posted December 20, 2018 07:48 PM            

i think the idea that everyone should have freedom (freedom as defined by not being micromanaged by a government, though that's not freedom of consequence for actions which come naturally even at the hands of others) or be treated decently even if they're a criminal (define criminal anyway, breaking the law? what if the law is stupid and what should be criminal? that doesn't make the person wrong it makes the law unjust) isn't really conflicting, but i don't think it's necessarily utopian

utopias don't exist outside of people's minds, no such thing as an actual ideal

what matters ultimately is sticking to your principles and defining them yourself and i'd say both uranus and pluto do illustrate those behaviors, differently but they're still there

i tend to treat people well whether or not i dislike them, but i would never do what they told me to if i didn't agree or accept their ideals or beliefs above mine

i ultimately define everything in my life based on my own perspective and it's how i choose to live

if there's a necessity to openly rebel or an opportunity where it makes sense to then i will, otherwise it's better to bide your time

i've noticed more with aquarius/uranus is that they'll do what they want but keep up appearances of not being that way

so from an outsider perspective you might never see them when they're not on, but if you did you'd see a completely different person than the one they're presenting

my friend with benefits has a lot of aquarius and this is true of him, he's very restricted by convention on a surface level but at the same time when he lives his life it's based on his own ideas he just knows where and when to turn it off to make things go more smoothly for him

i'm less capable of that personally, i have more of a tendency to openly speak up and do what i want etc because i have little self control, but on the flipside i'm generally pretty good about it

made a cop laugh once and got out of some **** because i said "**** you sir" to him, stayed pleasant and joked around, but him being a cop was meaningless to me

that sort of thing isn't at all intimidating to me and i never feel the need to step in line

i have pluto sextile sun (and 1st house in placidus) and a lot of uranus aspects too

that being said my fiancee is very openly rebellious and vocal and she has heavy pluto/scorpio

i think without fire energy present (she has an aries moon same as me) though sometimes pluto/scorpio is more just internally stewing in their own anger and not actually acting out with purpose

the other chart someone posted here had some aries as well

so it's likely a combination of uranian and plutonian personality with fire there to back it up

posted December 20, 2018 07:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i would say that being rebellious isn't about constantly acting out or being aggressive about it

rebellion is internal as well, and sticking to your own principles regardless of other people's views

being able to look outside of what you're exposed to and form your own ideas, and to live based on those

there's no need for aggression in many cases, and what you see with pluto particularly hard aspects is generally this rather controlling behavior where they lash out to gain control

that's rebellious yes, but i wouldn't discount the other sort of rebellion in favor of it just because it's loud

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posted December 20, 2018 10:43 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Well our souls were here bf we were born while we were in our mother's womb and most likely even before then. We disagree on discovery charts then. I find them to be very valid.

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posted December 20, 2018 10:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i wouldn't have thought of its discovery date, but i could see how it's reasonable to consider it

it wasn't counted for astrology before its discovery so why wouldn't its nature in this context be able to be charted based on its discovery?

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The Sun does affect the newborn even before the newborn is aware of its existence, does it not ? Is the nature of the Sun determined by the moment in which newborn is finally aware of its existence ? To the newborn, perhaps that would be the first impression the newborn gets, but the Sun has been shining for thousand of years.

posted December 20, 2018 10:57 PM            

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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
You would notice many Uranians will still be friendly and cordial to people who are clearly of criminal or bigoted intent. Not because they are in agreement with those behaviors, but because they do not want to isolate man further than man has already been isolated. They are the types to believe in salvation. "People can change and do better so I'll show my authority towards them but in a nice way in hopes of them seeing that we don't have to hate each other despite our differences."

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posted December 20, 2018 11:30 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
The Sun does affect the newborn even before the newborn is aware of its existence, does it not ? Is the nature of the Sun determined by the moment in which newborn is finally aware of its existence ? To the newborn, perhaps that would be the first impression the newborn gets, but the Sun has been shining for thousand of years.

Anyway it's better to save this topic for later considering that this thread is about some other topic.

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i suppose what hypatia said about our souls being older than our charts and bodies is what i would respond with here

if you disagree with that idea (i've had personal experiences that have affected my own views, but that won't do much for you) then by all means you're right

but if you look at it like the date of discovery is like the date of birth for a soul into a new body then i see no difference

posted December 21, 2018 09:06 AM            

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Originally posted by bluesky:
Sun opposite Uranus
Pluto in 1st
Aries anything
Aquarius anything
Born in Tiger year

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tiger year can do it too? interesting, i have that

had an interesting chinese astrology reading a while back it was amazing to see someone pull the same things i've seen in vedic and western out of my chart but talking about tiger year, pig day, snake hour, monkey month and minute (that's legit my chinese zodiac stuff) because i was looking at it thinking "well this **** is nonsense" but he read it with a ton of depth and it all lined up

fascinating, but it's like trying to use iching for divination for me

posted December 21, 2018 11:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
tiger year can do it too? interesting, i have that

had an interesting chinese astrology reading a while back it was amazing to see someone pull the same things i've seen in vedic and western out of my chart but talking about tiger year, pig day, snake hour, monkey month and minute (that's legit my chinese zodiac stuff) because i was looking at it thinking "well this **** is nonsense" but he read it with a ton of depth and it all lined up

fascinating, but it's like trying to use iching for divination for me

i just can't really get a feel for using either even though they work well enough

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posted December 21, 2018 11:57 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Interesting, I had no idea Chinese astrology was so in depth.

