posted January 28, 2019 01:56 PM            

I have spent several days reading here on this forum about the power of Pluto, and that people underestimate this power

posted January 28, 2019 02:29 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Nadja:
Imo Pluto is the power of transformation, metamorphosis, cataclysmic change, tearing down the old and bringing in the new, life-death-rebirth... I kind of think of Pluto like a volcanic force, both sudden eruption and unstoppable lava flow. So it can also be very intense, deep, penetrative, obsessive focus.

---

posted January 28, 2019 05:19 PM            

For exemple if you take Mars for strengh/brute force, you will have the strongest/top brute force if Pluto touches Mars.

posted January 28, 2019 05:26 PM            

One can see the different themes of pluto by looking at each of our generations. Baby boomers pluto being in leo, millenials in scorpio and so on.

Theres no coincidence that baby boomers are... Well, baby boomers. Leo ruling children and off spring, its cut and dry they were destined to have so a high birthrate for their time.

When pluto was in cancer the world saw the highest spite in divorces severing family ties. Another cut and dry example.

Figured i didnt need to mention pluto going through cap destroying the stock market and such. Look at our authority now. You know, the orange guy.

Now Pluto moving into Aquarius theres gonna be a lot of commotion dealing with ai and robots and such.

Last but definitely not least, should have been 1st pluto in scorpio. The drug epidemic and increase in sexual transmitted diseases. The massive spreading of aids.

With an execption of 1980 and 81 86-96 has definitively THEE highest homicide rates from the 50s to the current date. Murder rates fell 20000 bodies in 97 and has stayed relatively low since the coming of the milleneum.

They said when pluto entered cap it would lose its status (another cap theme) that it did and as you can see the consensus has lost touch. They even tried including ophicuous as a sign which would shorten the span of scorpio and throw this study of the seasons, because thats what astrology is, way off course and out of whack.

posted January 28, 2019 05:29 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by TensionEmpire:
You may contemplate the power of pluto when it toches other planets.

For exemple if you take Mars for strengh/brute force, you will have the strongest/top brute force if Pluto touches Mars.

If you take Venus as love, you will have the deepest love if it touches Pluto.

---

posted January 28, 2019 05:34 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by DRVM614K:
I should be a moderator. Pluto is approaching my asc and will conj my nn in aqua intercepted. As a matter of fact sgarting a website does t sound to bad. Even for a lazy ol taurus like myself

---

posted January 28, 2019 09:22 PM            

It is intense, but the more 'intense' (and fearful) you are to it, the more likely you are to not have a lot of control over it yourself. At the end of the day, Pluto throws us all manner of scenarios and situations and people and things, and we have to OWN how we react and what we do with those things. Is it fair? Probably no, not. Half of the **** we end up experiencing with Pluto can be horrifically difficult to get through. But in the end it's about how we choose to act, who we choose to be. PERSONAL POWER comes from having control over ourselves, no matter what comes at us. I'm not saying it means cutting yourself off from feeling or anything- no no, feeling is an essential part to experiencing personal power.

Usually if and when you make it through a life-destroying emotion, you find yourself immensely stronger for having overcome it. If the same thing were to happen again, you probably wouldn't be as affected by it.

That being said, Pluto really can hammer down the same intense emotional turmoil over and over again UNTIL we master our self control in those situations.

The Life/Death/Rebirth thing can be literal, as Pluto is generational and can be seen on 'event' type things ... But it's also deeply metaphorical. Life requires control of self, the ability to master yourself comes with Saturn's help, but Pluto (Scorpio/Water) is the one who gives emotional control (Saturn is more realistic/physical control; think Capricorn/Earth). I have known plenty of very strongly Saturnian people who have their lives all organized and structured and are 'perfectly functioning humans'- but I always feel bad around those types of people, because often if they've favoured one, they've neglected the other. (Not always!)

Pluto is mastering control over those DEEP seated emotions; the survival reactions, the death throws, the furiously cold anger- and yes, even the morbidly orgasmic bliss. Any emotion that has DEPTH, is usually where Pluto comes in. I see it as a ruler of the underworld- all those severe emotions we tend to shove down deep because they are 'overwhelming', too intense or frightening. Very raw.

