posted February 13, 2019 08:25 AM            

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Originally posted by bluesky:
Mars in Gemini! (Or, anything in Gemini...)

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posted February 13, 2019 08:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
I think you have to look at the whole chart.

I've Uranus in 5H which should make me one for hookups but I'm never into that kinda thing, perhaps because I've Pluto in 5H as well, so while I have thought about it but I can never do it in reality.

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posted February 13, 2019 08:56 AM            

But the good news is, the native grows up very quickly. Seeing the world as not a bed of roses.

But above the chart i.e 7th to 12th, it can be revolutionary on one hand as the individual is often uncomfortable with the social order.

Or destructive(at worst) on the other hand, as the anger finds no clear purpose or way to express itself constructively. So it seeks to be a "rebel without a cause".

Scorpio 5th,Pluto conjunct an empty 5th house ruler or ruler of the 5th house in the cusp 8th can create obsessive feelings and there seems to be many psychological walls built around abandonment or fear of neglect in the dating realm.

Include therein Sun in 8th(as Sun is the natural ruler of the 5th house of play)

Leo on the cusp the 8th(especially when empty)

Pluto in aspect to the Sun could make love relatioships very serious business too.

My rule is that you have to look for repetitions(atleast 3 times).

Take for instance a native with Asc in Pisces, Sun Libra in 8th, Pluto in Cancer in 5th and the cusp of the 5th Cancer ruler (Moon) in Scorpio.

So if Pluto is in the 5th...thats one.
Sun is in the 8th...that's two.
Ruler of the 5th in Scorpio...that's three.

posted February 13, 2019 10:55 AM            

Now an intercepted house/s are likened to a room within a room. There is some secrecy that I can deduce in them in that their resources are "hidden" by the borders of another house. Like a secret room behind a stairwell in a house etc.

The prevalent notion is that it makes them "hard " to express. But i think that is one side of the story. Because i am of the view that they can show someone the strength and/ or resources they didn't consciously think they had.

So in this chart's case, Pluto intercepted with Venus ruling the 5th has the person believe that they are friendly,flirtatious, light and into nothing too serious too quickly when it comes to dating.

This especially when we consider that Venus is in playful Gemini. Full of promise but none of real substance. Very likely to have two or three suitors etc.

But as they get into dating and the mate gets to know them, the "playful" nature of Gemini is superseded by Pluto in Scorpio in 5th. As this is the "secret room".

So you find the individual may ask themselves " why do things in my dating scene start off so light but end up feeling like murder?" .And this is usually what they will say when still projecting the energy out to others i.e "they bring the drama.Not me. Its all their fault".

So Pluto in the 5th intercepted in this chart is much like memories one has when in a state of deep sleep or hypnosis. They feel "scary" because they are unfamiliar. And there is always an unwillingness to revisit them or explore them because of the fear of them "interfering" with the conscious self right now.

Is the chart owner the type to insist on "no drama"? I see their Mercury/Mars is in Cancer and the ruler of both is Moon in Cap(Saturn-ruled)

And I also see that Moon/Uranus/Saturn form a triple conjunction of detachment from emotions or at least distancing oneself from all that "drama".

I see this play out in clinical 6th house of intellectual dissection i.e "I will process my emotions by picking and choosing what i can accept from what I cannot".

Add to that, the Neptune in Cap close to the 7th from the 6th. The notion is that its the "other"(7th) that's irrational(Neptune). Not me.

The chart owner thinks themselves as fine and "rational" (Mercury/Mars conjunct in 1st). So they defend themselves (Mars/Mercury in 1st) against(opposed) "illogical" people(Neptune conj 7th)

Notice also that Sun/Chiron in Gemini conjunct in 12th opposing Saturn and Uranus. This could suggest a fixation to be mentally "superior" (Sag/Gem axis) in order to prove oneself to oneself and overcome an inferiority complex when it comes to mental things.

This is further echoed by the ruler of the 12th Mercury (who i am in private or in the subconscious mind) being in the 1st house conjunct Mars in emotionally sensitive Cancer i.e "I will speak for myself thank you very much. And say what I feel."

Fascinating chart.

posted February 13, 2019 11:11 AM            

What would you say about someone who has 8th house scorpio with pluto in it.
And Pluto is sextile the 7th house ruler sun in leo in, which is located there in 7th house? Obsessive in relationships?

And 5th house cancer, ruler moon inconjunct pluto in 8th?

Ok I have one interesting thing, IC ruler Mercury exactly conjunct DC. And Square Pluto in 8th?

posted February 13, 2019 11:16 AM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
I have this and I can be committed.

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posted February 13, 2019 12:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:
And fascinating read aries23!

What would you say about someone who has 8th house scorpio with pluto in it.
And Pluto is sextile the 7th house ruler sun in leo in, which is located there in 7th house? Obsessive in relationships?

