posted December 25, 2018 11:08 AM            

My own hypothesis is because (maybe partly due to this) the sun is in Capricorn. Not that Capricorn is suicidal, but rather, Capricorn is known for melancholy, and that melancholy can and/or could affect some people in different ways depending on where it is in their chart.

posted December 25, 2018 12:57 PM            

It increases that feeling of not being "loved" or wanted by anyone in the world.

posted December 25, 2018 01:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Its the overemphasis on family. Really annoying when you are far away from them either psychologically or physically.

It increases that feeling of not being "loved" or wanted by anyone in the world.

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posted December 25, 2018 01:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Its the overemphasis on family. Really annoying when you are far away from them either psychologically or physically.

It increases that feeling of not being "loved" or wanted by anyone in the world.

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posted December 25, 2018 01:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Its the overemphasis on family. Really annoying when you are far away from them either psychologically or physically.

It increases that feeling of not being "loved" or wanted by anyone in the world.

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posted December 25, 2018 01:40 PM            

I guess it could be capri sun. But the suicide rates are high in scandinavia for ex, and it has been linked to everything from the dark and short days during november-february, to D3 defieency (chronic amongst majority of the scandinavians) and, atheism (very big in scandinavia).. Family ties being, very weak (as opposed to other cultures where family is very important)

Substansce abuse since, well west loves their alcohol

take your pick (and hope I did not offend anyone, I feel I have to say this, bc I seem to come off offensive to people when I communicate via text)

posted December 25, 2018 01:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:
As a moon opposite saturn person, melancholy is my middle name since I have known myself...

I guess it could be capri sun. But the suicide rates are high in scandinavia for ex, and it has been linked to everything from the dark and short days during november-february, to D3 defieency (chronic amongst majority of the scandinavians) and, atheism (very big in scandinavia).. Family ties being, very weak (as opposed to other cultures where family is very important)

Substansce abuse since, well west loves their alcohol

take your pick (and hope I did not offend anyone, I feel I have to say this, bc I seem to come off offensive to people when I communicate via text)

Really its due to many factors of course^^

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Everything you said makes sense...

Family ties are so important, with my progressed moon in cancer I am more appreciative of family ties and how uterlly important they are....

posted December 25, 2018 02:00 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Everything you said makes sense...

Family ties are so important, with my progressed moon in cancer I am more appreciative of family ties and how uterlly important they are....

Capricorn is melancholic??? I thought that was my moon in pisces ruling my 8th that made me nostalgic and melancholic...

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Nope, definitely saturn-moon thing in my case and many I know personally with this aspect.
Also what I have read by other astrologers aswell. Saturn-moon is highly linked to melancholia. (And being saturnian in general of course, which I am, saturn seems to be my 3rd strongest planet).

I know Aries23 did comment this aspect as "someone who likes feeling sorry for him/herself" :P I can attest to that. Thank god I have aspects that helps me pull myself together. But melancholia is my moons "climate", I can't get rid of that. Its always there.

I'm for ex one of those who will start to cry when I'm happy. Sometimes because I will feel "graditude". Sometimes because, I feel sad even when happy.

Its like ones soul never feeling satisfied and truly happy with, worldly things.

I would say pisces moon would make one extra intune with feelings and energies and extra "sensetive" and empathic and thus more open to al kinds of feelings? I can not know since I have no pisces/neptune moon.

I would not connect 8th house with melancholia either

posted December 25, 2018 02:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
rough christmas?

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Not for me. But my friend never does well at this time of year.

I tell him to come home with me and he flatly refuses. Says he doesn't want to "impose" etc. But I know my family wouldn't mind. They are a generous lot.

posted December 25, 2018 02:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:
Nope, definitely saturn-moon thing in my case and many personally with this aspect.
Also what I have read by other astrologers aswell. Saturn-moon is highly linked to melancholia. (And being saturnian in general of course, which I am, saturn seems to be my 3rd strongest planet)

I would say pisces moon would make one extra intune with feelings and extra "sensetive" and empathic and thus more open to al kinds of feelings? I can not know since I have no pisces/neptune moon.

I would not connect 8th house with melancholia either

What saturn aspects do you have?

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Really? I thought it was a cancer thing...

My parents and brother are all Capricorns and my husband has sun conjunct Saturn and none of them are melancholic, I am the one that brings up the past a lot! My husband has moon square saturn and moon in cancer...he is not melancholic.

Can you share link were you read this? What is melancholic to you?

posted December 25, 2018 02:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
At around this time of year, my Cancer Moon feels like hugging everyone and telling them that all is okay, they are loved and that they are not alone.

I get the sadness that this time brings. I really do. I was once estranged from family for years. And this time of year HURT.

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posted December 25, 2018 02:28 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Really? I thought it was a cancer thing...

My parents and brother are all Capricorns and my husband has sun conjunct Saturn and none of them are melancholic, I am the one that brings up the past a lot! My husband has moon square saturn and moon in cancer...he is not melancholic.

Can you share link were you read this? What is melancholic to you?

I have saturn conjunct pluto, saturn in scorpio rules my 2nd house.

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Yes I'm big on sharing links, but this is things I have read over the years and got stuck, so I will see if I can find via google when I got the time^^

I have to point at also, males are absolutely Not, as intune with their feelings and emotions, sorry but thats a fact.

They often get to grasp the "secondary" feeling, but not the primary feeling. Like feeling anger (secondary feeling) when infact they are very sad etc. Which is the case for females aswell, but we often easily discern between our emotions.

