posted February 11, 2019 07:49 PM            

Black Moon Lilith
Dark Moon (Waldenmath)
True (Oscillating) Lilith
Asteroid Lilith (1181)

Any aspect to Mercury. How does this instinctive, very persuasive energy affect your style of thought? I've read before that a Lilith conjunction with Mercury can create a sort of 'walking lie detector', where the mind seems on auto-pilot speed and is delightfully brilliant ... but slowing down to explain a lot of what that brilliance is or how it works seems to 'turn off' the power of it.

I experience True Lilith conjunct Mercury (both in Scorpio) and I can attest to the walking lie detector vibe, as well as the extreme difficulty in 'slowing down' to explain how my thought process works.

posted February 11, 2019 08:14 PM            

Its a bunch of vengeful nippy, cynical, smarty pants communication tactics and energy that I use for precision instead.

posted February 11, 2019 08:19 PM            

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Originally posted by DRVM614K:
Black moon lilith opposite mercury. Its apart of a much larger config with pluto so I cant really separate the energies.

Its a bunch of vengeful nippy, cynical, smarty pants communication tactics and energy that I use for precision instead.

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posted February 11, 2019 08:25 PM            

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Originally posted by implosions:
Interesting! I can kind of feel the vibe of the opposition with your style of communication- I've known a few Lilith opp Pluto placements in people too and they all have the same sharp kind of vibe.

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yeah mine is conj pluto. I believe im 6 months older than you...

So your chiron is probably conjunct my dsc…

posted February 11, 2019 08:29 PM            

Never looked at oscillating Lilith in her chart before so I can't say yet how it might work. But I'll be following this thread with interest.

posted February 11, 2019 08:32 PM            

Sextile, trine, or quintile Mercury: The native is able to logically analyze social stigmas & standards, and intellectually deconstruct the power those have over individual lives (especially their own). Reason consistently prevails over peer pressure. Their ideas and the way they communicate them are radical in some way and receive much attention, good or bad. Criticism is easily combated with the mind; they are able to see through others’ opinions and separate themselves from judgement, and are thus free to think the way they want to – free thought defines their mindscape, and they are lost without it. Mental/verbal exchanges shape their understanding of society. Controversy deeply intrigues them.

posted February 11, 2019 08:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Nadja:
Justfound this:

[b]Sextile, trine, or quintile Mercury: The native is able to logically analyze social stigmas & standards, and intellectually deconstruct the power those have over individual lives (especially their own). Reason consistently prevails over peer pressure. Their ideas and the way they communicate them are radical in some way and receive much attention, good or bad. Criticism is easily combated with the mind; they are able to see through others’ opinions and separate themselves from judgement, and are thus free to think the way they want to – free thought defines their mindscape, and they are lost without it. Mental/verbal exchanges shape their understanding of society. Controversy deeply intrigues them.

Square, opposite, or quincunx Mercury: The native has little faith in their ability to accurately comprehend themselves, others, or society as a whole, and therefore may place monumental importance on other people’s opinions. They are easily stressed by having to explain themselves or their actions; judgement and criticism easily shut them down. They are quick to label their ideas or their interpersonal & communicative mannerisms as strange and unwanted, so they may choose to be quiet and reserved rather than put their mind on display. They have a very difficult time defending themselves or rationalizing their place in a group. They can’t use their logical mind to escape twisted social structures.
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Both descriptions may apply to conjunctions.

http://astral-obscura.tumblr.com/post/165913738928/aspects-of-lilith [/B]

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The opposition is exactly what ive been dealing with since 2013. I hate explaining my self for making obvious steps in the right direction concerning.. damn there everything.

All this is true lmao. Unless im using pluto to its fullest potential and over power everything else yeah its like im not there

posted February 11, 2019 09:18 PM            

I really don't vibe with the square description I posted above though. But then my Ascendant/Mercury square has always been more dynamic and driving than harsh and hindering... The description for sextile/trine/quintile fits much better. I'm definitely rather radical in how I express myself, and I've always been very 'mind over matter'... Reason and logical analysis comes to the resque whenever I feel anxious, stressed or beat down. And I'm constantly rebelling against any molds and stereotypes that society wants to impose on me.

posted February 11, 2019 11:53 PM            

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Originally posted by DRVM614K:
yeah mine is conj pluto. I believe im 6 months older than you...

So your chiron is probably conjunct my dsc…

how do you think pluto conj your nodes is gonna play out?

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BML moves that fast in 6 months to make an opposition to Pluto? Unless you mean by transit or you mean True Lilith?

My Chiron is 27 Cancer, with SN at 1 Leo.

posted February 12, 2019 12:20 AM            

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Originally posted by implosions:
BML moves that fast in 6 months to make an opposition to Pluto? Unless you mean by transit or you mean True Lilith?

My Chiron is 27 Cancer, with SN at 1 Leo.