Pluto wants you to have mastery and control over those. HEALTHY control. Because there IS bliss to be had. As deeply painful as some emotions can be, there are equal balances of deeply blissful emotions. We cannot know the depth of those happier emotions if we do not fully know the depths of our own darker emotions.

posted January 28, 2019 10:29 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by implosions:
I see it as a ruler of the underworld- all those severe emotions we tend to shove down deep because they are 'overwhelming', too intense or frightening. Very raw.

Pluto wants you to have mastery and control over those. HEALTHY control. Because there IS bliss to be had. As deeply painful as some emotions can be, there are equal balances of deeply blissful emotions. We cannot know the depth of those happier emotions if we do not fully know the depths of our own darker emotions.

Darkness is not bad. It is only aspects of ourselves we have 'hidden' in the dark. Shine a light on them, get to know them and you'll see they have a place in the light. And with Pluto, they can feel as godly/heavenly as they do hellish.

---

If you don't have mastery and control over those psychological tendencies, someone like me will own that power for you, and It may not be in the way you'd appreciate... so get off your a@$ and get to know yourself.

posted January 29, 2019 12:00 AM            

------------------
"Drift like a cloud and flow like water, seeing that all life is a magnificent illusion, a playing of energy, and there is absolutely nothing fundamentally to be afraid of." -- Alan Watts

posted January 29, 2019 12:39 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by DRVM614K:
If you don't have mastery and control over those psychological tendencies, someone like me will own that power for you, and It may not be in the way you'd appreciate... so get off your a@$ and get to know yourself.

They say its a death wish to have an enemy who knows you better than you know yourself.

---

Totally understand why you have this perspective. I sometimes feel the same- though I also know most people weren't brought up in a world where they even knew what that meant. Most previous generations to the ones who are adults/young adults now grew up with parents and more that were allll about repression and demanding everyone else's personal power bow to theirs. Not everyone of course, but a huge majority.

posted January 29, 2019 01:05 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by implosions:
Totally understand why you have this perspective. I sometimes feel the same- though I also know most people weren't brought up in a world where they even knew what that meant. Most previous generations to the ones who are adults/young adults now grew up with parents and more that were allll about repression and demanding everyone else's personal power bow to theirs. Not everyone of course, but a huge majority.

And I mean, usually the only ones who know you better are those you give up your personal power to, so that makes sense.

---

I was adding to what you were saying. But yes that's the consensus' job to repress these qualities of the masses.

With everything your chart has going on you very aware of the projection, blind spots and dynamics of revenge, betrayal etc. There's some definite shadow integration as well as spiritual and evolutionary growth that's taken place for you to speak of it how you do.

As a fellow plutonian I hear talk of, really lack there of pluto getting his past due respect its a MUST I intervene. I remember what it feels to be without this 'power'.

Id rather be homeless and fully integrated than filthy rich in fragments.

posted January 29, 2019 01:13 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by implosions:
I'm all Pluto/Scorpio/8th house triple whammy here, and my experience is that Pluto is all about your Personal Power and the means by which you end up accessing it.

It is intense, but the more 'intense' (and fearful) you are to it, the more likely you are to not have a lot of control over it yourself. At the end of the day, Pluto throws us all manner of scenarios and situations and people and things, and we have to OWN how we react and what we do with those things. Is it fair? Probably no, not. Half of the **** we end up experiencing with Pluto can be horrifically difficult to get through. But in the end it's about how we choose to act, who we choose to be. PERSONAL POWER comes from having control over ourselves, no matter what comes at us. I'm not saying it means cutting yourself off from feeling or anything- no no, feeling is an essential part to experiencing personal power.

Usually if and when you make it through a life-destroying emotion, you find yourself immensely stronger for having overcome it. If the same thing were to happen again, you probably wouldn't be as affected by it.

That being said, Pluto really can hammer down the same intense emotional turmoil over and over again UNTIL we master our self control in those situations.

