im water/air dominant as well! I think I understand what you mean. I feel the same way... I have a lot going on inside me but I tend to hide it so well.

posted December 05, 2018 04:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
I have some water, some fire, lots of earth, and a dash of air here and there, so I can understand each element to a degree.

I can sort of understand what you say about air signs. I can switch from my elements depending on my mood, and the situation. When I am in air-mode, I can seem really offensive to someone who is purely irrational and just impulsive. Emotions in and of themselves are not irrational, but, when someone feels something, and believes what they feel to be the absolute truth without "getting to the bottom of it", and is not interested in getting to the bottom of it, then, yes, in that cerebral, analytical state, it can rub an emotional person the wrong way. I do not say they are wrong, but I point out facts.

They do not like facts pointed out, because then it would mean thinking about it and finding out what they feel is maybe not true. Emotions are good. The mind is good. Mindless emotions are bad and a mind devoid of emotion is also bad. We need both in order to be reasonable.

I notice a similar reaction in fire signs. To me, fire and water are the most "emotional" and "reactive" of the elements. The fire just wants to burn, burn, burn! And the air is like "whoa, hold up, let's think about this before we destroy the forest!" and they're like "NOO!! MUST HAVE MORE FAYAR!!!"

But as for feeling like you've been used... I can also to a degree understand that. Air signs keep things in their head, in their mind. Even affection and love, more often than not. Earth will show you they care with work and sweat and tears and such, and Water will show you by meeting your emotional needs. Air is a bit dryer in that sense (literally and figuratively), so you have to be someone who appreciates their "thought love" in order to feel comfortable with them.

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posted December 05, 2018 11:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
Another thought about air signs occurred to me when I woke up earlier. (Good mornin, btw)

I grew up surrounded by air signs, and in turn they influenced the air in me. (Geminis, Aquarians, Librans, and interestingly enough, attracting air friends throughout my life.

Thing I noticed is they're good at communicating with people, and sharing ideas, philosophizing, without any
personal bias, dislike or favoritism for the person.

Example: They can be in a group of people, all chatting together. There can be 1 person they dislike or don't get along well with, or generally don't wish to spend time with. However, if that person they really dislike says something, they push aside their personal feelings, and it becomes less about the person, and more about what they're communicating.

Someone can say "Oh, I think that waffles are loved by everyone around the world!" or more controversial "I think war is good business!"

The air person will then gladly enter a debate with this person, either based on agreement, or disagreement, or simply to learn and "brain meld" and understand, in a cerebral way. This can be done without any emotional attachment to the person they are speaking too.

If the person an air individual is indifferent to speaks or communicates an idea, the air person will likely respond, and question, and debate.

The pitfall for some is assuming that if they (the air people) are speaking TO YOU, it means they like you or are attracted to you, or you have some kind of bond. For them, the bond is the idea, which in their mind is detached from you.

Once the sharing of thoughts is done, that's that. This isn't to say air signs don't like people, or are like this all the time. They can love you, and still want to do this. But also, they can NOT love you, and do this. Them being around you or communicating with you, or sharing ideas with you, doesn't have to mean anything more than their desire to share thoughts and communicate in some way.

This is also quite perfect for many talkshow hosts, or radio show hosts, who have people call in, and have debates, or even criticize them. Air signs are perfect for this because it's not about whether or not they like the caller who's talking to them. They could have a 6 hour debate, whereas for some people, including water heavy, talking to someone for 6 hours can be an emotional investment that they ONLY do with people they feel emotionally close to.

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As someone who has a lot of air these are things that I don't do. If I don't like someone I won't hang out with them regardless of the situation, especially if I have a very serious reason as to why. That's what can irriate me about air sign placements; they can get into a massive argument/fight with you and then try to come back like nothing happened. I hate that **** .

posted December 05, 2018 11:55 AM            

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Taurus moons though.. I don’t get why no one mentions them as being insensitive? The ones I know are pretty insensitive and even Im more emotional then them and Im an Aquarius moon... the “coldest moon sign” anyone can have

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posted December 05, 2018 12:27 PM            

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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
Taurus moons though.. I don’t get why no one mentions them as being insensitive? The ones I know are pretty insensitive and even Im more emotional then them and Im an Aquarius moon... the “coldest moon sign” anyone can have

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posted December 05, 2018 12:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
As someone who has a lot of air these are things that I don't do. If I don't like someone I won't hang out with them regardless of the situation, especially if I have a very serious reason as to why. That's what can irriate me about air sign placements; they can get into a massive argument/fight with you and then try to come back like nothing happened. I hate that **** .

