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Topic: Do you relate more to your Western or Vedic chart?
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Leo-Cancer98 Knowflake Posts: 517 From: Toronto,Ontario,Canada Registered: Nov 2014
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posted January 05, 2019 10:28 AM
Good morning everyone,I’m a Sagittarius Moon in my Western chart and I recently found out I have a Scorpio Moon in my Vedic one. That must explain why I don’t relate to certain characteristics of Sag Moon. What about you?! IP: Logged |
Somna7H Knowflake Posts: 765 From: East India Company Registered: Apr 2018
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posted January 05, 2019 10:35 AM
Vedic.But my both Venus and Moon in Gemini 2nd House for both systems. Two differenth systems have different ways to tell characteristics of native. I like Aspetcs Results of Western. I like Dasa and Naksatra of Vedic very much. ------------------ My Chart : http://imgur.com/hCRDawD IP: Logged |
Dumuzi Knowflake Posts: 645 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted January 05, 2019 11:08 AM
i think they both describe me from a different perspectivei go from an aries moon to a pisces (revati) moon IP: Logged |
DRVM614K Knowflake Posts: 169 From: Columbus, Ohio, US Registered: Nov 2018
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posted January 05, 2019 11:17 AM
My asc stayed in cap but Sun went from Taurus to Aries, moon from leo to cancer. Mc from scorpio to Libra. Mars from pisces to aqua. Plus vedic doesn't account for Uranus,neptune and Pluto. Astrology isn't astrology to me without plutoIP: Logged |
anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 6732 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted January 05, 2019 12:07 PM
I go from having 6 planets in water to having 6 planets in air and no water. I can definitely relate to nakshatras of vedic, I wouldn't say that I'm like an Aquarius tho, but I can relate to having 5 th house stellium which I have in Vedic.IP: Logged |
Electro DGX Moderator Posts: 2056 From: Mars Registered: Jul 2015
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posted January 05, 2019 12:20 PM
Western. Never resonated with VedicIP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 6706 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted January 05, 2019 12:37 PM
Both. I don't know how. But i do.Gemini Moon in sidereal/Pisces Asc.
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Melinn Knowflake Posts: 1111 From: Sweden Registered: Jul 2017
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posted January 05, 2019 03:13 PM
Well actually, they seem to tell the same story, its the same themes, but small shifts.All the planets are in the same houses, they have the same aspects. They just change signs. And I have by now learned, signs comes at third place. Aspects and house energies are dominant. Then we can look at signs^^ IP: Logged |
Electro DGX Moderator Posts: 2056 From: Mars Registered: Jul 2015
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posted January 05, 2019 03:16 PM
quote: Originally posted by Melinn: Well actually, they seem to tell the same story, its the same themes, but small shifts.All the planets are in the same houses, they have the same aspects. They just change signs. And I have by now learned, signs comes at third place. Aspects and house energies are dominant. Then we can look at signs^^
Hmm.. So by that analogy, you would suggest that having my Moon in the 8th opposite Pluto by 0°01' is closer to Scorpio Moon than Scorpio Moon on its own? IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 6732 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted January 06, 2019 02:46 AM
^ The theme of Scorpio Moon is different. Moon/Pluto is similar to it but at the same time also different coz it depends on the signs they are in, the houses they are in, the aspects they are involved in. Even two different Moon opp. Pluto may not manifest in a similar manner, it being similar to a Scorpio Moon is a bit too far. A Plutonian is different from a Scorpio. A Moon in 8th in itself is different than a Scorpio Moon. IP: Logged |
Melinn Knowflake Posts: 1111 From: Sweden Registered: Jul 2017
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posted January 06, 2019 05:38 AM
quote: Originally posted by Electro DGX: Hmm.. So by that analogy, you would suggest that having my Moon in the 8th opposite Pluto by 0°01' is closer to Scorpio Moon than Scorpio Moon on its own?
Same themes . As for how they manifest I have no idea. I don't know much about vedic. And I too always tell about planets aspects being stronger then signs. Thats why I only used the expression "same themes". Not same energies, or something like that. Also I'm confused. The planet aspects are the same in my both charts. They don't change. Its only the signs that change. All the planets are in the same houses and have the same aspects in both charts. I don't know if this differs for you guys? edit: Or do we only talk about the moon here? Sorry I missed that detail! IP: Logged |
Dumuzi Knowflake Posts: 645 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted January 06, 2019 06:43 AM
quote: Originally posted by Melinn: Same themes . As for how they manifest I have no idea. I don't know much about vedic.And I too always tell about planets aspects being stronger then signs. Thats why I only used the expression "same themes". Not same energies, or something like that. Also I'm confused. The planet aspects are the same in my both charts. They don't change. Its only the signs that change. All the planets are in the same houses and have the same aspects in both charts. I don't know if this differs for you guys? edit: Or do we only talk about the moon here? Sorry I missed that detail!
