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TaurusVenusGirl
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posted January 09, 2019 04:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Female.. and even male.

I wonder if I would ever regret not having a child.. Not that I never wanted to, just never meet anyone when I was younger and ready.

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posted January 09, 2019 05:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

You sound like the type of person who takes motherhood and child-rearing seriously.

Some people think about kids as a serious thing. Others not so. So children are not seen as a "gift" by all people.

I would say Neptune/Pluto/Uranus in 5th or in aspect to the ruler of the 5th would result in that.

I see those 3 planets as too far removed from the everyday grind to look at a child from a more "personal" point of view. They are more "collective" in essence and focus their attention on BIGGER things.

Like it is possible for someone to write children's books with Neptune/Pluto or Uranus in 5th. They touch many children's lives etc. But they have no real desire to have children of their own.

Saturn in 5th is another one. There is a tendency for one to view child-rearing as very serious business and not to be taken lightly. So sometimes they bypass it altogether.

But as it is with Saturn, if its energy is not re-directed in an area similar to where it would have originally functioned i.e perhaps the individual may not have kids but instead use the energy to be a school Principal or a child minder etc.

The result is that the person often feels guilt for a long time once the "opportunity" to have children has passed. There is regret that they should have done "more" with their life etc.

Typically speaking, I see these types to very very "involved" uncles and aunts. They may even sign up to be foster parents in their latter years.

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posted January 09, 2019 06:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My 5H is empty.

I just read that if Pluto is 40degrees from the ASC it means a woman would be childless. I have this...

Maybe I should ask what would you see in someone's chart who does have children? Or is there now a thing where women wait until later life to have a child?

I met a woman who gave birth for the first time at 45.

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posted January 09, 2019 06:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kani     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

You sound like the type of person who takes motherhood and child-rearing seriously.

Some people think about kids as a serious thing. Others not so. So children are not seen as a "gift" by all people.

I would say Neptune/Pluto/Uranus in 5th or in aspect to the ruler of the 5th would result in that.

I see those 3 planets as too far removed from the everyday grind to look at a child from a more "personal" point of view. They are more "collective" in essence and focus their attention on BIGGER things.

Like it is possible for someone to write children's books with Neptune/Pluto or Uranus in 5th. They touch many children's lives etc. But they have no real desire to have children of their own.

Saturn in 5th is another one. There is a tendency for one to view child-rearing as very serious business and not to be taken lightly. So sometimes they bypass it altogether.

But as it is with Saturn, if its energy is not re-directed in an area similar to where it would have originally functioned i.e perhaps the individual may not have kids but instead use the energy to be a school Principal or a child minder etc.

The result is that the person often feels guilt for a long time once the "opportunity" to have children has passed. There is regret that they should have done "more" with their life etc.

Typically speaking, I see these types to very very "involved" uncles and aunts. They may even sign up to be foster parents in their latter years.


Definitely true for me! I have Uranus in the 5th and no desire to have my own child. Too much responsibility and it seems too suffocating. I have started writing a children's book though haha

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posted January 09, 2019 07:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
omg Kani!

You did it again Aries!! You always guess it right?

When do you think I will get married Aries?

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posted January 09, 2019 07:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

You sound like the type of person who takes motherhood and child-rearing seriously.

Some people think about kids as a serious thing. Others not so. So children are not seen as a "gift" by all people.

I would say Neptune/Pluto/Uranus in 5th or in aspect to the ruler of the 5th would result in that.

I see those 3 planets as too far removed from the everyday grind to look at a child from a more "personal" point of view. They are more "collective" in essence and focus their attention on BIGGER things.

Like it is possible for someone to write children's books with Neptune/Pluto or Uranus in 5th. They touch many children's lives etc. But they have no real desire to have children of their own.

Saturn in 5th is another one. There is a tendency for one to view child-rearing as very serious business and not to be taken lightly. So sometimes they bypass it altogether.

But as it is with Saturn, if its energy is not re-directed in an area similar to where it would have originally functioned i.e perhaps the individual may not have kids but instead use the energy to be a school Principal or a child minder etc.

The result is that the person often feels guilt for a long time once the "opportunity" to have children has passed. There is regret that they should have done "more" with their life etc.

Typically speaking, I see these types to very very "involved" uncles and aunts. They may even sign up to be foster parents in their latter years.


