posted January 10, 2019 06:48 AM            

I'd like to have at least, one child, but on the other hand I believe is a huge responsibility. I tendo to get with children well.

I'm 36, I hope I will find the perfect man to start a family some day. But is a strange feeling, because I have the strange chill that I'm not gonna have any babies.

It's not my all time goal (I have been career oriented, maybe Cappy South Node) but it's one of my goals in life. The truth is I find motherhood suffocating, extremely responsible, hard and difficult.

posted January 10, 2019 07:24 AM            

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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
Maybe the 5th house ruler being squared a lot or having nothing supporting it. I've heard a fiery 5th house and its ruler can mean the womb is burned or something like that. Don't know how true that is though.

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Interestingly, my 5th house ruler (Venus) sits in my first, and is squared by Pluto. I have 2 little girls and another one on the way. My wife has the same configuration but with Saturn.

Also, my Venus sits in my wife’s 5th house; her Saturn sits in my 8th.

posted January 10, 2019 09:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

I wonder if you have moments where you are feeling depressed, tired and hopeless with no particular reason to pin the feelings on?

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You should actually wonder if I have moments that I am not like that.

I have Neptune opposing Sun and ASC too
plus Sun is in 12th H.

I totally get the "inside out" and the
"outside within" that you're talkimg about.

It's inside out that is why I'm not shocked when I listen to news like parents raping their child and stuff like that. I feel like my heart bleeds for that poor child and I'm kind of angry that I can not do absolutely nothing to help that cbuld and all the others that are sufferring (of course I know it is smth completely impossible)

However it is like I am feeling all the time within me that disappointment and saddness about the world. Why had it ended up like this? Why everything is sosuperficial.. You know I'm very materialistic myself and I'm not that kind of romantic person who thinks love is all you need. I indeed wish we were just floating souls without human-earthy needs but we are not, and in order for our soul to not suffer we need the balance of both.. But hurting-using others in different ways in order to achieve anything there is no excuse for that.

You know what I always think? If I want to change something then that something should be myself which I have complete power (theoritically) to do it.
I can become detached, less sensitive, less caring, more active, etc. But I can't even change myself so in that sense I find it a bit hypocritical wanting to change others when I can't do that for myself.

But I believe if we can't be a good example especially for children and teens who are this world's future and the "weakest" ones both physically and mentally then we shouldn't at least be a "bad" example in any possible way.

That sounds very ideal and theoritical but I'll give a simple example..
Music which is soul's food and one of the best things humans created.. So many teens listen to music.. Music has a great power.. Why talk about things like drugs making teens see it as something that would help them escape their reality and make them happy and cool?
I mean I know why.. because money..
But I can see how it affects teens like my
for example my 14years old cousin who is concerned if her ass and boobs will be bigger when she grows up more because in her mind that is a woman's worth and that is how men will love you since all she sees on social media/tv/magazines/musoc video clips/all over the internet is girls showing their behinds while being semi naked and what not while making stupid fake faces..

It's as simple as that.

I'm generally concerned and disappointed by many things. It feels like I am sad for the world.

Finding a way to shield yourself hmm? It's very good for you that you have found a way that works for you, I haven't found any.

I will keep in mind what you said about Chiron not being altruistic as Neptune. I thought Chiron was very similar to Neptune when it comes to empathy and healing, or even the victim/savior thing. I actually considered Chiron as a second Neptune but earthy unlike Neptune that loses touch with reality.

posted January 10, 2019 10:04 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
@Plut0nian2 what Pluto aspects do you have in your chart? You said that you don’t want children. What aspects do you think causes this? As for the reason you don’t want children? Do you have Mars/Pluto?

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Yes I have Pluto in in Scorpio 5th H (5th H also in Scorpio) square Venus, Mars and Jupiter, trine Asc.

I am 27yo but I don't think I will ever change even if I found the perfect man and had perfect circumstances to do it.
That is because I have a strong disgust for the pregnancy itself. I also don't feel the need to have a child at all, not even ideally. I have it since I was a kid. I don't have any traumatic experience that would justify it though.

Even if I didn't have this extremely disgusting feelings I wouldn't do one because I am not a patient person and I have a huge problem with cooking andwith someone being dependent on me 24/7.. Just the thought of it makes me suffocate. (That is Uranus in 6th H conjucting DSC and opposing my Sun).