Even in massive groups of people, if there is someone I am closer to I tend to follow them around rather than start talking to strangers. Talking to someone I don't know and/or enjoy being around would feel like literal hell. Though with close friends I could spend the entire day with them. I've been known to shut down conversations by being completely uninterested. It's only when I feel a close attachment to someone when I start being more social with them, and I take that very seriously as it is an established bond of trust with that person.

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What are your placements? We seem oddly similar

posted December 05, 2018 02:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
Another thought about air signs occurred to me when I woke up earlier. (Good mornin, btw)

I grew up surrounded by air signs, and in turn they influenced the air in me. (Geminis, Aquarians, Librans, and interestingly enough, attracting air friends throughout my life.

Thing I noticed is they're good at communicating with people, and sharing ideas, philosophizing, without any
personal bias, dislike or favoritism for the person.

Example: They can be in a group of people, all chatting together. There can be 1 person they dislike or don't get along well with, or generally don't wish to spend time with. However, if that person they really dislike says something, they push aside their personal feelings, and it becomes less about the person, and more about what they're communicating.

Someone can say "Oh, I think that waffles are loved by everyone around the world!" or more controversial "I think war is good business!"

The air person will then gladly enter a debate with this person, either based on agreement, or disagreement, or simply to learn and "brain meld" and understand, in a cerebral way. This can be done without any emotional attachment to the person they are speaking too.

If the person an air individual is indifferent to speaks or communicates an idea, the air person will likely respond, and question, and debate.

The pitfall for some is assuming that if they (the air people) are speaking TO YOU, it means they like you or are attracted to you, or you have some kind of bond. For them, the bond is the idea, which in their mind is detached from you.

Once the sharing of thoughts is done, that's that. This isn't to say air signs don't like people, or are like this all the time. They can love you, and still want to do this. But also, they can NOT love you, and do this. Them being around you or communicating with you, or sharing ideas with you, doesn't have to mean anything more than their desire to share thoughts and communicate in some way.

This is also quite perfect for many talkshow hosts, or radio show hosts, who have people call in, and have debates, or even criticize them. Air signs are perfect for this because it's not about whether or not they like the caller who's talking to them. They could have a 6 hour debate, whereas for some people, including water heavy, talking to someone for 6 hours can be an emotional investment that they ONLY do with people they feel emotionally close to.

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Wow.This was positively great to read. And it made a lot of sense.

Though I must say that I have observed Venus/Mercury/Saturn in air signs is more likely to be very dispassionate.

When Sun/Moon/Mars or Jupiter is there, there tends to be ego and/or feelings attached to ideas.

With Mars in Air especially,if u say something "dumb" . That is it. YOU are not worthy to converse with(Mars in Aqua/Gem esp)

Perhaps Sun is less "absolute" about it. But even they don't like to be contradicted and can be attached to ideas/thoughts.

Moon in air tends to think that they are "feeling" or "emotional". They pay more attention to " how" you say something more than the "what" is said. But nevertheless, words are remembered.(esp Moon in Libra)

Jupiter in air often believe that they are the all seeing eye; relevant & objective. But this is not so with them either.

Perhaps they are not as egotistical as Mars/ Sun in air. But they can be intellectual snobs.

Here there is often bias towards sacrificing the small picture for the "bigger" picture etc. So "small minded people" are dismissed and not entertained even in the slightest.(Merc/Ven/Saturn however are less quick to label anything or anyone "small" )

To Merc/Ven and Sat in air, even the mundane can be interesting. There is something to be learned from there too.

posted December 05, 2018 02:38 PM            

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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
What are your placements? We seem oddly similar

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