And 5th house cancer, ruler moon inconjunct pluto in 8th?

Ok I have one interesting thing, IC ruler Mercury exactly conjunct DC. And Square Pluto in 8th?

Lol looking after obsessive patterns in this guy

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The thing is Melinn,I was looking for patterns in the whole chart and connected themes.

If i make judgement based on those placements alone. It may be like judging limbs as separate from each other and thr body. The theme is hard to find.

For instance,I have noticed that in many charts I have looked at, hurt,pain,fear form the unconscious basis upon which we operate.

So adulthood is about confronting or making sense of these wounds and why/how they define us etc. Do they inhibit love of ourselves, have us feel separate and lonely or nurse phobias and fears?

posted February 13, 2019 01:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:
Agreed. I have gemini stellium and I can only with commited relationships. Thats because the gemini planets are in 10th house (cap/saturn ruled)
And they are opposite saturn. So no. I'm not a tease or a causual hook up person...

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posted February 13, 2019 01:43 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
@Aries23Degrees So you are saying that this person basically can’t be in a serious relationship? Why is it that Venus in Gemini is labeled to have many people at once? It’s the same thing for Mars in Gemini people think I can’t be loyal lol but I can be. What do you think about the synastry I have with them? Should I just avoid them?

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In as far as Gemini is concerned, I was basing my analysis on the duplicitous nature of Mercury. And how when in Gemini, its qualities may be exaggerated.

Not to say ALL Geminis are cheats but in the context of the chart analysed, the cool distance suggested by Mo/ Sat/Ura emphasized the non "heavy" emotional nature that the Venus in Gemini is a nice addition to. Also since its on the Gem/Gem dwadsama.

Personally,I like Venus in Gem(two of my exes have it) and my sister has Mars in Gemini. All however (curiously) have Gem on the Cap dwadsama. So it lends a more serious tone to them.

My sister has Saturn in 5th,7th house Cap cusp.Her Mars also opposes Saturn. So she is the more "serious" type.

The one ex has Cap Mars also with Saturn opp Venus. With Sun/Moon in Taurus on the Cap Dwadsama.And his empty 5th house ruler is Venus. Very serious no nonsense guy.

The other ex is not as serious(granted). But he has Saturn on Sun/Mercury(ruler of Venus).

posted February 13, 2019 01:50 PM            

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Originally posted by bluesky:
Mars in Gemini! (Or, anything in Gemini...)

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posted February 13, 2019 01:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
[b]@Aries23Degrees So you are saying that this person basically can’t be in a serious relationship? Why is it that Venus in Gemini is labeled to have many people at once? It’s the same thing for Mars in Gemini people think I can’t be loyal lol but I can be. What do you think about the synastry I have with them? Should I just avoid them?

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In as far as Gemini is concerned, I was basing my analysis on the duplicitous nature of Mercury. And how when in Gemini, its qualities may be exaggerated.

Not to say ALL Geminis are cheats but in the context of the chart analysed, the cool distance suggested by Mo/ Sat/Ura emphasized the non "heavy" emotional nature that the Venus in Gemini is a nice addition to. Also since its on the Gem/Gem dwadsama.

Personally,I like Venus in Gem(two of my exes have it) and my sister has Mars in Gemini. All however (curiously) have Gem on the Cap dwadsama. So it lends a more serious tone to them.

My sister has Saturn in 5th,7th house Cap cusp.Her Mars also opposes Saturn. So she is the more "serious" type.

The one ex has Cap Mars also with Saturn opp Venus. With Sun/Moon in Taurus on the Cap Dwadsama.And his empty 5th house ruler is Venus. Very serious no nonsense guy.

The other ex is not as serious(granted). But he has Saturn on Sun/Mercury(ruler of Venus).

All things must be considered.[/B][/QUOTE]

posted February 13, 2019 02:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
The thing is Melinn,I was looking for patterns in the whole chart and connected themes.

If i make judgement based on those placements alone. It may be like judging limbs as separate from each other and thr body. The theme is hard to find.

For instance,I have noticed that in many charts I have looked at, hurt,pain,fear form the unconscious basis upon which we operate.

So adulthood is about confronting or making sense of these wounds and why/how they define us etc. Do they inhibit love of ourselves, have us feel separate and lonely or nurse phobias and fears?

I am starting to think that it is by no coincidence that Chiron is a key symbol. I feel like Chiron "unlocks" this pattern more clearly.

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oh shoot! Well I tried my best anyway haha

But yes the whole thing has to be looked at of course.

I have tried at several times asked about if this person may hae plutonic energies etc, but so far no luck, well I give up. Well, I "want" him to have this energy so I have asked it here like this whenever it leaned on thread themes like this