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Topic: Suicide and depression peak around Christmas time - astrological explanation?
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Aries23Degrees
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From: South Africa
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posted December 25, 2018 05:19 PM
  
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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
This. Also, for me, it's ****** thanks to it being the first Christmas without my mom around (she died from Cancer June 1st this year).
I feel you  All I can do is send air hugs IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
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posted December 25, 2018 05:25 PM
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
sorry to hear that, hopefully he's alrightyou stopping by or anything to check on him?
I am going back around the 29th.Always annoy him with long, drawn out hugs when I see him. We talk often. I talked to him this morning. I feel like Saturn heavy people need lots of affection(Aqua incl). And perhaps there is a reason why Cancer is famous for hugs? Coz Cancer gives hugs. And Cap/Aqua needs em?  IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
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posted December 25, 2018 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by Melinn:
I'm for ex one of those who will start to cry when I'm happy. Sometimes because I will feel "graditude". Sometimes because, I feel sad even when happy. Its like ones soul never feeling satisfied and truly happy with, worldly things.
^ Amen. Okay. Now I can die. You just happen to sum up my spiritual moments  Deeply personal & filled with sadness and holiness all at once. Heaped in gratitude Well said.
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hypatia238
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From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode
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posted December 25, 2018 05:32 PM
Merry Christmas my Lindaland Friends!!!!  IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted December 25, 2018 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by kani:
My sister constantly brings up the past and she has nothing in Cancer. She also gets obsessive about people (if they did her wrong for instance) and can't stop going on about them. She doesn't have major Pluto aspects and nothing in the 8th house either, so I really don't understand where that comes from astrologically.
I have a chart that would indicate this type of behaviour more (moon sq Pluto, mercury in 8th, Pluto in 4) but I'm not like that at all.
I get melancholic when I'm pms-ing though. But other than that, not really
Well that is your moon square pluto acting out when you PMS, this is a monthly thing so I would consider you someone who is melancholic. The moon rules our monthly cycle and Pluto rules your reproductive organs and moon/pluto values strong bonds so when you PMS that stuff is brought to the surface with your monthly cycle. My melancholia is often triggered by my monthly cycle and I have moon ruling my 8th biquintile Pluto forming a Golden yod with chiron. What rules your sister's IC and what is her IC ruler doing in her chart? What house does her IC ruler fall in and what does it aspect? Same questions for her 8th house ruler... I don't have anything in Cancer at all but my Mars rules my IC and conjuncts under 1 degree my venus and both fall in the 8th so I have a tendency to be nostalgic, when I was young for many years I was living in the past, kind of stuck in the past, I overcome that though. Can you post her chart? So she gets attached and has a hard time letting go and always remembers fondly the past becomes nostalgic and reminisces? IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted December 25, 2018 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
This. Also, for me, it's ****** thanks to it being the first Christmas without my mom around (she died from Cancer June 1st this year).
OMG Electro I am so so sorry for your loss! I am truly sorry, that really sucks. May she rest in peace
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hypatia238
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posted December 25, 2018 06:37 PM
"You will heal. Because you laugh with all your soul, because you have a noble heart, because life has something better waiting for you. Because you deserve it. And because in spite of everything, you shine even with a broken soul." IP: Logged |
bluesky
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posted December 26, 2018 03:07 AM
It's the winter darkness and crummy weather. I start to slide into depression from August onwards (sun is then transiting my 12th house) progressing from September through to December. End of Sagittarius, as it happens. Once the sun moves into Capricorn, things start to move again. But yeah, the focus on family is all too great, and mine used to have bust-ups every single school holidays, since my mother and I never got on. I'm glad I don't have to go see them/ trot out Xmas dinner, if you know what I mean. IP: Logged |
kani
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posted December 26, 2018 07:47 AM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Well that is your moon square pluto acting out when you PMS, this is a monthly thing so I would consider you someone who is melancholic. The moon rules our monthly cycle and Pluto rules your reproductive organs and moon/pluto values strong bonds so when you PMS that stuff is brought to the surface with your monthly cycle. My melancholia is often triggered by my monthly cycle and I have moon ruling my 8th biquintile Pluto forming a Golden yod with chiron.What rules your sister's IC and what is her IC ruler doing in her chart? What house does her IC ruler fall in and what does it aspect? Same questions for her 8th house ruler... I don't have anything in Cancer at all but my Mars rules my IC and conjuncts under 1 degree my venus and both fall in the 8th so I have a tendency to be nostalgic, when I was young for many years I was living in the past, kind of stuck in the past, I overcome that though. Can you post her chart? So she gets attached and has a hard time letting go and always remembers fondly the past becomes nostalgic and reminisces?
Her IC ruler is Saturn and it is in the 1st house. And yes she reminisces about the past very often. Here is her chart 
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Melinn
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From: Sweden
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posted December 26, 2018 07:56 AM
One of the indicators can also be seen by her neptune contact to her mercury and sun. Neptune is also their ruler. I know neptune in 4th gives this, the need and ability to remember past happenings, childhood memories etc. I read this happens mostly when neptune is in 4th. But if neptune has that ability, it surely should give one that if its in contact with mercury (mind) and sun (identity). Just my way of analyzing things.. Also her south node is conjunct her IC--- and N.node is in, Cancer...well, mystery solved?! Or em I wrong?  IP: Logged |
sleepthan
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From: USA
Registered: Dec 2018
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posted December 26, 2018 07:57 AM
Suicide does NOT peak around Christmas time. This is a long-perpetuated myth and any official source can tell you it's false. It actually peaks around spring and fall, I think.IP: Logged |
Melinn
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posted December 26, 2018 07:58 AM
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Melinn
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posted December 26, 2018 08:08 AM
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Originally posted by sleepthan:
Suicide does NOT peak around Christmas time. This is a long-perpetuated myth and any official source can tell you it's false. It actually peaks around spring and fall, I think.