Very interesting Aries23

I have Pluto in 5th H myself.
I do take children very seriously. It bothers me how unrealistic most women are when it comes to children. They don't actually realise how difficult it is to raise them and they have children for many wrong reasons.
Of course the one getting punished for their immature mistakes are unfortunately their children.


I have many cousins and other children around and they tend to adore me generally. I think it's Pluto in 5th along with my Cancer (ASC, Sun, Mercury and SN) maybe even Leo Venus, Mars and Jup.


Me on the other hand.. I have a huge repulsion for pregnancy itself. When I see a pregnant woman I feel sick to my stomach. Like I see something very disgusting.
I never liked babies as dolls even when I was a kid. I am offended because I listen to others often saying me "you'll be the best mom, you are so good and responsible with children/they naturally love you so much" and similar stuff. I get offended and sick to my stomach.
Not only I don't feel the need to have children, but I feel the need to not have children.
It's getting worse because I actually naturally liked them, find them cute, funny to tease etc but there is a while that I can't stand most of them.

What is your opinion about Chiron in 5th H?
I've thought about it recently.

Also I think that Uranian people and strong Aries are the worst parent cases (I unfortunately have many examples and they become violent). There are exceptions to it like Saturn making an Aries patient etc.

What I want to say is that I agree with Uranus, Neptune, Pluto even Saturn in 5th H making a person to not want children but there is also another way those can play.

Uranus in 5th H: I wish Uranian people in general didn't tend to be so late to realise how much they value and they need their freedom. It's very common for an Uranian person to realise it when it's too late.
People with Uranus in 5th H may get pregnant in an early phase when they are in the honeymoon phase.

Neptune in 5th H: Idealises the thought of having children and doesn't see it from a practical point of view. When reality hits them it's too hard for them.

Pluto in 5th H: Pluto is the planet of obsession and extremity. The native may be obsessed with having children or with not having children (like in my case)

Saturn in 5th H: Exactly as you said it, very responsible, tales children very seriously that it makes them look like a burden the native doesn't need.

I feel though that the native's chart should "help" the 5th H in order for the native to not have/want children.. In my case I am quite Urianan (let alone Neptunian) so I highly value me freedom and independence.

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posted January 09, 2019 08:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by TaurusVenusGirl:
My 5H is empty.

I just read that if Pluto is 40degrees from the ASC it means a woman would be childless. I have this...

Maybe I should ask what would you see in someone's chart who does have children? Or is there now a thing where women wait until later life to have a child?

I met a woman who gave birth for the first time at 45.


What house would that make Pluto in? The 2nd or 3rd?

I wouldn't be so quick to throw in the towel when having what one may describe as a "doomed" placement-As I never think interpretations are exhaustive. And some can be downright fatalistic!

I could have Pluto in 5th for instance and have children(contradicting what I mentioned there about Pluto).

But herein lies the rub; I may be a very an exacting and difficult to please parent(Pluto) who thinks that this world "as is", is just not good enough of an environment to raise my children in.

So in my attempt to "rectify" that,I could be the type who bases the rearing of my children to oppose or alter existing institutional systems i.e home school my children instead of placing them in schools.

Teach my children strictly complex programming, science and mathematics from a young age instead of having them learn about art, creative writing, history and all the other subjects etc.

I basically shelter them from social media and have them grow up in a bubble that monitors who they socialize with(choose friends that will not "derail" them) right down to what they wear etc.

So then the children eventually grow up and despite my best efforts to restrict it, they come into contact with the greater world that I have spent years of my life trying to "shield" them from.

When they do, they learn so much more and their view is broadened and wonder "where have I been living all my life?".They become resentful of me as a parent.

My "love" for them is seen as "controlling".And the choices that I thought were best for them, they see as "brainwashing" and "restrictive" etc(Pluto in 5th turned back on me).

So my children and I would have a very Plutonic relationship where they feel like I "stifled" their ability to function as "normal" people within the world etc.

Pluto is very extreme and that is why its focus needs to be OUTSIDE in the world. It really can turns things topsy-turvy when below the chart.

My cousin has Pluto in 5th and has 3 boys. When he is mad at them, its like he treats them like they are no longer his children. This extreme reaction from him has them try their best not to "disappoint" their Dad.He is so controlling!

This is the not-so good manifestation of Pluto.

But say if my cousin was to invest all that energy in fighting or extending laws regarding "Children's Rights" to countries that abuse children and treat them like slaves?

