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kani
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posted February 26, 2019 05:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kani     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey folks,

I've been told a couple of times that I seem unapproachable. I was wondering where this can be seen in my chart..
Here it is. (edited it with tighter orbs)

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posted February 26, 2019 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ruler of the 1st house in the 1st house
North node in 1st house
Mars conjunct Sun both conjunct the Mc
Pluto square Moon in 1st
Sun/Venus and Mars in Draco Scorpio Mc
natal Lilith in Scorpio conjunct Draco Venus

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posted February 26, 2019 07:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MarsSaturnDelight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Ruler of the 1st house in the 1st house

Can you elaborate on the above? Thanks!

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posted February 26, 2019 07:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kani     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Ruler of the 1st house in the 1st house
North node in 1st house
Mars conjunct Sun both conjunct the Mc
Pluto square Moon in 1st
Sun/Venus and Mars in Draco Scorpio Mc
natal Lilith in Scorpio conjunct Draco Venus

Thanks Aries

I have the NN in the 2nd though. The true node definitely is in the 2nd (that's what I work with) and it makes much much more sense than having NN in the 1st when I look at my life and my lessons.

Why would the ruler of the 1st in the 1st make someone unapproachable? Could you explain?
Also, I find the Draco stuff intriguing. Never thought it would have such a big effect.

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posted February 26, 2019 08:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i would blame you having a water moon in the first house

that kind of thing is a bit much for me anyway usually, moon in first people generally are way too emotional and usually too intense for me

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posted February 26, 2019 08:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kani     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i would blame you having a water moon in the first house

that kind of thing is a bit much for me anyway usually, moon in first people generally are way too emotional and usually too intense for me



It's not a blame thing. I don't really mind it, I'm just curious. And I don't consider myself too emotional either. I can detach quite well actually. Intense, mysterious and seemingly "dangerous" is what I got called haha. I'm quite harmless though. I just think that I have an invisible wall that prevents (many) people from approaching me. I've never been called emotional funnily enough. I have been called cold and unemotional, which isn't true either. People always seem to be surprised when I tell them that I'm sensitive.

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posted February 26, 2019 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by kani:

It's not a blame thing. I don't really mind it, I'm just curious. And I don't consider myself too emotional either. I can detach quite well actually. Intense, mysterious and seemingly "dangerous" is what I got called haha. I'm quite harmless though. I just think that I have an invisible wall that prevents (many) people from approaching me.

that feeling people get is probably the saturn opposition + you having mars conjunct your sun

mars-saturn hard aspects aren't very fun to deal with

what you might consider emotional isn't necessarily what someone else might, and hiding emotions isn't necessarily the same as them not being obvious anyway beneath the surface

think of it like when someone walks into a room in a bad mood and you can feel it on them no matter how much they laugh or smile it permeates the environment all the same

cancer tends to bury things, but with moon in 1st in cancer your buried feelings might still give off that sort of intensity i'm talking about

people don't generally find someone legit detached intense or necessarily dangerous, but especially not intense

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posted February 26, 2019 08:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kani     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
that feeling people get is probably the saturn opposition + you having mars conjunct your sun

mars-saturn hard aspects aren't very fun to deal with

what you might consider emotional isn't necessarily what someone else might, and hiding emotions isn't necessarily the same as them not being obvious anyway beneath the surface

think of it like when someone walks into a room in a bad mood and you can feel it on them no matter how much they laugh or smile it permeates the environment all the same

cancer tends to bury things, but with moon in 1st in cancer your buried feelings might still give off that sort of intensity i'm talking about

people don't generally find someone legit detached intense or necessarily dangerous, but especially not intense


I don't really count that Mars Saturn opposition. It is too wide, about 8 degrees. And I don't really feel it.
I don't hide my emotions either. And burying is impossible with moon square Pluto, believe me haha.
My dad is very very intense and I can always sense the danger around him in his proximity (he is very emotionally imbalanced and unpredictable) but generally people are everything but scared to approach him.
I'm much more balanced, most of the time in a good mood but - and I must be more precise - men who have an interest in me are still scared to approach me. There are sitations when they manage to get closer (and figure out I'm not at all dangerous or deadly haha) and then admit that they were somehow scared but also intrigued.