---

The irony is you often have to lose control to gain that mastery of the self, very well said. I think transformation that comes from pluto experiences lead to mastery of the self that is were the death and rebirth theme comes in, bc you shed layers of yourself as you master your inner demons and start to own your power.

posted January 29, 2019 02:48 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by DRVM614K:
I was adding to what you were saying. But yes that's the consensus' job to repress these qualities of the masses.

With everything your chart has going on you very aware of the projection, blind spots and dynamics of revenge, betrayal etc. There's some definite shadow integration as well as spiritual and evolutionary growth that's taken place for you to speak of it how you do.

As a fellow plutonian I hear talk of, really lack there of pluto getting his past due respect its a MUST I intervene. I remember what it feels to be without this 'power'.

Id rather be homeless and fully integrated than filthy rich in fragments.

As I look up its 1:11

---

I agree. I imagine Saturn coming up on Pluto in Capricorn is really going to be the big collective shift to 'oh yes, we must actually pay attention to this, not ignore it anymore'. I find it is the root cause of almost any issue, the mis-ownership of personal power (or abuse of).

posted January 29, 2019 02:50 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by hypatia238:
The irony is you often have to lose control to gain that mastery of the self, very well said. I think transformation that comes from pluto experiences lead to mastery of the self that is were the death and rebirth theme comes in, bc you shed layers of yourself as you master your inner demons and start to own your power.

---

posted January 29, 2019 03:20 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Pluto is the power of transformation that operates far below the conscious level of understanding. The way to get in touch with it is to practice letting go -- of anything you want to grasp hold of.

---

I have a lot to learn and understand and feel about pluto. One thing that feels like a paradox is though, how being plutonian makes one wanna hold on for dear life! To never let go. To beat the dead horse when the horse has been dead for weeks :/

How is this? Its so painful so how can pluto energy make one wanna hold on and also tell you to "let go so you can heal".

Like, saturn is not like this? saturn helps you detach and put up cold walls etc.

posted January 29, 2019 03:51 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Melinn:
I have a lot to learn and understand and feel about pluto. One thing that feels like a paradox is though, how being plutonian makes one wanna hold on for dear life! To never let go. To beat the dead horse when the horse has been dead for weeks :/

How is this? Its so painful so how can pluto energy make one wanna hold on and also tell you to "let go so you can heal".

Like, saturn is not like this? saturn helps you detach and put up cold walls etc.

That is so hard for me to understand, for now. I hope I will get it with maturity and time...

---

Concentrate on the house sign and any planets that are opposite pluto. That way youll be able to psychologically withstand not having such 'power' and integrate the not so desirable traits of ones pluto placement.

posted January 29, 2019 04:09 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Melinn:
I have a lot to learn and understand and feel about pluto. One thing that feels like a paradox is though, how being plutonian makes one wanna hold on for dear life! To never let go. To beat the dead horse when the horse has been dead for weeks :/

How is this? Its so painful so how can pluto energy make one wanna hold on and also tell you to "let go so you can heal".

Like, saturn is not like this? saturn helps you detach and put up cold walls etc.

That is so hard for me to understand, for now. I hope I will get it with maturity and time...

---

Pluto is a very difficult area to master, if just because of it's emotional nature. The trick is that you have to feel your way through everything. (Which is the real scary part, if we aren't used to letting ourselves just FEEL things). I thought that 'letting go' of something very important to me recently was impossible, terrifying and I struggled for years over it. And then one day I just let myself dig into it a little, hear some hard truths and really cry and feel my way through it. It was painful at the time, because deep sadness and grief is meant to ... but I am so proud of myself for finally doing it. It feels passed over now, like I really did go right through it instead of trying to angrily or sadly just toss it away from me. I HAD to grieve what I was letting go of.

And it's not that you have to just 'let it go' in one fell swoop, which is what the mind perceives as frightening. Whatever we are here to master and surrender control over, is meant to not be controlled. It's meant to be let go. And then it can transform, not just disappear.

I think there is an element of needing to master the lower levels of Pluto as well .. and often that does involve very intense grief. Grieving over what you think or thought was what you actually need or wanted.