Imagine all that energy directed towards making children's lives-regardless of country/color or culture- better? Wow!


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posted January 09, 2019 08:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Definitely true for me! I have Uranus in the 5th and no desire to have my own child. Too much responsibility and it seems too suffocating. I have started writing a children's book though haha

They are aren't they? Well I just became an Uncle last year; Asc Sco, Taurus Sun, Moon in Gemini baby. And he is a HANDFUL.

I can tell that we will definitely have a bond. His Jupiter is conjunct his Asc. Both conjunct my Venus/trine my Moon and conjunct my Saturn respectively.

His Moon in 8th is opposite my Sun,Neptune and Jupiter and sextiles my Asc.

I have Neptune conjunct Sun(ruler of 5th). And I love reading kids stories and doing the whole voice thing. They(kids) become so engaged. I even think I can give creative writing targeting children a shot.

But I don't know if I want my own kids. I really can't say. As with Moon/Mars square in addition to Neptune in 5th, I could go from being "soft" to "beastly' in the blink of an eye.

I don't think I am ready yet.

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posted January 09, 2019 08:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 09, 2019 08:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
Very interesting Aries23

I have Pluto in 5th H myself.
I do take children very seriously. It bothers me how unrealistic most women are when it comes to children. They don't actually realise how difficult it is to raise them and they have children for many wrong reasons.
Of course the one getting punished for their immature mistakes are unfortunately their children.


I have many cousins and other children around and they tend to adore me generally. I think it's Pluto in 5th along with my Cancer (ASC, Sun, Mercury and SN) maybe even Leo Venus, Mars and Jup.


Me on the other hand.. I have a huge repulsion for pregnancy itself. When I see a pregnant woman I feel sick to my stomach. Like I see something very disgusting.
I never liked babies as dolls even when I was a kid. I am offended because I listen to others often saying me "you'll be the best mom, you are so good and responsible with children/they naturally love you so much" and similar stuff. I get offended and sick to my stomach.
Not only I don't feel the need to have children, but I feel the need to not have children.
It's getting worse because I actually naturally liked them, find them cute, funny to tease etc but there is a while that I can't stand most of them.

What is your opinion about Chiron in 5th H?
I've thought about it recently.

Also I think that Uranian people and strong Aries are the worst parent cases (I unfortunately have many examples and they become violent). There are exceptions to it like Saturn making an Aries patient etc.

What I want to say is that I agree with Uranus, Neptune, Pluto even Saturn in 5th H making a person to not want children but there is also another way those can play.

Uranus in 5th H: I wish Uranian people in general didn't tend to be so late to realise how much they value and they need their freedom. It's very common for an Uranian person to realise it when it's too late.
People with Uranus in 5th H may get pregnant in an early phase when they are in the honeymoon phase.

Neptune in 5th H: Idealises the thought of having children and doesn't see it from a practical point of view. When reality hits them it's too hard for them.

Pluto in 5th H: Pluto is the planet of obsession and extremity. The native may be obsessed with having children or with not having children (like in my case)

Saturn in 5th H: Exactly as you said it, very responsible, tales children very seriously that it makes them look like a burden the native doesn't need.

I feel though that the native's chart should "help" the 5th H in order for the native to not have/want children.. In my case I am quite Urianan (let alone Neptunian) so I highly value me freedom and independence.


What you mentioned there is yet another manifestation of Pluto. An ambivalence to children that goes from one extreme(thinking their cute) to another( feeling irritated by them)

And you are correct with Neptune in 5th idealizing child rearing. I think that my wanting to wait is because of that. I don't see the whole business realistically at all.

I would have to say that Moon Aqua/Uranus on Moon Moms that I know tend to want their kids to be as independent from them ASAP. They typically resist breast-feeding.

The other Aries Moon female I know says that she doesn't want to get too close to her boys. In case it "makes" them gay

So I would also say that to some extent I do agree with you that Uranus/Aries energy tends to make..ehm..."interesting" parents.

Now with Chiron in 5th, that's a point to focus on.

On your post you mentioned that you don't take having kids lightly and that many people are not aware of what a huge privilege and responsibility it is etc. I suspect that that is where Chiron in 5th would come in.

Chiron is the teacher within this regards and would suggest that child psychology(Pluto) especially with children who have learning difficulties, family issues and troubles etc. would be a sure fit.

