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Lalafortunaea
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posted December 20, 2018 08:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am under the impression, that based on previous experiences with individuals with Virgo placements (mainly more personal planets, incl. sun. rising), that their chart should be read a little differently.


Virgo is about "details", so perhaps it is in the smaller details of their chart that you find them and their characteristics, and not so much what is glaringly obvious.

Can you say this about yourself, and perhaps other Virgo types you know of?

Did you ever look at your chart, or someone else's, and think "What?? I am nothing like that/they don't seem like that!" Only to find there's Virgo, somewhere.... ??

I find Virgo may have "minimizing" effects on main/bigger things, and a "maximizing effect" on smaller things.

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posted December 20, 2018 08:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Conversely, something similar regarding Virgo's opposite, Pisces, may be true. But rather than minimize, dissolve something altogether....

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posted December 20, 2018 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hahh, I was just checking out Genghis Khan's vedic chart while watching 'Mongols'( a movie based on him), turns out he had 6 planets in Virgo(including Mars) in 3H, they say he was a great strategist. And well he did minimize population hahh..

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posted December 20, 2018 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Hahh, I was just checking out Genghis Khan's vedic chart while watching 'Mongols'( a movie based on him), turns out he had 6 planets in Virgo(including Mars) in 3H, they say he was a great strategist. And well he did minimize population hahh..

lol well there's some nice dark humor xD he sure did!

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posted December 20, 2018 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
people don't really pick up on me being a virgo typically and are usually surprised by it, i also can't relate to the sign well either

my sun is at 0 degrees virgo and aspected (square saturn, trine neptune, sextile pluto) so maybe that's it

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posted December 20, 2018 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
people don't really pick up on me being a virgo typically and are usually surprised by it, i also can't relate to the sign well either

my sun is at 0 degrees virgo and aspected (square saturn, trine neptune, sextile pluto) so maybe that's it



Hmmm so what would you say you are more like, in your chart? What details have been "maximized"?

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posted December 20, 2018 10:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:

Hmmm so what would you say you are more like, in your chart? What details have been "maximized"?

people notice libra the most from what i'm told, and i can relate to quite a bit of that

i have venus conjunct libra ascendant

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posted December 20, 2018 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lerena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My boyfriend is a Virgo Sun and he has Mercury in Virgo too. His chart isn't that tricky, because if you interpret it normally, it'll still describe him. I'm just stuck on how to interpret his Midheaven and it's quite possible it's actually in Libra instead of Scorpio. However, I lack the information required to determine this for sure. He separates his work/career from his personal life, meaning he prefers not to mix the two. Otherwise, like I said, I'm able to interpret his chart normally and still get an accurate picture of his personality and other things.

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posted December 20, 2018 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lerena:
He separates his work/career from his personal life, meaning he prefers not to mix the two.

FWIW that's often a Capricornian thing, too.

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posted December 20, 2018 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lerena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
FWIW that's often a Capricornian thing, too.
Yea. His Capricorn Moon and Capricorn Ascendant are why I'm not able to tell if his Scorpio Midheaven fits or not. I wouldn't rule it out entirely, but I never hear about anything that goes on at work.

The only thing I have to go on is Taurus IC probably fits him better than Aries IC.

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posted December 20, 2018 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am a virgo in that I am practical and analytical, responsible. I also am big on alternative forms of medicine such as supplements and herbs but I am not overly critical or get hanged up or stuck in details.

My chart has a lot to balance out those negative tendencies that are associated with been a virgo. I have mercury in virgo in the 9th for example, sag rising and my strongest sign is Sag, My moon is in pisces and my sun opposite moon square Neptune in sag which is at the galactic center and also conjuncts my AC.

Do to my strong sag and pisces influence in my chart I am very much an integration of virgo with pisces and sag, I don't feel my chart is tricky though, is just that I am the creation of all those energies working together in unison and those different ingredients blending in together. I am very adaptive and flexible.