they typically will be in the same houses and have the same angles because everything is set back 24 degrees uniformly
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Aries Eagle Moderator Posts: 1438 From: Λ Ἄρης Λ Registered: Jan 2013
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posted January 06, 2019 07:26 AM
Defo Western. Im Gemini moon Pisces sun in vedic which is a joke because anyone sees me sees the Aries energy directly.------------------ “When a person really desires something, all the universe conspires to help that person to realize his dream.” -The Alchemist by Paulo Coelho Ares IP: Logged |
Plut0nian2 Knowflake Posts: 696 From: Registered: Apr 2014
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posted January 06, 2019 08:42 AM
Western 200% Moon in Pisces is on point Can't change it for Aqua (although I would love to, but I can't relate at all when it comes to Aqua Moon, if it was for my Sun to be in Aqua then yes but Moon? no way) My Uranus and Pluto aspects describe 35% of my personality and my western house placements another good 50%.. There are too many things wrong when it comes to my vedic chart but I won't explain all those things because this comment will be huge. However I like my vedic chart way more to be honest. I wish I could relate to that and not to my western one.
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Plut0nian2 Knowflake Posts: 696 From: Registered: Apr 2014
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posted January 06, 2019 08:52 AM
quote: Originally posted by Dumuzi: they typically will be in the same houses and have the same angles because everything is set back 24 degrees uniformly
I may be doing smth wrong but in my case Sun is in 1st H instead of 12th H Mercury is in 2nd h instead of 1st H Saturn is in 7th H instead of 8th H. I don't know if I remember 100% correctly but not all planets were in the same houses for sure. I don't remember how to calculate my vedic chart in astro.com IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 6706 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted January 06, 2019 09:27 AM
Is it possible that many people on here are using the Western understanding to interpret the Eastern chart? And I don't think that that would give satisfactory results.It would be like slaughtering a goat in my backyard in a suburb in Los Angeles. Many would be horrified and my neighbors would simply not understand what I am doing. Whereas in the South African context, the slaughtering of a goat has a symbolic meaning attached to it. Locals would not think it odd at all. IP: Logged |
Dumuzi Knowflake Posts: 645 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted January 06, 2019 09:29 AM
quote: Originally posted by Plut0nian2: I may be doing smth wrong but in my case Sun is in 1st H instead of 12th H Mercury is in 2nd h instead of 1st H Saturn is in 7th H instead of 8th H. I don't know if I remember 100% correctly but not all planets were in the same houses for sure. I don't remember how to calculate my vedic chart in astro.com
well it'll be whole sign, but that does happen
if you have say a planet in the late degrees of one sign and a planet in the early degrees of the next they'll end up in the same house when everything shifts back 24 degrees it probably isnt you doing anything wrong, just your chart mine everything stays in the same houses in whole sign that they would be anyway, but that's not what you get every time do you normally use placidus? IP: Logged |
Dumuzi Knowflake Posts: 645 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted January 06, 2019 09:34 AM
quote: Originally posted by Aries23Degrees: Is it possible that many people on here are using the Western understanding to interpret the Eastern chart? And I don't think that that would give satisfactory results.It would be like slaughtering a goat in my backyard in a suburb in Los Angeles. Many would be horrified and my neighbors would simply not understand what I am doing. Whereas in the South African context, the slaughtering of a goat has a symbolic meaning attached to it. Locals would not think it odd at all.
you can technically use both, sidereal placements read the way you would a western chart still yield accurate readings using both systems gives further accuracy and depth but you dont need vedic to read placements people just get used to one generally to me they just come off like different perspectives to describe the same person like asking 2 different people to describe someone they both know IP: Logged |
Plut0nian2 Knowflake Posts: 696 From: Registered: Apr 2014
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posted January 06, 2019 10:01 AM
quote: Originally posted by Dumuzi: well it'll be whole sign, but that does happen if you have say a planet in the late degrees of one sign and a planet in the early degrees of the next they'll end up in the same house when everything shifts back 24 degrees it probably isnt you doing anything wrong, just your chart mine everything stays in the same houses in whole sign that they would be anyway, but that's not what you get every time do you normally use placidus?
I see Yes I use placidus because I find every planet (except of Jupiter and Chiron that I don't know if I could relate to any of the possible houses they fall in) is in the house it should be for me to relate. With the other systems something is missing or there will be smth that I can not relate.
