posted February 11, 2019 08:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
BTW I wasn't saying that you're a horrible and insensitive person. I actually don't think so at all. You're probably just used to doing this, and have a rather subjective viewpoint about it. I only recently started looking at these sort threads, so have an objective viewpoint. And I think it's wrong. That doesn't make you horrible. At all. Just unaware. Or used to it so it just became ok, or over time at least.

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i said if she saw negative **** she should be honest about it because sugar coating things is ******** and does **** all for people

it isn't robotic to not baby someone and treat them like an adult if they ask a question, why would someone ask if they don't want someone to respond honestly?

you're being more sensitive about this than whitebirds is (btw who are you to say she wouldn't just be upfront if she thought it was wrong? you know her about as well as you know any of us)

posted February 11, 2019 09:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Well first, no one can know if it's the truth. Astrology is a tool that can be used wrong just as it can be used right.

And in your mom's case, say it would be reverse... They'd say that she's gonna die and there's nothing to do about it. After her death you'd slap yourself in the face for believing them all, and regretting not trying everything out there possible to keep her alive. Cuz afterall, they're limited to their personal knowledge only. And most of the time they don't even care. Point being, whatever 'truth' you'd be told would still be open ended and assumed only.

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Astrology did tell me of the possibility of death of the mother at a young age, so yes there is some sort of truth that can be obtained through natal-intepretation. I don't care what you have to say on it because my reasons for believing so are based on a real, personable experience that deeply changed my life.

Secondly, no, if the doctors told us that there was nothing we could do about it they would give us a scientific explanation and reason as to why. We had gone in several times for MRI scans, PET scans, discussing alternatives and medications and etc. Do you really think people are naive enough to just suck up everthing they're told like a sponge? Even when the doctors insisted in extremely aggressive chemotherapy treatments that would destroy my mom's body, she was still insistent on finding better alternatives no matter what as was the rest of us in my family. We wouldn't just sit there and do nothing about it, and here WhiteBirds was trying to find what information she could on it so she could deal with it, truth or not. Had I not studied my natal chart and researched it like I had I may have had a harder time coming to terms with it. I watched my dad sit there telling himself over and over again that everything would be alright because everyone kept telling him all these sugarcoated, positive ******** sayings and what-not. Imagine what a real shock it was to find out none of it mattered in the end.

posted February 11, 2019 09:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i said if she saw negative **** she should be honest about it because sugar coating things is ******** and does **** all for people

it isn't robotic to not baby someone and treat them like an adult if they ask a question, why would someone ask if they don't want someone to respond honestly?

you're being more sensitive about this than whitebirds is (btw who are you to say she wouldn't just be upfront if she thought it was wrong? you know her about as well as you know any of us)

if it was unsolicited then i'd agree with you but it wasn't

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posted February 11, 2019 10:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
Astrology did tell me of the possibility of death of the mother at a young age, so yes there is some sort of truth that can be obtained through natal-intepretation. I don't care what you have to say on it because my reasons for believing so are based on a real, personable experience that deeply changed my life.

Secondly, no, if the doctors told us that there was nothing we could do about it they would give us a scientific explanation and reason as to why. We had gone in several times for MRI scans, PET scans, discussing alternatives and medications and etc. Do you really think people are naive enough to just suck up everthing they're told like a sponge? Even when the doctors insisted in extremely aggressive chemotherapy treatments that would destroy my mom's body, she was still insistent on finding better alternatives no matter what as was the rest of us in my family. We wouldn't just sit there and do nothing about it, and here WhiteBirds was trying to find what information she could on it so she could deal with it, truth or not. Had I not studied my natal chart and researched it like I had I may have had a harder time coming to terms with it. I watched my dad sit there telling himself over and over again that everything would be alright because everyone kept telling him all these sugarcoated, positive ******** sayings and what-not. Imagine what a real shock it was to find out none of it mattered in the end.

While I understand that people say isn't always the ultimate truth, you can't expect WhiteBirds to jump on board and believe that everything Hypatia (or anyone for that matter) says is the truth. Scorpio Moons aren't naive like that, and I'm positive that WhiteBirds was clearly aware of what she was posting and asking for when she posted it. If I want someone's honest opinion I want their honest opinion, not some white lie just to make me feel better. What is there to learn from that? That people are liars, fake, unrealistic?

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posted February 11, 2019 10:13 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
But in this case, it might be wrong, right ? How she said it made it seem like it is certain.

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Still that is just Hypatia's take on it. It's not like she is continously insisting that everything she said will come to pass, even if she did state it as if it was certain the first time around. It's only one person out of the billions of people on the earth making this statement.

posted February 11, 2019 10:17 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ But someone else might not take it that way ?

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posted February 11, 2019 10:21 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ This question was not about death though ? Was it ?