Also, moon is more sensetive for females according to astrology, that we live out our moons more then males do etc

posted December 25, 2018 02:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Its the overemphasis on family. Really annoying when you are far away from them either psychologically or physically.

It increases that feeling of not being "loved" or wanted by anyone in the world.

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This.

posted December 25, 2018 02:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Not for me. But my friend never does well at this time of year.

I tell him to come home with me and he flatly refuses. Says he doesn't want to "impose" etc. But I know my family wouldn't mind. They are a generous lot.

This year its been especially hard because Saturn is on his Asc/Jupiter and Saturn by conj/ square respectively. Very, very hard.

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sorry to hear that, hopefully he's alright

posted December 25, 2018 02:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:
Yes I'm big on sharing links, but this is things I have read over the years and got stuck, so I will see if I can find via google when I got the time^^

I have to point at also, males are absolutely Not, as intune with their feelings and emotions, sorry but thats a fact.

They often get to grasp the "secondary" feeling, but not the primary feeling. Like feeling anger (secondary feeling) when infact they are very sad etc. Which is the case for females aswell, but we often easily discern between our emotions.

Also, moon is more sensetive for females according to astrology, that we live out our moons more then males do etc

With all this, what I try to explain is, melancholia may be an emotion females are more capable to sense and live out. Also of course, an aspects energy may manifest differently for individuals

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I am highly aware of all that.

You have a stellium in the 8th which like me can indicate difficulty letting go bc you live life intensely and form deep attachments which can lead to melancholia, I mean my mars rules the IC and conjuncts my Venus on the 8th so this is the case for me..

What rules your 4th? Does your 4th house ruler happen to fall in your 8th house too?

posted December 25, 2018 03:40 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I am highly aware of all that.

You have a stellium in the 8th which like me can indicate difficulty letting go bc you live life intensely and form deep attachments which can lead to melancholia, I mean my mars rules the IC and conjuncts my Venus on the 8th so this is the case for me..

What rules your 4th? Does your 4th house ruler happen to fall in your 8th house too?

When Saturn squared my moon I felt lonely, isolated, a bit numb but also more detached and less vulnerable...Loneliness can lead to melancholic feelings but it comes from feeling isolated and disconnected when Saturn is involved but when cancer/scorpio is involved is bc they get deeply attached and have a hard time letting go...

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Of course you are aware!

posted December 25, 2018 03:54 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I am highly aware of all that.

You have a stellium in the 8th which like me can indicate difficulty letting go bc you live life intensely and form deep attachments which can lead to melancholia, I mean my mars rules the IC and conjuncts my Venus on the 8th so this is the case for me..

What rules your 4th? Does your 4th house ruler happen to fall in your 8th house too?

When Saturn squared my moon I felt lonely, isolated, a bit numb but also more detached and less vulnerable...Loneliness can lead to melancholic feelings but it comes from feeling isolated and disconnected when Saturn is involved but when cancer/scorpio is involved is bc they get deeply attached and have a hard time letting go...

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Yes I understand how you mean... my melancholia does not seem to be connected to "attachments" only.

But what do I know? I have never been to deep therapy or anything...

Although yes I do get seperation anxiety and super hard time letting go. Its all or nothing...

My 4th house is occopied with saturn and uranus though..

Ruler jupiter in 8th, well.. fudge!

Moon-saturn, also gives fear of new beginnings, and fear of letting go, thise descriptions have been imprinted in me:

"Ruled by Saturn, there is a cold, dark side to Capricorn. It is suspicious and melancholic and must guard against depression (it gets lonely at the top)" source:https://astrolibrary.org/capricorn/

And this following text, I have encountered its alike many times:
"Saturn rules Capricorn, and it is the sign opposite Moon-ruled Cancer.

Cancer is unconditional Divine Mother love. Capricorn is conditional “Father in Heaven” love.

You have to earn it by working hard, excelling and being good, better, best.

It is a love based on discrimination and judgment, “I love you because you have lived up to my expectations.” Of course, if a child does not or cannot live up to expectations, he is left feeling, “I’ll never be good enough.

I’ll never be really loved no matter how hard I try, so why try?” Therein lies the foundation for chronic, life-long depression and melancholia.

If a person has not, as an adult, broken the psychological umbilical cord to “Mother,” he is still waiting for somebody to love him.

He cannot become an authority, develop an “inner father” in his own right, and must continually depend on someone, something (church, army, government, etc.) external to himself to set limits, make rules, take control."

And

"In addition to the depression and melancholia mentioned above, guilt is very strongly connected with Capricorn and Saturn, for there is a tendency to sensual indulgence on one hand, and stringent practical demands on the other (an inherent rebellion). Addictions are hooked into this cycle.

Capricorn is conservative (relative to Sagittarius’ largesse and Aquarius’ liberality) and concerned with the “status quo.” There is progress, but only slow progress in terms of order and structure. The structure, the establishment, cannot be threatened. At even the hint of a threat to the structure, ruthless and totalitarian methods may be used to defend it and hang onto it."
Source: http://astrologyclub.org/zodiac-signs/capricorn-zodiac/

posted December 25, 2018 04:01 PM            

There is some other things I recently discovered, how some of my behaviour is connected to saturn and the themes above,

it actually gave me a break through about my personality! I'm really excited about it, (also melancholic about it ahaha)
maybe I can share it or start a thread or something later^^

posted December 25, 2018 04:07 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Really? I thought it was a cancer thing...

I am the one that brings up the past a lot!
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posted December 25, 2018 05:16 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I totally hugged you in my head earlier btw!!!! Lol bf you said any of this

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