You can also definitely sense my Venus conjunct Mars in Leo trine my AC in Sag, I come off as very warm in how I project myself to the world but you also sense that tenderness and compassion from my moon in pisces or the warrior and rebellious side of me from Mars ruling my IC and having IC in Aries and my chart ruler Jupiter conjuncting Uranus. You can also see/feel the intensity and dramatic flair that comes with having moon ruling my 8th and having venus conjunct mars in LEO in the 8TH. It shows in my face and my obvious expressive facial expressions.

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posted December 20, 2018 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No not for me and my chart. Everything in my chart is obvious and hard to miss if thats what you ment?

My twin brothers are virgo rising and moons, same with them and their charts. Or well wait, its not obvious at all that they have moon in their first house now when I think of it. It has no effect on their looks either. They have virgo asc face and physiques.


I have one friend though, he has sun-merc in virgo. Upon meeting him for the first time ever, 2 years ago, 5 min later I knew for sure he had virgo. I can sense virgo energy immidiately haha. I observed him the first time we met, and he was himself observing, and chill and reserved, his vibe said virgo to me.

His chart though, yes his mars-moon conjunction in aries is a hard nut to crack.
He never gets angry for ex, and its not obvious at all that he has aries moon and mars exactly conjunct and all.

But It may be bc his mars is retrograde

Actually I really wanna learn more about mars retro placement bc of him.

He does not act out virgos health freakiness, or germophobia etc at all though.

I act like I have several planets in virgo when it comes to those matters, and I'm only virgo by asc, wait, that could be the weird thing in my chart right? haha

But all the other sun virgo traits he acts out very much so. He can talk very dismissively, point out ones faults just like that calling it ”being honest”. He will act like he is super irritated by ones failts and mistakes, ”why did you do this or that?! Why are you this way? This is no good!” etc, but in the end he will always be the one to ”serve” and help you out without you asking for it ever.

His venus is in his 6th house cancer. He acts nothing like a cancer venus, but one can see by his facial shape that he has a cancer placement. But anyways thats a house matter since house energy dominates over sign energy.

Sorry for not being anymore helpfull :/

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posted December 20, 2018 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capricorncheriscty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think that would be how you read a chart because by that logic we would have to take into account a single sign's overall theme and then use that to interpret the rest of the chart which is kind of dramatic. So, for example, by this logic we would now have to say that we should only look at a Capricorn's chart in terms of their career goals and life ambitions because Capricorns tend to struggle through these things more than others. Or we should only look at a Libra's chart in terms of their need for balance and approval because they tend to nitpick about these the most. You are saying we should only look at a Virgo's chart in terms of smaller details that affect their lives because they are not really "big picture" people, because they tend to focus more on smaller things, nitpicking and organizing and reshuffling details frequently.


I see where you are going with this logic and how you came to that conclusion, but the logic is a bit funky imo. I'm not sure how to explain it fully in my own words in a way that properly explains what is the problem with this, but for the most part it just seems like many inaccuracies would pop up if analyzing a chart like this. Because you are only taking into account the one sign's traits and saying that one sign's traits must influence the chart as a whole instead of working in tandem with the other signs and houses. I think? I don't know how to explain this myself lol.

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posted December 20, 2018 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Capri
well it wouldn't have to be every single time. Just maybe if there is someone that seems more enigmatic, maybe check if that theme (Virgo minimize, thus making something else bigger) could be applicable.

Of course, aspects would have to be counted, too, I think. It's a premature idea which I think still needs some polishing.

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posted December 20, 2018 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I am a virgo in that I am practical and analytical, responsible. I also am big on alternative forms of medicine such as supplements and herbs but I am not overly critical or get hanged up or stuck in details.

My chart has a lot to balance out those negative tendencies that are associated with been a virgo. I have mercury in virgo in the 9th for example, sag rising and my strongest sign is Sag, My moon is in pisces and my sun opposite moon square Neptune in sag which is at the galactic center and also conjuncts my AC.

Do to my strong sag and pisces influence in my chart I am very much an integration of virgo with pisces and sag, I don't feel my chart is tricky though, is just that I am the creation of all those energies working together in unison and those different ingredients blending in together. I am very adaptive and flexible.