Pluto conjunct the Nodes ... Yeesh I dunno. I've been going through the nodal opposition, and in a lot of ways it feels like I'm somehow playing out the last dregs of my SN habits, and moving towards the NN feels almost wrong right now (it trines my DC/Ceres to the degree so in a lot of ways I feel my NN has been active since I was very little, which honestly has been a bit exhausting). For Pluto to conjunct ... I feel there is going to be a major shift in how I live my life. Either it will involve who I know or what groups I'm apart of. I haven't really thought about it, honestly. I'm more worried about the square Pluto will give my sun stellium in Scorpio once it's half way through (and all the way to the end) of Aquarius.

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No lol my mercury is opposite pluto and Lilith conjunction. Lilith is conjunct pluto from dec 89 to august 90 I believe.

With those square the nodes we have a job to do.

but ye my asc is 26 cap with sat lmao.

Then ur Jupiter would be conjunct my south node. That's where the projection comes in I was talking about before. Im usually not so critical.

but yeah you might not be able move from those south node tendencies for a while with that chiron conjunction. A while I mean past the inverse return. like after the pluto in aqua transit. that ones gonna be fun, and I not being sarcastic. it will be a beautiful day. we'll be about 45ish. midlife crisis time frame. similar to the Saturn pluto conjunction except it'll be personal.

well **** everythings personal with yaw scorps lmao.

posted February 12, 2019 01:01 AM            

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Originally posted by DRVM614K:
No lol my mercury is opposite pluto and Lilith conjunction. Lilith is conjunct pluto from dec 89 to august 90 I believe.

With those square the nodes we have a job to do.

but ye my asc is 26 cap with sat lmao.

Then ur Jupiter would be conjunct my south node. That's where the projection comes in I was talking about before. Im usually not so critical.

but yeah you might not be able move from those south node tendencies for a while with that chiron conjunction. A while I mean past the inverse return. like after the pluto in aqua transit. that ones gonna be fun, and I not being sarcastic. it will be a beautiful day. we'll be about 45ish. midlife crisis time frame. similar to the Saturn pluto conjunction except it'll be personal.

well **** everythings personal with yaw scorps lmao.

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Ah right, that makes more sense lmao. And yes I believe so, mine is conjunct the whole stellium. And wowza, Saturn on the AC, what's that like with the current transits going on?

Oh, critical? Do I come across as a know-it-all ahaha, I'm sorry! I talk big, but that Jupiter is square the Scorp as well, so I know I can come across a bit bossy.

Yes, the chiron has been tricky. I've studied a lot about it but it's a hard one to wrap around. Especially with the nodal opposition- but chiron in transit is trine to it right now and also conjunct my AC, so there's a lot of purging old mindsets. I feel like the NN is going to have some interesting affects on me personally as it's now into my 4th and travelling backward into my personal houses. But I am getting more into therapy and such, so hopefully those all line up in good ways. Ahhh the Pluto in Aqua I am nervous about, you damn right. I have always felt that I'll really be stepping into myself around 45-50, so it makes sense that a square to my stellium would be a game changer.

posted February 12, 2019 01:59 AM            

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Originally posted by implosions:
Ah right, that makes more sense lmao. And yes I believe so, mine is conjunct the whole stellium. And wowza, Saturn on the AC, what's that like with the current transits going on?

Oh, critical? Do I come across as a know-it-all ahaha, I'm sorry! I talk big, but that Jupiter is square the Scorp as well, so I know I can come across a bit bossy.

Yes, the chiron has been tricky. I've studied a lot about it but it's a hard one to wrap around. Especially with the nodal opposition- but chiron in transit is trine to it right now and also conjunct my AC, so there's a lot of purging old mindsets. I feel like the NN is going to have some interesting affects on me personally as it's now into my 4th and travelling backward into my personal houses. But I am getting more into therapy and such, so hopefully those all line up in good ways. Ahhh the Pluto in Aqua I am nervous about, you damn right. I have always felt that I'll really be stepping into myself around 45-50, so it makes sense that a square to my stellium would be a game changer.

Lmaooo I mean yes, it is. Aqua is my whole 11th house though so I suspect my place in the world will be hit hardest.

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posted February 12, 2019 02:01 AM            

It feels like day dreams I had when I was younger are lining up with what has potential of happening now.

Astrology giving Cap the element of metal is extremely accurate. You the cook book interpretation about cap asc feeling like we have to constantly build a type of armor, yeah that **** . It feels like its melting but its felt like it was disintegrating since sat passed over my mc.

Like the top layer was split and fell off. Im guessing when they actually meet the bottom layer its going to experience some heavy compression to create a new top layer. which will of course be there till the next sat return.