The thing is with Chiron is that it looks to "fix" or "repair". But is also clinical enough to say "well, thank you. I have done my job. Here is your daughter/son" and go on its own way. It doesn't get attached when its work is complete.And is okay with not being "thanked".

And with Pluto in 5th , as a child psychologist you could be the type to be able to stomach the atrocities that these young souls are confronted with etc. Rear them to empower themselves(Chiron in 5th) even as they have seen the darkness of life(Pluto) so early in their lives.

So in actual fact, you may not desire children because you see ALL children as "yours"? Especially those who are broken/"damaged" in some way? Maybe to you, they are your responsibility to rehabilitate and reform? etc.

A lovely ex co-worker has Chiron-Moon conjunct opposite Pluto. And I wondered if all of this action touches her 5th house?(no time given)

She used to talk a great deal about her volunteering in an orphanage and hearing all the kids talk about their stories before they got there.

She is a natural psychologist (Chiron /Pluto /Moon/Sun/Neptune contacts tend to do that). And I used to encourage her to take studying child psychology seriously as her job was really NOT her calling.

She had a child who died at infancy. She never tried again. Said that it was too painful to even think of going through that and the fear attached to "losing" again.


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posted January 09, 2019 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by TaurusVenusGirl:
omg Kani!

You did it again Aries!! You always guess it right?

When do you think I will get married Aries?


Are you in a relationship now?

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posted January 09, 2019 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the desire to have or not have children can be seen in the chart because that is personally motivated, but if the desire is there and if they actually do go on to have a successful pregnancy would depend more on external factors.

One woman I know just gave birth to her first child which happened 2 weeks before her 40th birthday, and her chart has no red flags that I can see. Her 5th house is empty, Taurus on the 5th cusp, ruling planet Venus in her 11th house. I know she ALWAYS wanted to be a mother, which I attribute to her Cancer Moon more than anything else.

In her situation, like TaurusVenusGirl, she just never met the right person earlier in life. When she finally did meet her now-husband when she was almost 37 years old, they starting trying almost right away but unfortunately had 3 miscarriages before finally having a successful pregnancy. So timing and her own biology was not on her side in her case.

On the topic of Saturn in the 5th, I'm not convinced this means a fear of having children or a blockage in having them. My girlfriend has Saturn in her 5th and she was DYING to get married and have children all through her 20s. Her life goal was literally to be a stay-at-home mom. At 30 she gave birth to her first child and she couldn't be happier! I can see Saturn applying to other 5th house areas...but not this one.

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Originally posted by margym0o:
One woman I know just gave birth to her first child which happened 2 weeks before her 40th birthday, and her chart has no red flags that I can see. Her 5th house is empty, Taurus on the 5th cusp...

Curious, what is Taurus on the 5th house cusp supposed to indicate? I have both this & empty 5th and have never wanted children...and definitely no desire to ever be pregnant or give birth.

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Maybe the 5th house ruler being squared a lot or having nothing supporting it. I've heard a fiery 5th house and its ruler can mean the womb is burned or something like that. Don't know how true that is though.

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posted January 09, 2019 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
What you mentioned there is yet another manifestation of Pluto. An ambivalence to children that goes from one extreme(thinking their cute) to another( feeling irritated by them)

And you are correct with Neptune in 5th idealizing child rearing. I think that my wanting to wait is because of that. I don't see the whole business realistically at all.

I would have to say that Moon Aqua/Uranus on Moon Moms that I know tend to want their kids to be as independent from them ASAP. They typically resist breast-feeding.

The other Aries Moon female I know says that she doesn't want to get too close to her boys. In case it "makes" them gay

So I would also say that to some extent I do agree with you that Uranus/Aries energy tends to make..ehm..."interesting" parents.

Now with Chiron in 5th, that's a point to focus on.

On your post you mentioned that you don't take having kids lightly and that many people are not aware of what a huge privilege and responsibility it is etc. I suspect that that is where Chiron in 5th would come in.

Chiron is the teacher within this regards and would suggest that child psychology(Pluto) especially with children who have learning difficulties, family issues and troubles etc. would be a sure fit.

The thing is with Chiron is that it looks to "fix" or "repair". But is also clinical enough to say "well, thank you. I have done my job. Here is your daughter/son" and go on its own way. It doesn't get attached when its work is complete.And is okay with not being "thanked".