You can also definitely sense my Venus conjunct Mars in Leo trine my AC in Sag, I come off as very warm in how I project myself to the world but you also sense that tenderness and compassion from my moon in pisces or the warrior and rebellious side of me from Mars ruling my IC and having IC in Aries and my chart ruler Jupiter conjuncting Uranus. You can also see/feel the intensity and dramatic flair that comes with having moon ruling my 8th and having venus conjunct mars in LEO in the 8TH. It shows in my face and my obvious expressive facial expressions.


i didn't get any of the virgo organizational skills, attention to detail, responsibility, neatness etc not particularly critical either, or a perfectionist

do like herbal medicine, but i just like plants so i've spent a good chunk of my life reading about them and trying them for all their uses

i got that and the stomach problems because i'm lucky like that lol most of the positive traits and a good deal of the negative ones are lost on me though


@Lalafortunaea

it's probably more about the sign being mutable (same with pisces) than anything

if other things outweigh it then it's not going to show the same or strongly

it's all about the way things balance each other out ultimately


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posted December 20, 2018 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Asc in Virgo near Pluto in Virgo, but I don't see it this way.

The trickier charts are those with Uranus very influential by major aspects, especially with Sun and/or Asc.

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posted December 24, 2018 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 24, 2018 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My chart is pretty straight forward, I think. I have Virgo Sun, Mercury, and Venus. Scorpio MC w/Pluto conjunct it. Capricorn ASC, Uranus, Neptune and Saturn.

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posted December 25, 2018 01:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
Conversely, something similar regarding Virgo's opposite, Pisces, may be true. But rather than minimize, dissolve something altogether....

I found this slightly humorous .

I noticed that Mercury ruled folks don't like to be " figured out" especially Gemini. That there is always some skewed error in the way that you see them etc.

You say to an Aries "You are assertive, at times aggressive go getter who doesn't care to go at it alone" and their response is "F*** yeah.That's me"

You say to a Virgo " You are a fussy analytic person who is prone to nervous complaints of the body due to stress brought on by your preoccupation with details"

The Virgo above will say, "First off, I wouldn't say I am " fussy" per se. That's not the right word. What I think you meant to say is "prudent"......"

And on and on and on and on they will go

So I wouldn't say Virgo's chart is "trickier" . Most just refuse to like the words you use to describe or interpret it. And that can make it difficult in trying to engage them.

Virgo's/Gemini's and Mercury types are all about the semantics. Pay close attention to that and don't be sloppy or careless.

They will catch you out and emphasize how "wrong" you are in using this phrase instead of that or this word when you could have chosen that one instead etc. Be careful with words.

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posted December 25, 2018 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I found this slightly humorous .

I noticed that Mercury ruled folks don't like to be " figured out" especially Gemini. That there is always some skewed error in the way that you see them etc.

You say to an Aries "You are assertive, at times aggressive go getter who doesn't care to go at it alone" and their response is "F*** yeah.That's me"

You say to a Virgo " You are a fussy analytic person who is prone to nervous complaints of the body due to stress brought on by your preoccupation with details"

The Virgo above will say, "First off, I wouldn't say I am " fussy" per se. That's not the right word. What I think you meant to say is "prudent"......"

And on and on and on and on they will go

So I wouldn't say Virgo's chart is "trickier" . Most just refuse to like the words you use to describe or interpret it. And that can make it difficult in trying to engage them.

Virgo's/Gemini's and Mercury types are all about the semantics. Pay close attention to that and don't be sloppy or careless.

They will catch you out and emphasize how "wrong" you are in using this phrase instead of that or this word when you could have chosen that one instead etc. Be careful with words.


if someone says they can't relate maybe they're just being honest and it has nothing to do with semantics or a desire to remain mysterious

people who are into astrology often believe charts over people

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posted December 25, 2018 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I found this slightly humorous .

I noticed that Mercury ruled folks don't like to be " figured out" especially Gemini. That there is always some skewed error in the way that you see them etc.



Oh, yes, trueee! I guess that's why Mercury is also called quicksilver. Slippery.