Right now it just feels like all the subconscious filters, psychological thresholds, and different neurological pathways are disintegrating.

posted February 12, 2019 02:27 AM            

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Originally posted by DRVM614K:
O yeah i was saying before all this mess i wasn't so critical when it comes to explaining these aspects of astrology. Not the projection stuff lmao

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Damn, that's a lot going on. I can see why it would be so immensely intense though, if it's all transiting your 12th house. It feels a lot heavier when it's in the subconscious, like a weighted shadow you can't seem to figure out. What we can't see or conceive can be some of the heaviest and hardest stuff to deal with.

It sounds, if you don't mind, that there's a lot of anger built up in all of it though. And if Mars is going to be joining the transit, you might wanna find some good ways to channel or get that out. And then me speaking as a Pluto/Sun person, my suggestion would be to remove yourself entirely from the situations that are causing you harm. (Though admittedly less easy to do when a child is involved). I am not so sure your projection of it being worse when it hits the first house/AC is right though. You might feel it more physically, but it's more likely you yourself will finally feel the urge/have the opportunity to have actionable situations, rather than just suffering through it all.

Pluto on the MC is a great placement though, even with Lilith. Definitely the type of energy where people want to talk to you about all the deepest problems and stuff- even I feel the urge to chat hella psychology with you. I'm sorry your situation is so difficult right now though; disconnecting from hastily made ties with the wrong people (ie exes that reaaaaally don't mesh well, I'm sensing Neptune something involved), and toxic parents ... eesh. I suspect you'll have some opportunities to really break yourself free of those in the coming years though. Especially with Pluto in Aqua, like you mentioned.

posted February 12, 2019 02:41 AM            

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Originally posted by FireVirgo:
Interesting. I have BML sesquiquadrate Mercury, which (sadly) reads like the Square.

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posted February 12, 2019 02:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Nadja:
My mother has True Lilith exactly conjunct Midheaven and exactly opposite Mercury on the Nadir. (Lilith in Aquarius, Mercury in Leo also conjunct Leo Sun.)

Never looked at oscillating Lilith in her chart before so I can't say yet how it might work. But I'll be following this thread with interest.

Also just looked at Lilith in my brother's chart. He has Black Moon Lilith and True Lilith exactly conjunct at 29 degrees Scorpio in the 12th, opposite Waldemath Lilith at 1 degrees Gemini 6th... all three square Mercury at 29 degrees Leo, 8th house. That looks... significant to say the least! No idea what to make of it as of yet though.

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As far as I was aware, oscillating is the true lilith? Unless you mean asteroid lilith? On the MC can be a tough one! I find when its a woman, it can bring some of the strongest female friendships- and some really tough rejection from society (but also a lot of rejection from the own self, too).

posted February 12, 2019 02:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Nadja:
I was sure I didn't have any Lilith/Mercury connections in my chart, but it seems I was wrong. I have Waldemath Lilith in Libra 1st house (conjunct my Ascendant and South Node), square Mercury in Cancer 9th (conjunct Mars and Midheaven).

I really don't vibe with the square description I posted above though. But then my Ascendant/Mercury square has always been more dynamic and driving than harsh and hindering... The description for sextile/trine/quintile fits much better. I'm definitely rather radical in how I express myself, and I've always been very 'mind over matter'... Reason and logical analysis comes to the resque whenever I feel anxious, stressed or beat down. And I'm constantly rebelling against any molds and stereotypes that society wants to impose on me.

I also have lots of other Lilith aspects in my chart though, so it's a complicated picture. Asteroid Lilith is conjunct my Sun and squares my Moon, Black Moon Lilith sextiles Venus and squares Jupiter... In fact, the only planets and points that don't make any aspect to any of the Liliths are Saturn and Pluto.

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I would say since your SN is involved with your AC, you're more prone to move away from old habits as you get older (even if those old habits are from other lives/mindsets).

posted February 12, 2019 03:25 AM            

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Originally posted by implosions:

(also still not sure I understand what you mean about the projection thing lmao but that's okay)

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yes that sounds accurate. I've definitely lost some insight on how things have the potential to not be as bad. i feel prepared for it. I see it being situations in which i put my guard down there will be consequences.

that's probably the primal feeling everbody talks about with that transit.

The fact you said what you said about talking psychology brings up something i think i may have asked you before. I know it was some **** when Saturn transited your stellium but what exactly happened with pluto?

I've been searching for explanations of Saturn transit pluto and when i think about it that's when i lost it.

one interpretation says you feel the need to vent to someone and that one will be dealing with mischievous entities around the time of transit. It said these people may not be actual evil people but they might as well be seen as such.

Another interpretation states one should do whats 'deeply' right. I was dealing with an ex at the time and felt i should have spoke with someone, right know i believe it was everyone around that time, but i couldn't. I would literally call people with the intention of saying something and just freeze.

posted February 12, 2019 03:59 AM            

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Originally posted by DRVM614K:
when Saturn transited your stellium but what exactly happened with pluto?