And with Pluto in 5th , as a child psychologist you could be the type to be able to stomach the atrocities that these young souls are confronted with etc. Rear them to empower themselves(Chiron in 5th) even as they have seen the darkness of life(Pluto) so early in their lives.

So in actual fact, you may not desire children because you see ALL children as "yours"? Especially those who are broken/"damaged" in some way? Maybe to you, they are your responsibility to rehabilitate and reform? etc.

A lovely ex co-worker has Chiron-Moon conjunct opposite Pluto. And I wondered if all of this action touches her 5th house?(no time given)

She used to talk a great deal about her volunteering in an orphanage and hearing all the kids talk about their stories before they got there.

She is a natural psychologist (Chiron /Pluto /Moon/Sun/Neptune contacts tend to do that). And I used to encourage her to take studying child psychology seriously as her job was really NOT her calling.

She had a child who died at infancy. She never tried again. Said that it was too painful to even think of going through that and the fear attached to "losing" again.


Thanks Aries

I don't have Chiron in 5th H myself.
However I do see all children as mine.
That is a problem I generally have because of my Piscean Moon. I can sense & feel smth that happens to someone like it happens to me.

I am being the one helping my cousins especially one of them trying to make her think in a mature-clever way because I'm very worried about her being too superficial and easily influenced.
I also can't stamd it when children or animals are in danger amd can not protect themselves.
Once a car was ready to hit a child in frond of a bus station I was waiting. I didn't even think about it before running towards it to save it. What I realised later that shocked me is that none of the people that were seeing that moved to help the child.

I thought that was smth that everyone would do.

Anyway I asked your about Chiron because I thought that it could indicate some wound related to children which could lead to a childless life. In case of your friend that seems correct.

It's interesting what you're saying since I can't understand Chiron that well.

Also about Pluto death of a child is one of the possibilities.

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posted January 09, 2019 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@margym0o

There are people who want children and are not able to have one, there are those who don't want it but it kind of "occurs" or belive that they should do it because that's what others tell them.

The natal chart may show the desire ro have children or the lack of it but it is transits/progressions/solar returns and arcs showing when that will happen if it will for the native.

A person may want to have a child but if having it with a man that will be a good father and a good longterm match for her, she may not have that opportunity if her 7th H is anything similar to mine for example.. with Uranus, Neptune and North Node in it.

So the problem may be in the relationships part of her chart.

Also the ruler of the 5th H and ita aspects are of great importance.


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Originally posted by FireVirgo:
Curious, what is Taurus on the 5th house cusp supposed to indicate? I have both this & empty 5th and have never wanted children...and definitely no desire to ever be pregnant or give birth.

What aspects does your natal Venus make?

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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
Maybe the 5th house ruler being squared a lot or having nothing supporting it. I've heard a fiery 5th house and its ruler can mean the womb is burned or something like that. Don't know how true that is though.


In my case it's true. Pluto in 5th H is the ruler of my 5th H and it's square my natal Venus, Mars and Jupiter.

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Have a boyfriend! I'm 40 and still waiting for my first committed relationship to happen

My Pluto is at the beginning of my longer then normal 12H..

I don't have a burning desire for children much anymore, but sometimes wonder if it will still happen. I'm so tired now, a baby would kill me!

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posted January 09, 2019 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kani     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
They are aren't they? Well I just became an Uncle last year; Asc Sco, Taurus Sun, Moon in Gemini baby. And he is a HANDFUL.

I can tell that we will definitely have a bond. His Jupiter is conjunct his Asc. Both conjunct my Venus/trine my Moon and conjunct my Saturn respectively.

His Moon in 8th is opposite my Sun,Neptune and Jupiter and sextiles my Asc.

I have Neptune conjunct Sun(ruler of 5th). And I love reading kids stories and doing the whole voice thing. They(kids) become so engaged. I even think I can give creative writing targeting children a shot.

But I don't know if I want my own kids. I really can't say. As with Moon/Mars square in addition to Neptune in 5th, I could go from being "soft" to "beastly' in the blink of an eye.

I don't think I am ready yet.


your nephew is a Taurus sun. That's enough for being a handful haha (jokes).
I also LOVE children's stories. I adore looking and losing myself in the illustrations of children's books, too. they are magical aren't they?
But having my own kid : no gracias. I'm just aware of my need for freedom and peace.