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posted February 11, 2019 10:32 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ Ohh I should have worded it better, I was referring to OP's topic by 'this question' . Hands held up, my fault! lol

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Well she did ask if everything was going to be okay, leaving room for a yes or no response.

posted February 11, 2019 11:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:

Regardless, I would still suggest taking it with a grain of salt. Astrologers are people like us and don't have control over your fate. We learn by sharing knowledge with one another and sometimes that is coming to terms with the negative feedback/interpretations they have to offer.

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posted February 11, 2019 11:38 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Hmm agreed, but astrologers too need to be careful about how they give their feedbacks, granted that it's everyone's right to express whatever they desire, but the impacts that few predictions/feedbacks might have on a person's life can be severe sometimes, but their advices might also turn out to be a boon, or help the person come to acceptance of certain events in lives that they might have hard time coping with otherwise, that is true. Every coin has two sides I guess.

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posted February 12, 2019 12:15 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
But in this case, it might be wrong, right ? How she said it made it seem like it is certain. If you are told that a year later, you are going to die, how will you take it ? Some might accept it, some might even welcome it, most will have panic attacks, even if they might not die, it will be one literal hell of a year for them, astrologers need to be careful before predicting death.

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to be fair she said "potentially" and "i feel" i don't see how that translates into her sounding certain

posted February 12, 2019 12:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
to be fair she said "potentially" and "i feel" i don't see how that translates into her sounding certain

usually when people are 100% they use words that indicate it

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I did see them, and yeah I felt the same as you.

But this

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If my instincts are right about that
whatever his health issues are they will not kill him right
away and he has about 4 more years to go as Pluto will
enter aquarius in 2024 but with Venus conjunct IC I would
think he will die at home surrounded by loved ones.

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posted February 12, 2019 08:15 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:

Mathematically perhaps they might cancel each other out.

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where she said "if"? that doesn't make her sound certain either

posted February 12, 2019 11:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Mercury inconjuncts certainly are tough. I'd be surprised if the aspect isn't somewhat exact.

And the fact that it can play out both ways, that you should've brought to the forefront before. Not after seeing that he's not sick and you don't wanna be completely off with your prediction in four years from now.

I don't know why I'm ridiculing you. I'm actually sorry.

But honestly WhiteBirds wouldn't 'confirm' your insensitivity. I don't know why you're taking her word at face value. Now with the back and forth argument in this thread she's a bit more aware of the possibility (or not) of it being true, so is of course ok with it. But even if not she wouldn't just admit that it's not ok (Scorpio Moon).

For whoever is saying that you're supposed to answer her question in a negative light cuz she's supposed to know the truth (although still not sure which truth)... Just totally robotic. Like inputting a request and results being executed on command.

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What on earth is your problem?

Brenda moving forward I would appreciate if we avoid interacting with you each other, I will avoid interacting with you and please avoid interacting with me.

I have been in this forum for many many years and I have said multiple times in many many different occasions for people to take anything anyone says with a grain of salt even if is an astrologer who does readings for a living. I have never claimed to be an astrology expert, I have never said I make a living doing astrology readings ever, but even then if I did I would stand by what I have said numerous times to take everything anyone says no matter WHO they are astrologically speaking with a grain of salt, including ANYTHING I ever say in here Please!.

That been said I was careful with my wording in my response like I mentioned before and thought I made it clear that this is just a potential. I said things like:

"IDK, potentially" "maybe" "If my instincts are right" etc

I mentioned the other possible manifestations later bc that came to me then in that moment and I tend to go by instinct and say what I feel in the moment, I am not thinking "Oh Brenda might judge me and shame me if I say this." I am just been myself and fluid and free with my speech. I love the creative process that goes with exploring different ways astrological aspects can manifest, Is a hobby I enjoy, is not something I do for a living.

posted February 13, 2019 09:28 PM            

I know you asked me specifically not to... And I completely get it, I'm pretty certain I wouldn't wanna hear from me again either if I were you. And I didn't wanna just respond on a whim, so I hope you don't take what I'm about to say lightly. That what you said really struck a chord. I honestly did not realize that what I said was more insensitive than everyone's responses together on here.

I first wanna say that I appreciate you being upfront with me, I've been told of my offensive language many times before by close family member, and took it rather lightly thinking that they're just overreacting. You pretty much made me realize how far this actually goes and hurts people.

posted February 15, 2019 11:04 AM            

I appreciate all the opinions, even if they are so honest.

I also think astrology is a good guide, but I also think things can change

posted February 15, 2019 11:33 AM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
Please, I didn't want anyone to have problems in this thread with each other.

I appreciate all the opinions, even if they are so honest.

I also think astrology is a good guide, but I also think things can change

A hug to all!

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i wouldn't worry too much if i were you, you didn't do anything to cause their disagreement

glad everything is cool with your dad though, btw something funny i noticed

my mother recently underwent a colonoscopy too like i mentioned and her doctors also found a polyp; she's a scorpio ascendant like your father