posted December 18, 2018 01:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:
irl? myself

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Haha I was thinking about writing the same

posted December 18, 2018 01:55 PM            

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Originally posted by HelixID:
This is a guy who always does what he wants and has no respect for authority whatsoever. I used to work with him and he was very blunt to everyone; superiors, colleagues, male, female.
It also didn't matter whether he liked you or not. He'd let you know either way and in a very straightforward manner.
I remember how shocked I was in the way he talked to our bosses and that he got away with it all the time. If he didn't want to do something, he just didn't do it and no one could make him.
Eventually, he concluded that he needed another job and practically left overnight after having come from a three week sick leave.

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I see he already has pluto square AC
"Career, fame and recognition will important to you. You tend to be self righteous and believe that you are always right when you are dealing with other people, especially business partnerships or with people of authority. You can be quite aggressive and arrogant and you want to push your agenda onto others and take things personally when people dont accept your viewpoints or opinions."

And then a lot of Aries energy with sun, venus and south node in there. The sun is also conjunct the SN, I thought this would strengthen the south node sign but some sites say that weakens the personality, so idk...

posted December 18, 2018 02:25 PM            

nothing will keep my mouth shut either, not even threats or punishment

even as a kid i was like that, used to drive teachers crazy

likewise if i want something i go for it and don't care

i see laws that are pointless as ones that should be broken and so on

i think my principles are what ultimately matter in life regardless of what anyone else thinks or feels it comes down to me, and nothing will change my mind with that

so i guess if that counts there's me, only person i know who can be like that to a similar extent is my fiancee

posted December 18, 2018 06:18 PM            

I have Uranus Rx Opposite my Taurus Asc and within 2° Orb.

posted December 18, 2018 06:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Somna7H:
I got three jobs in past and lest all due to clash with authority. At current job still there were many clashes and difference but still holding my job cos I have got any new job yet. When I will new one I will leave current one immediately.

I have Uranus Rx Opposite my Taurus Asc and within 2° Orb.

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i don't always clash with authority depends on how i feel about the individual and their personal views on things

i can get along well with some authority figures, if i dislike them though then it's different

it's always been like that

i'm not nearly as bad with it as i was when i was younger though, i've mellowed out a lot as i've gotten older

as a child and teenager i used to just pick at authority figures until they had meltdowns and then push further and watch them really crack

teachers, cops, security guards etc and so on

did a lot of crazy **** too, just out of boredom to feel a rush or to see what would happen or how something worked

mellowed though, a lot, found other outlets and exhausted those anyway

can only do the same things for so long

my uranus mostly has easy aspects though

posted December 18, 2018 06:40 PM            

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Originally posted by HelixID:
This is a guy who always does what he wants and has no respect for authority whatsoever. I used to work with him and he was very blunt to everyone; superiors, colleagues, male, female.
It also didn't matter whether he liked you or not. He'd let you know either way and in a very straightforward manner.
I remember how shocked I was in the way he talked to our bosses and that he got away with it all the time. If he didn't want to do something, he just didn't do it and no one could make him.
Eventually, he concluded that he needed another job and practically left overnight after having come from a three week sick leave.

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posted December 18, 2018 06:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
One guy I know who's exactly like that has Aquarius moon.

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my chart has a very similar pattern in it when aspects to chiron are considered

interesting

edit: shouldve quoted someone else not you

posted December 19, 2018 03:55 AM            

My ex-boyfriend has Pluto square Sun. He threw a chair at his superior before. Whenever I demanded he does something, he would refuse. When I said it with puppy eyes, he would do it. He did everything his mom asked because she was very gentle with him. With his dad, he would do the opposite.

My dad also has Pluto square Sun. He would rebel against my mom's demands. But he will do it if she tells him nicely.

I've Pluto quincunx Sun and while I don't consider myself rebellious, my mom said I am. She wanted to throw me out of the house when I was young. I won't do what you say if your reasons don't convince me.

posted December 19, 2018 06:54 AM            

Also Pluto Conjunct Mars, Saturn, Vertex and Jupiter. Square Mercury. bQ Asc. Trine Venus, Moon and Fortuna Point.

posted December 19, 2018 11:21 AM            

It's always these people:

Sun conj/square Pluto
Moon conj/square Pluto
Pluto conj/square ASC
Pluto conj/square MC
8th house people

posted December 20, 2018 12:24 AM            

On the other hand Uranus Discovery chart has its Sun in Pisces and Moon in Scorpio going along with your theory that aquarius has this "live and let live" and "mind your own business" type of mindset. But Uranus has Pluto as its chart ruler in aquarius in the 3rd house so what does that say about the nature of Uranus/Aquarius?

I feel underneath that chillness there is a rebellious spirit they just hide it by putting on their poker face since Uranus has scorpio rising and with sun in pisces yes they avoid drama and want to blend in and belong. I would think though with Pluto in aquarius ruling Uranus chart and falling in the 3rd that perhaps they value intellectual freedom a lot and have original views and ways of looking at things unless their desire to blend in (Pisces) is stronger and makes them repress this tendency bc they feel that different way of thinking will alienate them from others (Sun in Pisces in the 4th!) and steal them of that sense of belongingness.

posted December 20, 2018 02:38 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
This theory of Pluto been the rebels is very interesting since in Pluto's Discovery Chart Pluto has Sun in Aquarius at critical degree 29.