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posted February 26, 2019 08:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by kani:
I don't really count that Mars Saturn opposition. It is too wide, about 8 degrees. And I don't really feel it.
I don't hide my emotions either. And burying is impossible with moon square Pluto, believe me haha.
My dad is very very intense and I can always sense the danger around him in his proximity (he is very emotionally imbalanced and unpredictable) but generally people are everything but scared to approach him.
I'm much more balanced, most of the time in a good mood but - and I must be more precise - men who have an interest in me are still scared to approach me. There are sitations when they manage to get closer (and figure out I'm not at all dangerous or deadly haha) and then admit that they were somehow scared but also intrigued.

well how about you just tell me what parts of your chart you do count and we work from there?

if you can't hide your feelings (which i said is a moon in 1st trait anyway) and then also have the pluto square along with everything else then you know it's probably all that

edit: also again, just because you don't notice something about yourself doesn't mean other people can't see it

your perspective is not everyone else's

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posted February 26, 2019 08:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
if you wanted people to read a whole sign chart with tight orbs only posting one of those would've made more sense btw

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posted February 26, 2019 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kani     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
well how about you just tell me what parts of your chart you do count and we work from there?

if you can't hide your feelings (which i said is a moon in 1st trait anyway) and then also have the pluto square along with everything else then you know it's probably all that

edit: also again, just because you don't notice something about yourself doesn't mean other people can't see it

your perspective is not everyone else's


I just don't feel the wider orbs, that's all. I don't know how to adjust that with astro.com so I created a chart with the default setting. But yeah, not feelin 8 degree opposition between Mars and Saturn and Venus Mars 9 degree conjunction.

I was responding to what you said about Cancer burying emotions. I don't bury and I don't hide anything.
I'm aware we all have our own perspective. That is the reason I openened this thread, to hear the opinions of astrologers.

P.S. to add to what you said above: I'm not detached all the time but I can detach (emotionally).

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posted February 26, 2019 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kani     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
if you wanted people to read a whole sign chart with tight orbs only posting one of those would've made more sense btw

Will try and change that...

Edit: the updated version is in the original post now. I managed to reduce the orbs. I think this one is a realistic version

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posted February 26, 2019 09:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MarsSaturnDelight:
Can you elaborate on the above? Thanks!

The 1st house is affiliated with Mars/Aries(it matters not what the Asc is). And so if the ruler of the 1st house is in the 1st house( more especially Sun/Pluto/Mars), it can produce an Aries-like nature mixed with the nature of that planet.

With Libra Asc and Venus in Libra in 1st, the assertiveness of Aries is there.But so is the charm of Venus in Libra.

What we can deduce from the native above is that they are an "assertive charmer".They may use their looks/ charm or sex appeal (Venus) "upfront"(1st/Aries) to interact with the world through wearing fashionable clothes or being an incorrigible flirt.

With Cancer Asc and Moon in Cancer conjuct in the 1st house the emotional nature(Moon) is given the front row assertive seat (1st). So Aries/Mars energy is mixed with Cancer/Moon energy.

This individual has "hot"(Aries/1st) emotions (Moon /Cancer) or their emotional nature(Moon) comes to the surface(1st house) upon initial interaction. And is often the strong identification point i.e. "I am what I feel"

So issues pertaining to women,mothers,babies, marriage and all themes related to the Moon take the first preference. And the individual is often strongly defensive or goes to war for the above mentioned because they form a strong part of their identity.

Yes there is compassion and nurturing etc. But the nurturing is more dynamic and visceral than if Moon was in the 4th house or Ic and not in aspect to the Asc.

Due to the Moon being in the 1st, moodiness is heightened..But so is the temper that accompanies those moods i.e when they are happy, they are ecstatic. When they are sad, the world is ending! .

And this strong sweep of emotions can have people around them feel like they are dealing with an unpredictable "bipolar" individual whom can be easily sparked off like a landmine.

