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Leo-Cancer98
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posted January 05, 2019 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leo-Cancer98     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good morning everyone,

I’m a Sagittarius Moon in my Western chart and I recently found out I have a Scorpio Moon in my Vedic one. That must explain why I don’t relate to certain characteristics of Sag Moon. What about you?!

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posted January 05, 2019 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Somna7H     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vedic.

But my both Venus and Moon in Gemini 2nd House for both systems. Two differenth systems have different ways to tell characteristics of native. I like Aspetcs Results of Western. I like Dasa and Naksatra of Vedic very much.

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posted January 05, 2019 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i think they both describe me from a different perspective

i go from an aries moon to a pisces (revati) moon

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posted January 05, 2019 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DRVM614K     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My asc stayed in cap but Sun went from Taurus to Aries, moon from leo to cancer. Mc from scorpio to Libra. Mars from pisces to aqua. Plus vedic doesn't account for Uranus,neptune and Pluto. Astrology isn't astrology to me without pluto

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posted January 05, 2019 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I go from having 6 planets in water to having 6 planets in air and no water. I can definitely relate to nakshatras of vedic, I wouldn't say that I'm like an Aquarius tho, but I can relate to having 5 th house stellium which I have in Vedic.

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posted January 05, 2019 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Western. Never resonated with Vedic

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posted January 05, 2019 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Both. I don't know how. But i do.

Gemini Moon in sidereal/Pisces Asc.


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posted January 05, 2019 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well actually, they seem to tell the same story, its the same themes, but small shifts.

All the planets are in the same houses, they have the same aspects. They just change signs. And I have by now learned, signs comes at third place. Aspects and house energies are dominant. Then we can look at signs^^

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posted January 05, 2019 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Melinn:
Well actually, they seem to tell the same story, its the same themes, but small shifts.

All the planets are in the same houses, they have the same aspects. They just change signs. And I have by now learned, signs comes at third place. Aspects and house energies are dominant. Then we can look at signs^^


Hmm..
So by that analogy, you would suggest that having my Moon in the 8th opposite Pluto by 0°01' is closer to Scorpio Moon than Scorpio Moon on its own?

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posted January 06, 2019 02:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ The theme of Scorpio Moon is different.

Moon/Pluto is similar to it but at the same time also different coz it depends on the signs they are in, the houses they are in, the aspects they are involved in. Even two different Moon opp. Pluto may not manifest in a similar manner, it being similar to a Scorpio Moon is a bit too far.

A Plutonian is different from a Scorpio. A Moon in 8th in itself is different than a Scorpio Moon.

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posted January 06, 2019 05:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
Hmm..
So by that analogy, you would suggest that having my Moon in the 8th opposite Pluto by 0°01' is closer to Scorpio Moon than Scorpio Moon on its own?

Same themes . As for how they manifest I have no idea. I don't know much about vedic.

And I too always tell about planets aspects being stronger then signs. Thats why I only used the expression "same themes". Not same energies, or something like that.

Also I'm confused. The planet aspects are the same in my both charts. They don't change. Its only the signs that change.

All the planets are in the same houses and have the same aspects in both charts.

I don't know if this differs for you guys?

edit: Or do we only talk about the moon here? Sorry I missed that detail!

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posted January 06, 2019 06:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Melinn:
Same themes . As for how they manifest I have no idea. I don't know much about vedic.

And I too always tell about planets aspects being stronger then signs. Thats why I only used the expression "same themes". Not same energies, or something like that.

Also I'm confused. The planet aspects are the same in my both charts. They don't change. Its only the signs that change.

All the planets are in the same houses and have the same aspects in both charts.

I don't know if this differs for you guys?

edit: Or do we only talk about the moon here? Sorry I missed that detail!



they typically will be in the same houses and have the same angles because everything is set back 24 degrees uniformly

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posted January 06, 2019 07:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries Eagle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Defo Western. Im Gemini moon Pisces sun in vedic which is a joke because anyone sees me sees the Aries energy directly.

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posted January 06, 2019 08:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Western 200%

Moon in Pisces is on point

Can't change it for Aqua (although I would love to, but I can't relate at all when it comes to Aqua Moon, if it was for my Sun to be in Aqua then yes but Moon? no way)

My Uranus and Pluto aspects describe 35% of my personality and my western house placements another good 50%..

There are too many things wrong when it comes to my vedic chart but I won't explain all those things because this comment will be huge.

However I like my vedic chart way more to be honest. I wish I could relate to that and not to my western one.

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posted January 06, 2019 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:

they typically will be in the same houses and have the same angles because everything is set back 24 degrees uniformly


I may be doing smth wrong but in my case Sun is in 1st H instead of 12th H
Mercury is in 2nd h instead of 1st H
Saturn is in 7th H instead of 8th H.

I don't know if I remember 100% correctly but not all planets were in the same houses for sure. I don't remember how to calculate my vedic chart in astro.com

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posted January 06, 2019 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is it possible that many people on here are using the Western understanding to interpret the Eastern chart? And I don't think that that would give satisfactory results.

It would be like slaughtering a goat in my backyard in a suburb in Los Angeles. Many would be horrified and my neighbors would simply not understand what I am doing.

Whereas in the South African context, the slaughtering of a goat has a symbolic meaning attached to it. Locals would not think it odd at all.

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posted January 06, 2019 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
I may be doing smth wrong but in my case Sun is in 1st H instead of 12th H
Mercury is in 2nd h instead of 1st H
Saturn is in 7th H instead of 8th H.