However if I was a man I would gladly do it..
Honestly why not? They don't have go through pregnancy and giving birth or being responsible for the kid.. Their life and freedom are not ruined.. They can get a divorce live like they have no kid and just seeing it once or twice a week like the "good fathers" they are.. It's so easy ti be a father, actually it's so easy to be a man but that is another story..

posted January 11, 2019 02:23 AM            

I've been told I'm very good with kids. I've an unconventional way of interacting them...not necessarily patient though. I'm a very involved aunt to my nieces...they're like my foster children.

I've ALWAYS wanted kids, but I want it only when I'm ready and with the right man. I fear unwanted pregnancies because an abortion will greatly distress me. Unfortunately this also leads me to delay pregnancy and now I'm not sure if I will still have a chance to be a mom. T_T

posted January 11, 2019 05:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
This is someone with no children (have problems conceiving). Empty 5th house. What else do you see in her chart? She wanted to adopt but her husband rejected the idea, He has Saturn in 5th[/IMG]

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Is it certain that the "problem" is with her biologically? It could be the hubby.

The 5th house shows one's outlook on children and perhaps even some challenges. But to conclusively say that "this" is the reason or "that" is the cause etc. I cant support with the knowledge i have

Venus rules the man's sperm. So I often wonder why men are not put under the microscope when fertility issues arise? As women don't fall pregnant all on their own.

I am a guy with Venus-Saturn conjunct. And Venus is in mutual reception with Mars. So Mars also influences Venus. So my sperm is both "hot"(Mars) and "dry"(Saturn).

No matter what the 5th house may indicate. If i am not biologically "fit" to have kids. I will not have kids. So the 5th house would represent my "foster" or "adopted" kids etc too.

Mars in 5th-Love for boys.
Venus in 5th-Love for girls.
Mercury in 5th- teach children. Intelligent kids.
Jupiter in 5th- love for bouncy,buoyant children.

posted January 12, 2019 07:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Mariamne Mara:
5th house Cancer with North Node in there, ruler is Scorpio Moon at 29º conjunct MC, Uranus and Jupiter.

I'd like to have at least, one child, but on the other hand I believe is a huge responsibility. I tendo to get with children well.

I'm 36, I hope I will find the perfect man to start a family some day. But is a strange feeling, because I have the strange chill that I'm not gonna have any babies.

It's not my all time goal (I have been career oriented, maybe Cappy South Node) but it's one of my goals in life. The truth is I find motherhood suffocating, extremely responsible, hard and difficult.

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OMG I have this strange feeling that I might never have kids as well! I even posted a thread about this in another forum..

I def agree that it's a huge responsibility and I'd rather have no children than unhappy children that I cannot care for well enough .. However, I would find motherhood extremely rewarding (I think) and not suffocating at all. And, in a way, it's one of my biggest goals in life: to have a happy family with three kids
However, my first goal in life is to be happy myself and to sort my life out so until that isn't about finished my second goal will wait

I have an empty 5th House (which I find curious) in Gemini and Mercury in 3rd House trine Jupiter and square Chiron - maybe the Chiron square is connected to the feeling of "never having kids"? Or to some childhood wound?

However, I have the asteroid Child on the cusp of 5th House and with equal Houses I have my Sun in the 5th and that totally fits me (or my ideal me )

posted January 12, 2019 07:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
This is someone with no children (have problems conceiving). Empty 5th house. What else do you see in her chart? She wanted to adopt but her husband rejected the idea. He has Saturn in 5th.

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I think that the Sag on the cusp could indicate the openness to adoption
Like, being free-minded about the topic of children and not necessarily having to have children of your own.. being open to having children from "abroad" or just from another family/mother

Do you know what the husband had on the cusp?

posted January 12, 2019 08:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Is it certain that the "problem" is with her biologically? It could be the hubby.

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posted January 12, 2019 08:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Hu_w_ryl_A:
I think that the Sag on the cusp could indicate the openness to adoption
Like, being free-minded about the topic of children and not necessarily having to have children of your own.. being open to having children from "abroad" or just from another family/mother

Do you know what the husband had on the cusp?

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posted January 12, 2019 09:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:

because I am not a patient person and I have a huge problem with cooking andwith someone being dependent on me 24/7.. Just the thought of it makes me suffocate.

However if I was a man I would gladly do it..
Honestly why not? They don't have go through pregnancy and giving birth or being responsible for the kid.. Their life and freedom are not ruined.. They can get a divorce live like they have no kid and just seeing it once or twice a week like the "good fathers" they are.. It's so easy ti be a father, actually it's so easy to be a man but that is another story..

I can't decide what indicates my disgust though. Pluto in 5th H may make someone be on the one extreme end or the other (and feel it deeply too) but I think it's too general to asume that it's the only culprit for it. Maybe the fact that it's making hard aspects from the 5th H?

