posted December 17, 2018 08:06 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ Ahh well, I don't know, trolled by the Webmaster himself, never seen it happen before, you just got lucky I guess..

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posted December 17, 2018 08:56 PM            

It is sometimes argued demons and angels are of a similar nature, although much different in their intentions, energy and influence. This could very well be a representation of this.

Personally I am not a Christian.. Not in the traditional sense. But Christianity does hold its influence in my beliefs and feelings on this planet/universe. Especially given Jesus’s connection to the age of Pisces.

posted December 17, 2018 09:54 PM            

I just did a quick search, and found a site called gentilenation, and they had a pdf lesson called--

"Azazel’s Astrology For Satanists: Part 1".

posted December 17, 2018 11:09 PM            

that being said there are good gnostic and catholic texts on astrology in spite of that, but that just goes to show the hypocrisy of the church and those in power historically

i'm not christian, but the myths in the bible share their symbols and themes with many other religions and spiritual views so on some level they're valid, and like everything they don't entirely matter it's what you feel and connect with and where you take it

the idea of what's demonic is entirely framed from one perspective, look outside of that and maybe you'd see differently

posted December 17, 2018 11:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
from a biblical standpoint divination is against god, so it's use for that purpose would be wrong

that being said there are good gnostic and catholic texts on astrology in spite of that, but that just goes to show the hypocrisy of the church and those in power historically

i'm not christian, but the myths in the bible share their symbols and themes with many other religions and spiritual views so on some level they're valid, and like everything they don't entirely matter it's what you feel and connect with and where you take it

the idea of what's demonic is entirely framed from one perspective, look outside of that and maybe you'd see differently

there's ultimately no evil or good on an objective level just what is and isnt

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posted December 17, 2018 11:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro:

Joesph was dream interpreter I don’t know if consider that divination I Heard Ancient Hebrews did Gematrina there’s verse in bible where tribe of istakhar did Astrology , bill copper said some other pagan stuff was later added to christianity , Jesus for everyone does not know he was born in spring not winter here’s interesting video on YouTube proofs bible could be true https://youtu.be/E0fJ5znLEkE

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dream interpretation isn't divination unless the dreams are of divinatory nature which can't be helped

when i've dreamt of people's deaths that's been pretty clear cut for example, wouldn't count that as divination as it'd be unintentional (becomes "prophecy" then) in the same way me reading tarot cards counts as divination

i was speaking of saul consulting the medium, it being against god for him to try to use divination to predict the outcome of a battle rather than having faith (kind of ironic that a book used to supress people historically by governments who routinely used force includes a story where divination for battle outcomes is told as wrong)

he's put to death for it

jesus' birth time is of no consequence

what matters is the wine symbolism, the death and rebirth symbolism, shepherd symbolism, divine birth, son of a god and a mortal etc and so on

those are common themes tied to many figures, like i said, lots of religions lots of the same patterns

just a different filter based on history and culture

can't watch that right now, my fiancee passed out on me and i'm too lazy to get out of bed to do anything right now and i dont want to bother her

is that long? my attention span is ****

anyway the bible isn't more or less true than any other text, it's what you get when you dissect it and use it that matters

i could do an offering to dionysus in the woods or one to jesus in a church and yield the same result because substitution is perfectly acceptable when what you have is ultimately relevant

posted December 18, 2018 12:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
dream interpretation isn't divination unless the dreams are of divinatory nature which can't be helped

when i've dreamt of people's deaths that's been pretty clear cut for example, wouldn't count that as divination as it'd be unintentional (becomes "prophecy" then) in the same way me reading tarot cards counts as divination

i was speaking of saul consulting the medium, it being against god for him to try to use divination to predict the outcome of a battle rather than having faith (kind of ironic that a book used to supress people historically by governments who routinely used force includes a story where divination for battle outcomes is told as wrong)

he's put to death for it

jesus' birth time is of no consequence

what matters is the wine symbolism, the death and rebirth symbolism, shepherd symbolism, divine birth, son of a god and a mortal etc and so on

those are common themes tied to many figures, like i said, lots of religions lots of the same patterns

just a different filter based on history and culture

can't watch that right now, my fiancee passed out on me and i'm too lazy to get out of bed to do anything right now and i dont want to bother her

is that long? my attention span is ****

anyway the bible isn't more or less true than any other text, it's what you get when you dissect it and use it that matters

i could do an offering to dionysus in the woods or one to jesus in a church and yield the same result because substitution is perfectly acceptable when what you have is ultimately relevant