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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
Maybe the 5th house ruler being squared a lot or having nothing supporting it. I've heard a fiery 5th house and its ruler can mean the womb is burned or something like that. Don't know how true that is though.

true for me. My 5th house ruler is Pluto and it squares my moon and ascendant. I have Uranus in house 5, too. The mere thought of being pregnant makes me sick.

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
What aspects does your natal Venus make?

I have an 8H Leo Venus:
- Sextile Uranus
- Trine Chiron
- Semi-sextile Mars
- Trine AC

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posted January 10, 2019 03:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
Thanks Aries

I don't have Chiron in 5th H myself.
However I do see all children as mine.
That is a problem I generally have because of my Piscean Moon. I can sense & feel smth that happens to someone like it happens to me.

I am being the one helping my cousins especially one of them trying to make her think in a mature-clever way because I'm very worried about her being too superficial and easily influenced.

I also can't stand it when children or animals are in danger and cannot protect themselves.
Once a car was ready to hit a child in frond of a bus station I was waiting. I didn't even think about it before running towards it to save it. What I realized later that shocked me is that none of the people that were seeing that moved to help the child.

I thought that was smth that everyone would do.

Anyway I asked your about Chiron because I thought that it could indicate some wound related to children which could lead to a childless life. In case of your friend that seems correct.

It's interesting what you're saying since I can't understand Chiron that well.

Also about Pluto death of a child is one of the possibilities.


I think that you are deeply empathetic. I feel that increasing in momentum on my side too. And it can be difficult to control for water sign Moons or those with Neptune on the Moon.

Pisces is an "all encompassing" energy with trouble when it comes to drawing lines, boundaries and borders. I see this also present with me with my Neptune on Sun.

I wonder if you have moments where you are feeling depressed, tired and hopeless with no particular reason to pin the feelings on?

You could just wake up and go about your day but feel a flood of emotional thought patterns that makes you feel very exasperated on how the world is i.e " How can people live in such a graceless state?" etc.

This is when the "floodgates" are open. In other words, you are picking up on the collective psyche and the flood thoughts of people who are not only around you. But events that are happening all over the world.

I have decided to take meditation & "shielding" myself from collective thoughts more seriously. Be planted in my own intentions instead of responding from a point of view that the world out there needs "saving" etc.

I think for me the question always is; How can I be so sensitive to that which I am observing whilst that which is outside my peripheral vision,goes unnoticed?

Is it because I am "observing" that I am reacting? Which means I have left my thought gates "open" and being flooded by all sorts of things from the outside.

Or am I responding more from a genuine creative place? Which means that this initiative comes from deep within me and is not as a result of me trying to "fix" what is out there.

So for instance, I will be having a relatively good day then I will hear from the News that an abandoned baby was rescued by passers-by who heard the baby scream.

Then my thoughts go from calm and ease to outrage,anger and feelings of resentment to the cruel nature of man etc. This is "response" reaction. I have left my "gates"" open. I am being influenced from the outside and taking it within.

But say if I had missed the News and not heard about the incident. My mood would have been unaffected by that.

I would go about my day and be "inspired" to write poetry of a small passage about the great beauty of life and how, in essence all happiness is is appreciation and constant adoration of all that life is etc.

This is from the "inside" out. In that the thought emotion came initially from within me.

Chiron in 5th does not necessarily equate to the pain of not having children per se.

One interpretation means that the individual concerned could have holistic "tools" on how to go about rearing other people's children.

There could be a firm grasp and "knowledge" that is intuitive when it comes to children. Especially those who are seen by others as "challenged" or "damaged" in some way.

Chiron in 5th could enable an individual to be able to diagnose(quite spontaneously) what psychological or emotional challenges there may be present.

It is often of-course a reflection on their own personal "inner child"(5th) wounds(Chiron). And it is through this interaction of bringing clarity and healing to another child that they typically provide some relief to themselves.

Chiron is always reflective on the native. Never altruistic at all(that is Neptune).

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I have Neptune in the 5th house and I would like to have one at least.

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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
Maybe the 5th house ruler being squared a lot or having nothing supporting it. I've heard a fiery 5th house and its ruler can mean the womb is burned or something like that. Don't know how true that is though.

Womb being burned? Wow I hope not mine is ruled by
Sagittarius. But I have good Jupiter aspects Moon sextile Jupiter, Jupiter conjunct Mercury, Jupiter conjunct North Node.

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