On the other hand Uranus Discovery chart has its Sun in Pisces and Moon in Scorpio going along with your theory that aquarius has this "live and let live" and "mind your own business" type of mindset. But Uranus has Pluto as its chart ruler in aquarius in the 3rd house so what does that say about the nature of Uranus/Aquarius?

I feel underneath that chillness there is a rebellious spirit they just hide it by putting on their poker face since Uranus has scorpio rising and with sun in pisces yes they avoid drama and want to blend in and belong. I would think though with Pluto in aquarius ruling Uranus chart and falling in the 3rd that perhaps they value intellectual freedom a lot and have original views and ways of looking at things unless their desire to blend in (Pisces) is stronger and makes them repressed this tendency bc they feel that different way of thinking will alienate them from others (Sun in Pisces in the 4th!) and steal them of that sense of belongingness.

Its interesting bc they want to belong and feel safe and live in an ideal world (venus and sun in pisces in the 4th, venus in mutual reception to neptune in the 11th) but their chart ruler is Pluto in Aquarius in the 3rd. Perhaps they fight to persuade others to have the views they feel would create this perfect safe world but also defend their right to think how they feel, for freedom of speech and for intellectual freedom (Pluto in the 3rd).

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posted December 20, 2018 09:52 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
I disagree with this discovery chart theory, if Pluto does affect us, and that's a big if(if you look at it skeptically), Pluto has been affecting us before it was even discovered by us. What kinda chart would it have then?

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posted December 20, 2018 02:50 PM            

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Originally posted by HelixID:
This is a guy who always does what he wants and has no respect for authority whatsoever. I used to work with him and he was very blunt to everyone; superiors, colleagues, male, female.
It also didn't matter whether he liked you or not. He'd let you know either way and in a very straightforward manner.
I remember how shocked I was in the way he talked to our bosses and that he got away with it all the time. If he didn't want to do something, he just didn't do it and no one could make him.
Eventually, he concluded that he needed another job and practically left overnight after having come from a three week sick leave.

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Thank you for sharing!

I feel that blend of Leo and Aquarius is a recipe for Rebelliousness. I feel Leo enjoys been different so it ensures that if there is also uranus/aquarius influence in the chart that they will feel more comfortable leaning more towards the more rebellious side of Uranus while if Leo is not around, Aquarius may lean more towards the Group think mentality and going with the flow.

posted December 20, 2018 05:47 PM            

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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
Also, like I said in another thread, I don't find Aquarius to be as rebellious as the stereotypes say. They are often very relaxed in nature and not keen on starting or participating in drama and heretics unless it is absolutely necessary. Like you provoked them after weeks and weeks, it would take a while to get it out of them but it is possible. Most of the time, they would like you to just mind your business and thus they will mind theirs. They just want everyone to be friendly and mind each other's business, nothing crazy.

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i would say that being rebellious isn't about constantly acting out or being aggressive about it

rebellion is internal as well, and sticking to your own principles regardless of other people's views

being able to look outside of what you're exposed to and form your own ideas, and to live based on those

there's no need for aggression in many cases, and what you see with pluto particularly hard aspects is generally this rather controlling behavior where they lash out to gain control

posted December 20, 2018 06:00 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
I disagree with this discovery chart theory, if Pluto does affect us, and that's a big if(if you look at it skeptically), Pluto has been affecting us before it was even discovered by us. What kinda chart would it have then?

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i wouldn't have thought of its discovery date, but i could see how it's reasonable to consider it

posted December 20, 2018 06:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i would say that being rebellious isn't about constantly acting out or being aggressive about it

rebellion is internal as well, and sticking to your own principles regardless of other people's views

being able to look outside of what you're exposed to and form your own ideas, and to live based on those

there's no need for aggression in many cases, and what you see with pluto particularly hard aspects is generally this rather controlling behavior where they lash out to gain control

that's rebellious yes, but i wouldn't discount the other sort of rebellion in favor of it just because it's loud

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Well, I guess I never really meant that they were aggressive. I'll try to rephrase. What I mean by Plutonians being more like the stereotypical rebellious nature that is put on Uranians is that they typically have more of an upfront stance on topics that they approve of and disapprove of and don't take no for an answer, they are very stubborn and refuse to be commandeered by another's ideology. They will make their own ideology and you will have to follow it or else get left in the dust by them. It's not necessarily aggressive, because it's possible for them to do it in a more relaxed way, but it is very rebellious in the sense that they simply do not care for how their actions spring uncomfortableness and questioning in those they are commandeering. They demand an absolute rule that should be followed and can be highly discriminatory and isolating to those who refuse to follow it. They are very much heretics in this sense, which I think is why the association to Uranians being heretics is kind of funny.

I know many Uranians and Aquarius people and none are truly heretics, they don't defy policies aggressively or even mundanely, they truly do not care for drama of any sort regardless of whether the drama is simply put or if it is blown out. They just avoid it altogether. They are not really pioneers of movements on their own accord, often other people make them do it or assign them the role without their asking. The rebellion the stereotypes speak of can come from their stubbornness to see outside of their ideal of a utopian world where everyone is friendly and happy and in a sort of universal friendship. This is what they truly strive for and so they are not very rebellious in the sense of defying principles or stances frequently because they want to be able to see everyone's point of view and opinions. This is why so many of them can be conservatives or undecided because they don't want to isolate potential fellowships or groups of people.