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posted February 26, 2019 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MarsSaturnDelight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Aries!

Would love a chart reading from you at some point

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posted February 26, 2019 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kani     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
The 1st house is affiliated with Mars/Aries(it matters not what the Asc is). And so if the ruler of the 1st house is in the 1st house( more especially Sun/Pluto/Mars), it can produce an Aries-like nature mixed with the nature of that planet.

With Libra Asc and Venus in Libra in 1st, the assertiveness of Aries is there.But so is the charm of Venus in Libra.

What we can deduce from the native above is that they are an "assertive charmer".They may use their looks/ charm or sex appeal (Venus) "upfront"(1st/Aries) to interact with the world through wearing fashionable clothes or being an incorrigible flirt.

With Cancer Asc and Moon in Cancer conjuct in the 1st house the emotional nature(Moon) is given the front row assertive seat (1st). So Aries/Mars energy is mixed with Cancer/Moon energy.

This individual has "hot"(Aries/1st) emotions (Moon /Cancer) or their emotional nature(Moon) comes to the surface(1st house) upon initial interaction. And is often the strong identification point i.e. "I am what I feel"

So issues pertaining to women,mothers,babies, marriage and all themes related to the Moon take the first preference. And the individual is often strongly defensive or goes to war for the above mentioned because they form a strong part of their identity.

Yes there is compassion and nurturing etc. But the nurturing is more dynamic and visceral than if Moon was in the 4th house or Ic and not in aspect to the Asc.

Due to the Moon being in the 1st, moodiness is heightened..But so is the temper that accompanies those moods i.e when they are happy, they are ecstatic. When they are sad, the world is ending! .

And this strong sweep of emotions can have people around them feel like they are dealing with an unpredictable "bipolar" individual whom can be easily sparked off like a landmine.



Very interesting Aries, thank you very much!
Not a fan of motherhood/babies or marriage at all but that is down to other placements. I can be caring and nurturing but only on my own terms and when I feel like it. I hate it when someone tries to put me in the position where I m supposed to be the nurturer. Hence why I go against traditional gender roles so much. I'm allergic to the forcefulness behind it.
And yeah the up and down and the extreme emotions very much used to be a part of me. I'm much more chilled out now though (thank God as that used to be exhausting).

"And this strong sweep of emotions can have people around them feel like they are dealing with an unpredictable "bipolar" individual whom can be easily sparked off like a landmine."

That made me laugh. Yeah I was definitely like that in my younger years. My mum used to call me Etna (after the volcano).

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posted February 26, 2019 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by kani:
I just don't feel the wider orbs, that's all. I don't know how to adjust that with astro.com so I created a chart with the default setting. But yeah, not feelin 8 degree opposition between Mars and Saturn and Venus Mars 9 degree conjunction.

I was responding to what you said about Cancer burying emotions. I don't bury and I don't hide anything.
I'm aware we all have our own perspective. That is the reason I openened this thread, to hear the opinions of astrologers.

P.S. to add to what you said above: I'm not detached all the time but I can detach (emotionally).


if you dont bury or hide anything then it's there

you have neptune square a lot of your **** including your sun which can cloud your own perception of self and your actions

i only said what i did about the orbs and houses because you said something about your north node as well

if you ask for people to give you things in a chart that might make a person unapproachable then theyre going to pick out things they would assume affected that, if the chart is inaccurate (in your opinion) then the things they can say can't be

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posted February 26, 2019 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by kani:

Very interesting Aries, thank you very much!
Not a fan of motherhood/babies or marriage at all but that is down to other placements. I can be caring and nurturing but only on my own terms and when I feel like it. I hate it when someone tries to put me in the position where I m supposed to be the nurturer. Hence why I go against traditional gender roles so much. I'm allergic to the forcefulness behind it.
And yeah the up and down and the extreme emotions very much used to be a part of me. I'm much more chilled out now though (thank God as that used to be exhausting).

"And this strong sweep of emotions can have people around them feel like they are dealing with an unpredictable "bipolar" individual whom can be easily sparked off like a landmine."