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me either, i thought it was just about year and that was it and then i met that guy and we started comparing the different systems and it was really eye opening

it's elements and animals then day, year, minute, hour, and month that add up to who you are

but the animals can be different elements (i have both fire and water monkey in mine for example) which alters the way they're expressed

i find it all confusing, but when it's broken down your chinese zodiac should match anything else

makes sense since all systems are just ways of examining the same individual, but it was still really surprising

i have no idea where he learned all the details and depth though because in my (admittedly brief)search for information i found it hard to come by

he was impressive though, wish i had been able to stay in touch but unrelated issues he had with other people ****** that all up

which was unfortunate, i hate when other people's issues with each other affect me

posted December 21, 2018 04:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
me either, i thought it was just about year and that was it and then i met that guy and we started comparing the different systems and it was really eye opening

it's elements and animals then day, year, minute, hour, and month that add up to who you are

but the animals can be different elements (i have both fire and water monkey in mine for example) which alters the way they're expressed

i find it all confusing, but when it's broken down your chinese zodiac should match anything else

makes sense since all systems are just ways of examining the same individual, but it was still really surprising

i have no idea where he learned all the details and depth though because in my (admittedly brief)search for information i found it hard to come by

he was impressive though, wish i had been able to stay in touch but unrelated issues he had with other people ****** that all up

which was unfortunate, i hate when other people's issues with each other affect me

it was crazy so much depth just based on 5 ******* pictures of animals with elements above them

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Very cool! I had no idea.

On a side note:

posted December 21, 2018 07:09 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Very cool! I had no idea.

On a side note:

You know what I am noticing about you, you value people that have knowledge and when you miss them is usually in connection to you seeing them as a resource and admiring their mind in some way. I guess 5th house ruler Uranus in the 3rd explains you will be drawn to people who have knowledge about astrology/occult or things that are non mainstream or original. You like the mental stimulation and then regret losing touch with some people you find stimulated you mentally in an original way.

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that's true, i like constant stimulation or i get bored

and i like people who have things they can teach me, makes them fascinating for a while and i appreciate them afterwards for it

they don't necessarily need to be knowledgeable though, i also like when people are entertaining

my fiancee and i were friends with a shut in for a while because her and her boyfriend had the best fights we'd ever seen

we'd go over, they'd give us a bunch of alcohol and try to keep us there all night while they fought

it was entertaining for a while, got weird though didnt end well

posted December 21, 2018 10:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Radium:
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posted December 22, 2018 07:57 AM            

Galileo said the earth was round in a time when it was outrageous to believe such a thing - this is more Uranus like.

Uprisings with blood shed, for example, are more a Plutonian thing.

posted December 23, 2018 04:23 AM            

For anyone wanting to look up their Chinese astrology, there's information here: https://exemplore.com/astrology/Chinese-Astrology-Determining-Your-Month-Day-and-Hour-Animal

posted December 23, 2018 08:49 AM            

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Originally posted by bluesky:
Dumuzi, I too find Chinese astrology a little difficult - the way occurrences are categorised as either "lucky" or "unlucky".

For anyone wanting to look up their Chinese astrology, there's information here: https://exemplore.com/astrology/Chinese-Astrology-Determining-Your-Month-Day-and-Hour-Animal

For example, I'm Tiger born in a Yang Wood year (actually a more gentle Tiger), Dragon month, Rat/ Pig day and Monkey hour. I'd say Monkeys, along with Tigers, are the most rebellious, but Dragons are not far behind.

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didnt check to see if that was the calculator he had me use or not, but probably

the unlucky/lucky days threw me off a lot too i didn't know how to really follow it when he was explaining it to me

i was drinking a lot at that point too so the really didnt help with anything he told me sticking

my tiger year isn't mellowed out like yours, fire tiger instead which supposedly makes that worse

fire monkey month in fire tiger year, water monkey minute, earth snake hour and earth pig day

he said my chart had a lot of tension from the monkey and tiger energy, because both were strong opposing energy

asked about my drug use based on it and told me about his brother having a similar chart and similar drug issues

my fiancee has prominent tiger energy in her chart as well (fire tiger year, metal tiger minute; fire and metal are her only elements actually fire pig day, fire horse hour, metal rat month) which goes along with her own tendency to rebel as well

posted December 23, 2018 08:22 PM            

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Originally posted by bluesky:
Dumuzi, I too find Chinese astrology a little difficult - the way occurrences are categorised as either "lucky" or "unlucky".

For anyone wanting to look up their Chinese astrology, there's information here: https://exemplore.com/astrology/Chinese-Astrology-Determining-Your-Month-Day-and-Hour-Animal

For example, I'm Tiger born in a Yang Wood year (actually a more gentle Tiger), Dragon month, Rat/ Pig day and Monkey hour. I'd say Monkeys, along with Tigers, are the most rebellious, but Dragons are not far behind.

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posted December 23, 2018 11:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Somna7H:
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