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posted December 18, 2018 02:12 PM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dumuzi:
[b] dream interpretation isn't divination unless the dreams are of divinatory nature which can't be helped

when i've dreamt of people's deaths that's been pretty clear cut for example, wouldn't count that as divination as it'd be unintentional (becomes "prophecy" then) in the same way me reading tarot cards counts as divination

i was speaking of saul consulting the medium, it being against god for him to try to use divination to predict the outcome of a battle rather than having faith (kind of ironic that a book used to supress people historically by governments who routinely used force includes a story where divination for battle outcomes is told as wrong)

he's put to death for it

jesus' birth time is of no consequence

what matters is the wine symbolism, the death and rebirth symbolism, shepherd symbolism, divine birth, son of a god and a mortal etc and so on

those are common themes tied to many figures, like i said, lots of religions lots of the same patterns

just a different filter based on history and culture

can't watch that right now, my fiancee passed out on me and i'm too lazy to get out of bed to do anything right now and i dont want to bother her

is that long? my attention span is ****

anyway the bible isn't more or less true than any other text, it's what you get when you dissect it and use it that matters

i could do an offering to dionysus in the woods or one to jesus in a church and yield the same result because substitution is perfectly acceptable when what you have is ultimately relevant

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there's difference between prophecy (dreams or visions of the future, being given information without actively seeking just by existing) and divination (the purposeful use of tools with the intent to see the future)

a person who has dreams can't them, i've never intentionally dreamt of someone's death or something that would happen

i have however scried, read tarot, used iching, used a pendulum, used runes etc for divination with intent and questions

jesus' birth is irrelevant because jesus is only as relevant as the symbolism behind him not as an actual figure

the birthdate he's given ties him to winter solstice and other winter traditions the way his death and rebirth tie him to spring etc it's all just about keeping the traditional holidays somewhat and adapting for new cultures

i practice the occult, i'm not christian btw

posted December 18, 2018 03:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
there's difference between prophecy (dreams or visions of the future, being given information without actively seeking just by existing) and divination (the purposeful use of tools with the intent to see the future)

a person who has dreams can't them, i've never intentionally dreamt of someone's death or something that would happen

i have however scried, read tarot, used iching, used a pendulum, used runes etc for divination with intent and questions

jesus' birth is irrelevant because jesus is only as relevant as the symbolism behind him not as an actual figure

the birthdate he's given ties him to winter solstice and other winter traditions the way his death and rebirth tie him to spring etc it's all just about keeping the traditional holidays somewhat and adapting for new cultures

i practice the occult, i'm not christian btw

i was raised catholic went to catholic school etc though

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posted December 18, 2018 03:20 PM            

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just read the myths yourself, christian and pagan alike and study the holidays celebrated by people throughout history in many cultures

you'll see the themes

also look at history of both church and government and the balance of power and ways religion has been used to control people and keep authority over them

listening to other people's ideas and interpretations is well and good, but you should read the myths and history yourself and draw your own conclusions honestly

edit: btw the vatican is hiding an unknown amount of old texts and such, lots of knowledge

posted December 18, 2018 03:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
just read the myths yourself, christian and pagan alike and study the holidays celebrated by people throughout history in many cultures

you'll see the themes

also look at history of both church and government and the balance of power and ways religion has been used to control people and keep authority over them

listening to other people's ideas and interpretations is well and good, but you should read the myths and history yourself and draw your own conclusions honestly

edit: btw the vatican is hiding an unknown amount of old texts and such, lots of knowledge

a siege on vatican city would be a beautiful thing really

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posted December 18, 2018 04:10 PM            

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i didnt claim they celebrated the holidays exactly the same, but major holidays at those times of year are common

passover lines up with easter which tends to line up with the spring equinox

the vatican admittedly and openly has a private library

posted December 18, 2018 04:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i didnt claim they celebrated the holidays exactly the same, but major holidays at those times of year are common

passover lines up with easter which lines up with the spring equinox

the vatican admittedly and openly has a private library

how would i know what was written in guarded texts that have been hidden away?

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posted December 18, 2018 04:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro:

Passover is not in spring

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it definitely is, jesus was celebrating passover during the last supper

look it up

posted December 18, 2018 04:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
it definitely is, jesus was celebrating passover during the last supper

look it up

edit: passover always lines up with easter

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posted December 18, 2018 05:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro:
Even if it’s in spring what’s wrong with that

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