That made me laugh. Yeah I was definitely like that in my younger years. My mum used to call me Etna (after the volcano).


Probably was vague with the whole "go to war" for the babies, marriage etc. themes mentioned. I didn't mean one necessarily adores such.

Infact, from my own understanding one with Moon in 1st house in Cancer tends to despise rigid gender roles like Mom cooks the food and Dad watches Tv etc.And that is because of the underlying Aries nature-which considers restrictions imposed upon them due to gender lables "confining". And may violently rebel against such.

So with the other themes mentioned, one might be a feminist or be the type who wants to advance the role of women to a level that is equal to that of men. So this position makes one a warrior in the interests of women.

As such, "girly girls" or "ditzy" females irritate them. As do women who insist on being the gate keepers of male privilege. This especially old matriarchs who are from the bygone era where being a "good" woman meant staying in the Kitchen and being a diligent wife to your master/husband

One may be the type who is deeply affected by the violation of the rights of children or abused babies etc. Ofcourse everyone is affected by the above, but with Moon in 1st ,it hits a raw nerve.

Women empowerment & independence is usually something that they look at favourably etc. Especially within marriage. This more so when it comes to challenging the "outdated"roles of wife/husband relations.

My sister has Moon in Cancer conjunct Asc in Cancer & she HATES Steve Harvey's rhetoric that it is the woman that has to 'read' the man and thereby 'adjust' herself so that she can be more 'compatible' to him etc.

She despises anything that smells of patriarchy or male privilege. And equal in detest, are women who "enable" male entitlement. etc.

This placement echoes Moon in Aries/Moon in aspect to Mars(which you have by trine)

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posted February 26, 2019 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kani     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
if you dont bury or hide anything then it's there

you have neptune square a lot of your **** including your sun which can cloud your own perception of self and your actions

i only said what i did about the orbs and houses because you said something about your north node as well

if you ask for people to give you things in a chart that might make a person unapproachable then theyre going to pick out things they would assume affected that, if the chart is inaccurate (in your opinion) then the things they can say can't be


yeah the Neptune squares definitely come into play when it comes to self perception. Like when people tell me I come off as domineering, which completely baffles me. I don't see myself like that at all. Also, I feel like people are very quick to put me into a position of power (don't know how else to put it) which is weird because I have no interest in exercising power over anyone (unless it's in a business situationm eg. where I'm directing a movie, so the power comes naturally with the role). But other than that I'm not interested.
As for the node - yeah NN in 2 is so apparent in my life so far (annoyingly) that the true node must be the one at play. Hence why I said that earlier to Aries 23 degrees.

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posted February 26, 2019 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kani     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Probably was vague with the whole "go to war" for the babies, marriage etc. themes mentioned. I didn't mean one necessarily adores such.

Infact, from my own understanding one with Moon in 1st house in Cancer tends to despise rigid gender roles like Mom cooks the food and Dad watches Tv etc.And that is because of the underlying Aries nature-which considers restrictions imposed upon them due to gender lables "confining". And may violently rebel against such.

So with the other themes mentioned, one might be a feminist or be the type who wants to advance the role of women to a level that is equal to that of men. So this position makes one a warrior in the interests of women.

As such, "girly girls" or "ditzy" females irritate them. As do women who insist on being the gate keepers of male privilege. This especially old matriarchs who are from the bygone era where being a "good" woman meant staying in the Kitchen and being a diligent wife to your master/husband

One may be the type who is deeply affected by the violation of the rights of children or abused babies etc. Ofcourse everyone is affected by the above, but with Moon in 1st ,it hits a raw nerve.

Women empowerment & independence is usually something that they look at favourably etc. Especially within marriage. This more so when it comes to challenging the "outdated"roles of wife/husband relations.

My sister has Moon in Cancer conjunct Asc in Cancer & she HATES Steve Harvey's rhetoric that it is the woman that has to 'read' the man and thereby 'adjust' herself so that she can be more 'compatible' to him etc.