Well, it depends on the studie actually. A studie in Sweden (we have really high suicide rates) shows new years eve and the day monday is the most popular days to take suicide (in Sweden). One other studie found that Summer and spring had high rates of suicide. The studie linked this to factors like: Melatonin production changes during spring-summer ans some people are more sensetive to thise hormonal changes. One other factor was, this is the season when we socialize the most (like in holidays). But also people who are alone can feel extra alone in summer if they have no social life (again, as in holidays with no family at all... or a family, but too much family drama.. sigh) and surprice surprice, alcohol, the mother of all evil haha.. swedes consume lots of alcohol, especially during summer.
I dunno, of course there are so many things, and every individual is different. Some would withstand so much pain and **** and would never take ones life. Some can snap during stressful times... its all up to the individual etc
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hypatia238
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posted December 26, 2018 10:21 AM
I personally haven't read anywhere that suicide rates are highest in December. The title of the thread surprised me bc it doesn't match my personal experience either as a therapist and wondered were she read that, yet research shows suicide rates are highest in spring and summer followed by fall, and winter has the lowest rates, this is fascinating. Thanks sleepthan.Looking at it this way astrologically spring starts with impulsive aries and Dec is mostly optimistic Sag that likes to keep in mind the bigger picture and this mindset tends to help people ride through the hard times and hang in there, then it transitions to Capricorn which is a goal oriented energy that prepares people to come up with new year resolutions and helps people start the year with goals and clarity, driven. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted December 26, 2018 10:28 AM
Interesting mother's day lands in Taurus and the moon is exalted in Taurus yet father's day lands in gemini, it shouldn't land in gemini, is not siblings day.IP: Logged |
Lalafortunaea
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posted December 26, 2018 03:13 PM
"Spring and/or summer" can be from September to February.This'll help: http://i.imgur.com/CJvfOdD.jpg
I don't think the "Christmas suicide" was ever really a myth. Just misunderstood due to confusions.
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hypatia238
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posted December 26, 2018 05:07 PM
I cant open that link but it says french in the link..are you talking about the suicide rates in France?Here in the US is were the statistics of higuest suicide rate happen during Spring and Summer: In the Northern Hemisphere winter ends and spring starts at the moment of the March equinox, which occurs every year between March 19 and March 21 (Aries). Spring ends and summer starts at the moment of the June solstice, which occurs every year between June 20 and June 22 (Cancer). I could see how someone who has been depressed for a long time would have the courage/confidence to do it during Aries season as Aries is known for taking risks, aggression, been impulsive... IP: Logged |
Lalafortunaea
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posted December 26, 2018 06:20 PM
Hm weird. Well I changed the link/took a screenshot. I guess it depends where in the world these studies were done, and which ones overlap. Someone saying December might understand "winter" while someone saying spring might understand "April"  IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted December 26, 2018 08:01 PM
So were did you get this information that says that suicides peak during Christmas time? What article did you read this on?IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness
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posted December 26, 2018 09:13 PM
Ahhh there is one here http://tendaily.com.au/news/australia/a181223cdv/christmas-crisis-domestic-violence-suicide-calls-spike-in-holiday-period-20181224 Found another one too but it says page not found rofl. IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo
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posted December 27, 2018 12:41 AM
My Saturn-Chiron opposition tends to be the most sensitive point in my chart for depression. I actually do go through a spell of depression during December and January, which I think has to do with Capricorn planets transiting over my natal Saturn/opposing my Chiron. It also happens during the summer, when transiting Cancer planets conjunct my Chiron.I'm also not a fan of Christmas - in principle, yes, and when talking about the season of giving I wholeheartedly believe in the concept. But the commercialism and societal pressure to have a *perfect* Christmas is depressing for many, including myself. I also don't like the idea of spending time with toxic family. So I can see how that would negatively affect people like myself. The holidays can be very lonely for many. IP: Logged |
charlie
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posted December 27, 2018 06:20 AM
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Originally posted by Melinn:
As a moon opposite saturn person, melancholy is my middle name since I have known myself...I guess it could be capri sun. But the suicide rates are high in scandinavia for ex, and it has been linked to everything from the dark and short days during november-february, to D3 defieency (chronic amongst majority of the scandinavians) and, atheism (very big in scandinavia).. Family ties being, very weak (as opposed to other cultures where family is very important) Substansce abuse since, well west loves their alcohol take your pick  (and hope I did not offend anyone, I feel I have to say this, bc I seem to come off offensive to people when I communicate via text) Really its due to many factors of course^^
Ugh...Sweden...where to begin?!?! *sigh* IP: Logged |
Melinn
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posted December 29, 2018 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by charlie:
Ugh...Sweden...where to begin?!?! *sigh*
Haha right? Well you have atleast managed to escape this dark miserable little country
I'm stuck! IP: Logged |
charlie
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posted December 29, 2018 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by Melinn:
Haha right? Well you have atleast managed to escape this dark miserable little country
I'm stuck!
I’m back since late 2013. Same shite. Possibly worse! IP: Logged |
Melinn
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posted December 29, 2018 02:22 PM
The swedish government owned news chanel just published a new studie, that shows that the suicides rates in Sweden increases to the double! In new years eve! Oh my! They connected this to alcohol triggering anxiety and making it worse. The studie also showed that , the rates for males taking suicide on new years eve is five times higher then females. Yikes! Some other statistics:In year 2017
1189 persons died by suicude. 841 were males! (because they wont open up to people for help) 348 females. I can link to the article, but its in swedish^^ IP: Logged |
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