And glad you found it funny

Sometimes I can't help but think of Pisces (and Neptune) as the equivalent of nail polish remover. "Everything that can be removed, WILL be removed!" Regarding their the dissolution of certain boundaries and traits ~

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Virgo's/Gemini's and Mercury types are all about the semantics. Pay close attention to that and don't be sloppy or careless.

They will catch you out and emphasize how "wrong" you are in using this phrase instead of that or this word when you could have chosen that one instead etc. Be careful with words.


Maybe what you describe is what I pick up on, the desire to have things explained or expressed in a different way or in a very particular way, which in its own way kind of IS reminiscent of Pisces' smokescreen. We've all got a little bit of our opposite, after all.

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posted December 25, 2018 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aamhz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
people don't really pick up on me being a virgo typically and are usually surprised by it, i also can't relate to the sign well either

my sun is at 0 degrees virgo and aspected (square saturn, trine neptune, sextile pluto) so maybe that's it



Would you mind posting your chart? Perhaps since Saturn restricts/minimizes what it touches, that may cause your Sun qualities (i.e. sign) to be suppressed - but there might be more.

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posted December 25, 2018 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
if someone says they can't relate maybe they're just being honest and it has nothing to do with semantics or a desire to remain mysterious

people who are into astrology often believe charts over people


Its a fine line. I can't tell you that you are something that you know that you are not.

But in the same breath, I could tell you something that you never thought yourself to be. Only to find that what I said is indeed how you may be etc.

I often don't try to engage people in astrology until I have felt them out.

One person will deny everything. Say you are "wrong". Absolutely nothing you say is them.Nothing.

Then later on they will say " I think you may have had a point there when you said...." Etc.

I think some level of self awareness is necessary. Not involving ones ego in analysing another is needed. So I don't make a great astrologer.

As I would want to enquire and find out how and why I am wrong. And some people can send you on a verbal loop. Only to come out from the opposite side and say "you were right all along" etc.

I told a Virgo Moon friend that I think that he would be excellent at forensics.He doesn't miss a THING. As he was thinking of studying further.

I only mentioned this in passing and casually. I thought he would do more research and find out more for himself etc. But he clapped back quickly.

He argued with me about the profession and went into great detail as to why he would be all wrong for it.

Three hours into it, I got a headache from listening and said that we should just leave it alone. He can do whatever he wants.

Later that same year he asked me for career advice again. That he had actually looked up forensics and found it fascinating. So he wondered which he would be good at I.e commerce or criminal? And I said "I don't know"

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posted December 25, 2018 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aamhz:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dumuzi:
[b]people don't really pick up on me being a virgo typically and are usually surprised by it, i also can't relate to the sign well either

my sun is at 0 degrees virgo and aspected (square saturn, trine neptune, sextile pluto) so maybe that's it



Would you mind posting your chart? Perhaps since Saturn restricts/minimizes what it touches, that may cause your Sun qualities (i.e. sign) to be suppressed - but there might be more.[/B][/QUOTE]

I am not a stereotypical virgo and I don't have saturn aspecting my sun or mercury. If anything Saturn aspecting sun in virgo would generate those supposedly virgo qualities like worrying too much and been too self-critical.

Sag is my strongest sign and both my sun and moon aspect Neptune in sag and I have southnode and AC in sag plus my mercury in virgo falls in my 9th.

I am not a clean freak who is obsessed with having an assigned spot for everything in their house, I have Aries on my IC, not virgo on my IC! LOL and I don't have virgo rising either, people have this idea that virgos are a certain way really have to look at the whole chart. We do tend to be hard working, responsible, practical and analytical and are big on personal responsibility, we tend to be independent too but not all of us are neurotic worriers with OCD, and quite frankly this stereotype is super annoying as many markers (aspects like having both mercury square saturn and uranus can lead to a restless mind conducive to negative thinking) have to show UP in the chart to point to an anxious personality or someone who has OCD tendencies, I also don't have an obsession with details or organization or am super picky Sorry is just not the case.

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posted December 25, 2018 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^Now sun in virgo aspect Uranus can make the person rebel agains't virgo qualities they posses and act the opposite of what is expected. I don't have sun aspect Uranus though personally, Is just that my chart does not have this super strong virgo presence, its complex.

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