She despises anything that smells of patriarchy or male privilege. And equal in detest, are women who "enable" male entitlement. etc.

This placement echoes Moon in Aries/Moon in aspect to Mars(which you have by trine)

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YES YES YES Spot on!!! So spot on!
And yeah the abuse of kids definitely hits a nerve. I'm planning on writing a script about sexual child abuse (a child porn ring - that gets busted in the end though). Maybe because I was abused myself as a child (not sexually, but physically and emotionally, also mentally) so that is definitely something I can relate to. Everything you said is very true for me.
I have rebelled against gender roles even as a child. My parents come from a culture where there are still very much traditional gender roles and the male doing nothing in the house is the norm. I ******* hate it. And I got a lot of abuse for resisting this role.

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posted February 26, 2019 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by kani:
Thanks Aries

I have the NN in the 2nd though. The true node definitely is in the 2nd (that's what I work with) and it makes much much more sense than having NN in the 1st when I look at my life and my lessons.

Why would the ruler of the 1st in the 1st make someone unapproachable? Could you explain?
Also, I find the Draco stuff intriguing. Never thought it would have such a big effect.


The Draco chart extends the natal and adds layers to it.

What I found most telling with your Draco is that natal Lilith is right at the top of Draco Mc. And if you read the background of Lilith, you may see how it ties up with what I said about Moon in 1st house being a warrior that is dead set to breakaway from rigid female roles imposed upon her by a male-loving society.

Lilith waz said to be the original mate of Adam before Eve. But she refused to be subordinate to him and wanted to be his equal.

As such,Liliths legend also suggests a dark nefarious energy that is not for patriarch under any forms. So one of the manifestation is that of Lilith being associated with cot death: here the overarching metaphor is that "motherhood" is still a patriarchal disguise to entrap the woman and make her a subordinate through birthing the man's sperm(baby).

So Lilith sets the woman "free" by smiting the child either after birth or even sometimes before birth(miscarriage) .

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posted February 26, 2019 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ballerina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I disagree..

Society has forced
woman into the world
of Men too far..

we need to meet in the
Middle

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Originally posted by ballerina:
I disagree..

Society has forced
woman into the world
of Men too far..

we need to meet in the
Middle


What is the world of men?
I believe the feminine principle has been awakened more and more in the past couple of years. Gender roles are beig broken up and dissolved and people are starting to integrate both the masculine and feminine principle within themselves in order to become balanced. It will take a while until this is the norm but I'm sure it'll come.

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posted February 26, 2019 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ballerina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe at least one
parent should be at the
House with the Light On...

No one will love your
children the way you do,
Love Begins at home,
not daycare!

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
The Draco chart extends the natal and adds layers to it.

What I found most telling with your Draco is that natal Lilith is right at the top of Draco Mc. And if you read the background of Lilith, you may see how it ties up with what I said about Moon in 1st house being a warrior that is dead set to breakaway from rigid female roles imposed upon her by a male-loving society.

Lilith waz said to be the original mate of Adam before Eve. But she refused to be subordinate to him and wanted to be his equal.

As such,Liliths legend also suggests a dark nefarious energy that is not for patriarch under any forms. So one of the manifestation is that of Lilith being associated with cot death: here the overarching metaphor is that "motherhood" is still a patriarchal disguise to entrap the woman and make her a subordinate through birthing the man's sperm(baby).

So Lilith sets the woman "free" by smiting the child either after birth or even sometimes before birth(miscarriage) .


Thank you. And yes I do feel motherhood is a form of entrapment.
Just curious: how can you see my Draco positions without my birth data? And Draco MC is at 18 Scorpio (I just checked) while Lilith (natal) is at 8 Scorpio. Do you still count this as a conjunction or what did you mean with "on top".?
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posted February 26, 2019 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kani     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ballerina:
I believe at least one
parent should be at the
House with the Light On...

No one will love your
children the way you do,
Love Begins at home,
not daycare!


Some kids absolutely enjoy daycare though. And as for a parent being at home: nothing wrong with it being the father, don't you agree?

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