I don't know if I remember 100% correctly but not all planets were in the same houses for sure. I don't remember how to calculate my vedic chart in astro.com



well it'll be whole sign, but that does happen

if you have say a planet in the late degrees of one sign and a planet in the early degrees of the next they'll end up in the same house when everything shifts back 24 degrees

it probably isnt you doing anything wrong, just your chart

mine everything stays in the same houses in whole sign that they would be anyway, but that's not what you get every time

do you normally use placidus?

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posted January 06, 2019 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Is it possible that many people on here are using the Western understanding to interpret the Eastern chart? And I don't think that that would give satisfactory results.

It would be like slaughtering a goat in my backyard in a suburb in Los Angeles. Many would be horrified and my neighbors would simply not understand what I am doing.

Whereas in the South African context, the slaughtering of a goat has a symbolic meaning attached to it. Locals would not think it odd at all.


you can technically use both, sidereal placements read the way you would a western chart still yield accurate readings

using both systems gives further accuracy and depth but you dont need vedic to read placements

people just get used to one generally

to me they just come off like different perspectives to describe the same person

like asking 2 different people to describe someone they both know

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posted January 06, 2019 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:

well it'll be whole sign, but that does happen

if you have say a planet in the late degrees of one sign and a planet in the early degrees of the next they'll end up in the same house when everything shifts back 24 degrees

it probably isnt you doing anything wrong, just your chart

mine everything stays in the same houses in whole sign that they would be anyway, but that's not what you get every time

do you normally use placidus?


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Yes I use placidus because I find every planet (except of Jupiter and Chiron that I don't know if I could relate to any of the possible houses they fall in) is in the house it should be for me to relate. With the other systems something is missing or there will be smth that I can not relate.

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posted January 06, 2019 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Is it possible that many people on here are using the Western understanding to interpret the Eastern chart? And I don't think that that would give satisfactory results.

It would be like slaughtering a goat in my backyard in a suburb in Los Angeles. Many would be horrified and my neighbors would simply not understand what I am doing.

Whereas in the South African context, the slaughtering of a goat has a symbolic meaning attached to it. Locals would not think it odd at all.


Symbolic or not, that poor goat...

I understand the point of your metaphor, though.

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posted January 06, 2019 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Both.

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posted January 06, 2019 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Melinn:
Same themes . As for how they manifest I have no idea. I don't know much about vedic.

And I too always tell about planets aspects being stronger then signs. Thats why I only used the expression "same themes". Not same energies, or something like that.

Also I'm confused. The planet aspects are the same in my both charts. They don't change. Its only the signs that change.

All the planets are in the same houses and have the same aspects in both charts.

I don't know if this differs for you guys?

edit: Or do we only talk about the moon here? Sorry I missed that detail!


I was only talking about the Moon in that specific case. It was in relation to your statement about houses/aspects being more potent than signs.

I asked because I don't relate to my moon sign period. I've had enough experience with people of similar combos with the same moon to know.

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posted January 06, 2019 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
Symbolic or not, that poor goat...

I understand the point of your metaphor, though.


I don't slaughter goats in my backyard...don't worry I just went for the first example in my head that was equal in the extreme reactions people get when they are confronted with a differing system or another perspective.

I am very used to tropical(no doubt). And my comfort in this present system does tend to to make me look at Vedic with a little skepticism. Granted.

But at the same time I am open to learning because as I said, there is resonance with the placements as per Vedic.

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posted January 06, 2019 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've never had my Vedic chart done, but the only difference is the zodiac. House positions and aspects are the same. There is no doubt whatsoever that the tropical zodiac fits me to a T as a Taurus Sun, Moon in Capricorn, and Asc in Virgo. In the sidereal Vedic positions I would be Sun in Aries, Moon in Sagittarius, Asc in Leo. Nope. I'm not even close to such fire, not even in the most general sense. I am earth and earth is me.

I'm not saying this because I consider the Indian approach to astrology something to be dismissed. Quite the contrary. I make use of some of its key concepts.

Leo-Cancer98, not all Vedic astrologers would agree with your Moon being positioned in Scorpio. Most would actually place it in early Sagittarius. It depends on what ayanamsha is used to convert from tropical to a sideral zodiac. There is only one ayanamsha that would place it in Scorpio and is not even of Indian calculation, but a western one (Fagen/Bradley). The standard traditional Indian ayanamsha (Hindu/Lahiri) places your Moon at 0SAG13 (topocentric, which accounts for parallax effect of Moon).

In addition, I can pretty much guarantee you that the reason you don't relate much to some characteristics of Moon in Sagittarius has nothing to do with sidereal or Vedic, but with the aspects and other conditions of the Moon or Asc, etc in your chart. Signs are general placements that while they do specificy element (fire) and quality (mutable), they give 30° of leeway as to specific conditions further characterizing it. Cancer rising also will not generally allow full expression of the typical qualities of Moon in Sagittarius because of its natural cautions.


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posted January 08, 2019 07:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for moongaze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Western for sure.

I'm water dominant in Western with Cancer as my most dominant sign, while air dominant in Vedic with a lot of Gemini. Uhh...nobody would ever see me as Gemini nor do I see anything Gemini in me. Plus, the only water sign I have in Vedic is my Pisces Ascendant, which is ludicrous (I look and even walk like an Aries Ascendant). I wonder if part of the reason for this is cultural, being that I'm born and raised in a Western country. I know nakshatras are a huge part of Vedic too, but I haven't studied them enough in order to fully understand how they resonate with me.

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