I've been searching for explanations of Saturn transit pluto and when i think about it that's when i lost it.

one interpretation says you feel the need to vent to someone and that one will be dealing with mischievous entities around the time of transit. It said these people may not be actual evil people but they might as well be seen as such.

Another interpretation states one should do whats 'deeply' right. I was dealing with an ex at the time and felt i should have spoke with someone, right know i believe it was everyone around that time, but i couldn't. I would literally call people with the intention of saying something and just freeze.

I mean i have saturn on the asc and pluto opposite merc so there would be some blocks in communication but i never freeze.

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It was a deeply wounding time for me, I'll say that. I was just coming up through puberty and my ability to cope with everything in my life so far (childhood family trauma as well as excessive bullying from everyone outside the family; school, church, faculty, etc). I found that I had no outlet, and that restrictions on my life were becoming more and more severe (I was often punished the more I acted out; I wasn't raised being taught how to express difficult emotions) and eventually I was sent away for someone else in the family to 'handle' me. Unfortunately it ended up being worse off, and I was exposed to a whole other level of abuse and trauma. You mention 'one should do what is deeply right' and I spent at least a year and a half in fear and silence about things, and when I did eventually come forward with the truth, I was guilted into keeping quiet and hiding it under the rug. Two years after that (I believe about the time that Saturn in Sagittarius, likely a ways past my BML) I was re-confronted with the issue despite having lived away from it since the initial time. It all came out then, and it tore the family apart (I don't regret it lmao).

I would say there is a definite urge to vent, but that description sounds more of the day to day than anything about the overall transit. It feels like a deeply un-personal (yet personally affected) kind of situation. Where circumstances or people who have some form of authority over you make decisions for you, for better or worse. (A VERY good thing to have at this time is to deeply know who you have GIVEN power over yourself to, I can't stress this enough, Pluto is your personal power, make sure you have as much of it as is healthy and let the natural Saturn energy in the world work it's magic. Don't let 'other people' who have taken the control you've given up to them make decisions for you, though they will try very hard). The 'venting' thing, another thought came to me; the person I desperately wanted to tell the secrets of the abuse to (who I did eventually tell, who I initially thought was on my side despite later realizing there was a lot of manipulation there too) turned out to be of the 'evil' type. Not actually evil, but definitely seen to be untrustworthy. The irony here is that they were also a Scorpio.

posted February 12, 2019 05:02 AM            

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Originally posted by DRVM614K:
Im rereading this amd im seeing all these typos lmao. That one paragraph could bite me n the ass so it was modified

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posted February 12, 2019 09:39 AM            

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Originally posted by implosions:
As far as I was aware, oscillating is the true lilith? Unless you mean asteroid lilith? On the MC can be a tough one! I find when its a woman, it can bring some of the strongest female friendships- and some really tough rejection from society (but also a lot of rejection from the own self, too).

Wow, the 29 mark in Scorpio! I would say he had some very influential female energy growing up; and he might end up seeking out someone who lives up to it. If you both had the same mother, I would suspect that would be where he got it from. 29 Leo is the height of the 'ego' however, so unless he had a very healthy upbringing, I would imagine he has a very self-oriented mind and way of thinking.

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Yes, I'm talking True/oscillating Lilith in the case of my mother.

My mother definitely forges extremely strong female friendships. For example she lived for years with a a platonic female life partner (until she lost said life partner to cancer). And she has struggled with poor self-esteem, bullying and mental health issues all of her life. She has managed to make both of her children (yes, my brother and I share a mother) into mentally strong and confident individuals, but she definitely struggles herself. She has some more positive Lilith energy as well though... like very strong values, feminist and otherwise, and the guts to stand up for them. She seems to be blind to herself and her own needs but she is fierce when defending someone else and will go to the ends of the earth for pretty much anyone! She is selfless to the point of self-destruction...

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Originally posted by implosions:
I would say since your SN is involved with your AC, you're more prone to move away from old habits as you get older (even if those old habits are from other lives/mindsets).

Asteroid lilith is an interesting one to have on the Sun. I find the asteroid is more of the world-experiences with Lilith, the BML is more relationship-oriented, and the true/oscillating is more personal (being called 'true' as it's most often felt as the most personal experience). Square to the moon sounds a bit ouch, though! But Moon square Sun already can be easier handled than say if it were just lilith squared. The sextile to Venus is nice too! And even a hard aspect with Jupiter isn't usually that hard- just a little excessive sometimes. And probably better they don't interact with Saturn/Pluto; those guys are heavy hitters.

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posted February 12, 2019 09:48 AM            

I have trouble communicating verbally at times because I think faster than I speak which makes me blurt out 1/2 of what I think/want to say.

posted February 12, 2019 09:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Nadja:
I do share my mother's strong feminist values and rebellion against the standards of society.[/B]

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