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posted May 13, 2019 10:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:

That sounds very ideal and theoritical but I'll give a simple example..
Music which is soul's food and one of the best things humans created.. So many teens listen to music.. Music has a great power.. Why talk about things like drugs making teens see it as something that would help them escape their reality and make them happy and cool?

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people often write about what they know when it comes to lyrics, or about things that are personal to them and context makes all the difference with lyrics

a good deal of my writing (lyrics and stories etc) has drug related themes, because ive spent a good chunk of my life using and that's what i know it's what i relate to and processing it and filtering personal experience and life through art means drugs will be a part of it

just throwing that out there

as for the no kids thing im 32 and dont have any my 5th house is aquarius, my fiancee (who's also 32) has a 5th house chiron (usually 5th house some systems put it in the 4th it's right on the cusp her 5th house is gemini ruler of her 5th is in scorpio conjunct her midheaven and she on/off talks about career being a priority over being a mom)

posted May 13, 2019 10:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
Yes I have Pluto in in Scorpio 5th H (5th H also in Scorpio) square Venus, Mars and Jupiter, trine Asc.

I am 27yo but I don't think I will ever change even if I found the perfect man and had perfect circumstances to do it.
That is because I have a strong disgust for the pregnancy itself. I also don't feel the need to have a child at all, not even ideally. I have it since I was a kid. I don't have any traumatic experience that would justify it though.

Even if I didn't have this extremely disgusting feelings I wouldn't do one because I am not a patient person and I have a huge problem with cooking andwith someone being dependent on me 24/7.. Just the thought of it makes me suffocate. (That is Uranus in 6th H conjucting DSC and opposing my Sun).

However if I was a man I would gladly do it..
Honestly why not? They don't have go through pregnancy and giving birth or being responsible for the kid.. Their life and freedom are not ruined.. They can get a divorce live like they have no kid and just seeing it once or twice a week like the "good fathers" they are.. It's so easy ti be a father, actually it's so easy to be a man but that is another story..

I can't decide what indicates my disgust though. Pluto in 5th H may make someone be on the one extreme end or the other (and feel it deeply too) but I think it's too general to asume that it's the only culprit for it. Maybe the fact that it's making hard aspects from the 5th H?

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that's really dependent on the guy, and not entirely fair to say

i wouldnt be the one giving birth or getting pregnant obviously but if my fiancee and i had a kid i'd be responsible for them and i would be involved in their life

when her siblings were kids and her mother would go off with boyfriends i helped my fiancee get them ready for school, feed them, helped them with their homework, took them to after school **** etc we cook for each other pretty much daily even without kids

there's no such thing as being totally selfish when you're actually fully committed to a person, because there's no balance and that isn't how relationships work and it's not what being a parent is either at least not from my view and it's not what i was raised to think either

my older brother is a single father, my niece's mother walked out of her life and doesnt visit or anything

my grandparents were separated and my grandfather came by daily for his kids, to help my grandmother, and later on for his grandchildren even when it meant dealing with my grandmother's psycho ********

and it's not really like a woman has to be the one cooking lol at least i never seen that in my family my father cooks, my younger brother cooks (for and with his gf), pretty much all of my uncles cook

posted May 14, 2019 07:39 AM            

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Originally posted by sleepthan:
Well, I am a guy, but I am also one of those people who's completely grossed out and repulsed by pregnancy and childbirth. To the point where even seeing a visibly pregnant person makes me nauseous. Aries rules my (empty) 5th house and my Mars is heavily squared, so it seems to match up to you guys' ideas.
I also find babies and small children really gross and have since I was a child. I'm not sure what causes this. I know a lot of guys aren't crazy about babies, but I just find them completely abhorrent... I feel kind of badly about this because I know the baby is vulnerable and hasn't done anything wrong, but they are so ugly, disgusting, and creepy to me. I can be alright with older or mature kids, but they still make me nervous.
I also like animals a lot, but find baby ones a lot less appealing (though they are still much better than human babies to me)...
Needless to say, I've never even entertained the idea of being a father.

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i don't like babies either generally (animals or human), i think human babies are ugly as **** (my niece was a monster) and then they're disgusting and make no sense with all the crying and throwing up and ******** themselves etc and animal babies annoy me usually too

i think they can look better than human babies, but i don't like dealing with them much, i didnt mind my bird though i got her when she was 7 weeks old once she was done looking weird but i dont care for puppies in particular

once theyre older it's alright though, them being really awful only lasts so long