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StubbornVirgo Knowflake Posts: 2451 From: Welcome to Mercury Registered: Jul 2015
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posted January 06, 2019 10:59 AM
quote: Originally posted by Aries23Degrees: Is it possible that many people on here are using the Western understanding to interpret the Eastern chart? And I don't think that that would give satisfactory results.It would be like slaughtering a goat in my backyard in a suburb in Los Angeles. Many would be horrified and my neighbors would simply not understand what I am doing. Whereas in the South African context, the slaughtering of a goat has a symbolic meaning attached to it. Locals would not think it odd at all.
Symbolic or not, that poor goat... I understand the point of your metaphor, though. IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo Knowflake Posts: 2451 From: Welcome to Mercury Registered: Jul 2015
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posted January 06, 2019 11:01 AM
Both.IP: Logged |
Electro DGX Moderator Posts: 2056 From: Mars Registered: Jul 2015
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posted January 06, 2019 02:07 PM
quote: Originally posted by Melinn: Same themes . As for how they manifest I have no idea. I don't know much about vedic.And I too always tell about planets aspects being stronger then signs. Thats why I only used the expression "same themes". Not same energies, or something like that. Also I'm confused. The planet aspects are the same in my both charts. They don't change. Its only the signs that change. All the planets are in the same houses and have the same aspects in both charts. I don't know if this differs for you guys? edit: Or do we only talk about the moon here? Sorry I missed that detail!
I was only talking about the Moon in that specific case. It was in relation to your statement about houses/aspects being more potent than signs. I asked because I don't relate to my moon sign period. I've had enough experience with people of similar combos with the same moon to know. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 6706 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted January 06, 2019 02:31 PM
quote: Originally posted by StubbornVirgo: Symbolic or not, that poor goat...I understand the point of your metaphor, though.
I don't slaughter goats in my backyard...don't worry I just went for the first example in my head that was equal in the extreme reactions people get when they are confronted with a differing system or another perspective. I am very used to tropical(no doubt). And my comfort in this present system does tend to to make me look at Vedic with a little skepticism. Granted. But at the same time I am open to learning because as I said, there is resonance with the placements as per Vedic.
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Kannon McAfee Moderator Posts: 3735 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted January 06, 2019 03:19 PM
I've never had my Vedic chart done, but the only difference is the zodiac. House positions and aspects are the same. There is no doubt whatsoever that the tropical zodiac fits me to a T as a Taurus Sun, Moon in Capricorn, and Asc in Virgo. In the sidereal Vedic positions I would be Sun in Aries, Moon in Sagittarius, Asc in Leo. Nope. I'm not even close to such fire, not even in the most general sense. I am earth and earth is me.I'm not saying this because I consider the Indian approach to astrology something to be dismissed. Quite the contrary. I make use of some of its key concepts. Leo-Cancer98, not all Vedic astrologers would agree with your Moon being positioned in Scorpio. Most would actually place it in early Sagittarius. It depends on what ayanamsha is used to convert from tropical to a sideral zodiac. There is only one ayanamsha that would place it in Scorpio and is not even of Indian calculation, but a western one (Fagen/Bradley). The standard traditional Indian ayanamsha (Hindu/Lahiri) places your Moon at 0SAG13 (topocentric, which accounts for parallax effect of Moon). In addition, I can pretty much guarantee you that the reason you don't relate much to some characteristics of Moon in Sagittarius has nothing to do with sidereal or Vedic, but with the aspects and other conditions of the Moon or Asc, etc in your chart. Signs are general placements that while they do specificy element (fire) and quality (mutable), they give 30° of leeway as to specific conditions further characterizing it. Cancer rising also will not generally allow full expression of the typical qualities of Moon in Sagittarius because of its natural cautions. ------------------ "Drift like a cloud and flow like water, seeing that all life is a magnificent illusion, a playing of energy, and there is absolutely nothing fundamentally to be afraid of." -- Alan Watts
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moongaze Knowflake Posts: 223 From: Registered: Sep 2016
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posted January 08, 2019 07:15 AM
Western for sure.I'm water dominant in Western with Cancer as my most dominant sign, while air dominant in Vedic with a lot of Gemini. Uhh...nobody would ever see me as Gemini nor do I see anything Gemini in me. Plus, the only water sign I have in Vedic is my Pisces Ascendant, which is ludicrous (I look and even walk like an Aries Ascendant). I wonder if part of the reason for this is cultural, being that I'm born and raised in a Western country. I know nakshatras are a huge part of Vedic too, but I haven't studied them enough in order to fully understand how they resonate with me. IP: Logged |