posted April 05, 2019 01:51 PM            

Its like they offer that extra support and energy to each other for good or ill-depending on the area of life they act in. And in some cases, may even get to the extent where they border on self sabotage.

Sun and Mars-Too much attachment to ego closely bordering on arrogance. Tendency to be too self concerned to the point of being narcissistic, desire to win at all costs, I am the ultimate "winner" and I take ALL the spoils.

Moon and Jupiter-Bipolar tendencies/Dramatic and up/down emotional tendencies,big gestures, gregarious teacher, emotional desire to learn, the more I move the better I feel, emotionally involving type of learning.

Mercury and Uranus- Thoughts too erratic/ likely ADD tendencies and commitment-phobia, shock tactics, thinking on ones feet,improvised strategies, jumping from one subject to the next without completion of the last subject matter, "If it don't feel like lightning to hear. I aint here"

Venus and Jupiter-Too much risk taking/gambling tendencies & overindulgent behavior, "I am too good-looking", "I have charm for days", "I have many options", big love, love many people all at once, polyamorous set-ups.

Mars and Pluto- uncharted aggression/unwarranted violence and tendencies to kill a fly with a bullet, anger that goes on for years before exploding, a spark ends with an explosion, "there will be blood".

Moon and Neptune- Hypersensitivity/Psychic awareness or moodiness? Too much "bleeding heart" tendencies, "I need to save someone" syndrome, easily manipulated by emotions, tuning into the feelings of the collective

Venus and Neptune- naive to a point of being gullible, too taken in by charm/good looks, too concerned with everything else but the obvious that is staring at you, I will love you forever but what is "forever"?, love is boundless, divine love, selfless love, addicted to love,inlove with love.

Sun and Pluto-strong need to remake oneself or others, ideals that one will die for, focused goals, inability to "diversify",focused life, specializing in a field that consumes one's life or which one strongly identifies oneself with, inability to detract oneself from career/job, unable to subjugate oneself to others(even authority), "what I do is who I am" [edited]

Jupiter and Neptune- big deception, "a whole lot of nothing", mass hypnosis/hysteria,the river merging with the big blue sea,the biggest disappearing act ever pulled off, being everywhere and nowhere at the same time.

I have Jupiter-Neptune conjunct natally & Sun-Pluto by sextile aspect. And I see these two natal positions & aspects very evident in my life.

posted April 05, 2019 02:33 PM            

i can't really relate to what you've said about pluto for the most part (and i have it in my first house in most house systems too) i don't give a **** about power because while i prefer to not give mine over to someone else to have them wield anything over me i have zero desire for power over others as well it's all unappealing and too much work

i'd much rather be left alone or find some balance than dominate or be dominated, and i don't really have any ambitions that would require ruthlessness etc and so on

i can relate a lot more to mercury-uranus in the sense that i legit do have a horrible attention span and often go off in a lot of different directions when i speak, and i have an aversion to making any kinds of plans because that sort of commitment just makes me anxious (in a relationship i can commit though provided indefinite monogamy forever isn't expected) people who know me know if they want to do anything with me they should just call me within an hour of it being a thing

my fiancee has a lot of the **** you listed though

sun-mars (square) and she can be too tied to her ego at points so i've seen that

venus-jupiter (sextile) and well we've done the whole three person relationship thing and both like that dynamic and we've got a long history of using drugs together too so that's true

mars-pluto (sextile) and definitely can be like that exactly

moon-neptune (square) she's hypersensitive and moody, but can also be easily manipulated if she feels bad for someone, but with the psychic awareness too

venus-neptune (sextile) she can be very naive about people, but also there's that depth when she really does love (she has venus exactly conjunct pluto in scorpio too so it runs really deep with her) though the taken in by looks thing is true for her too

she's actually told me looks are the most important thing to her and she likes my looks better than my personality (which is fine with me) and that she'll love me forever

she's a pretty intense person to say the least

posted April 05, 2019 02:57 PM            

Mars square Pluto, I tend to play sports in a very rough manner, I like ittt, it makes me come alive.....

Mars/Jupiter square, out of all of my aspects this is one which I feel gets me into most of the trouble, I just can't help but risk some **** for a bit of thrill.

posted April 05, 2019 05:42 PM            

Sun opposite Pluto
When I was younger, I desired more power and I wanted to be in a dominating position to have the control and the authority. Nowadays, while having power corrupts most people, it doesn't corrupt me anymore, because having power sounds like too much trouble and too much work. I'm not interested in dominating others and I definitely don't want anyone dominating me either. Regardless, most people that try to dominate me will fail.

Mercury square Uranus
It's pretty common for me to jump from one subject to the next without completion of the last subject matter. I'm able to go back and complete my thoughts on a topic properly, but it's significantly easier to do this in writing and nearly impossible with verbal communication.

Venus trine Jupiter
Jupiter is the only planet in my chart that aspects Venus. I've been overindulgent in the past, but I think I'm becoming bored with being overindulgent, so whatever's left of me being overindulgent is probably going to change within the duration of Uranus in Taurus. My case is basically getting too much of what I indulge in and I'm moving toward a point of wanting more balance and less extremes.

posted April 06, 2019 06:09 PM            

For ex my Venus-jupiter conjunction, I have never seen the bad shadow sides of thise tag teams you have as keywords. I love showing love and care through gifts. If I like someone its impossible for me to not give gifts, like I will feel ill if I can’t give gifts. Chocolate gifting is my fav! The sexual aspects you mention is quite the opposite for me. Also never been an ”overindulging” type of person. I’m addicted to tv-shows though. As a distraction from other things in life.

Venus-jupiter is conjunct n.node in my chart and I have read vedic astrology explaining how jupiter conjunct n.node will harness the n.nodes bad sides, and thats true for me atleast.

I won’t go through all the combos you have mentioned but can sat that they do not manifest like that in my life and exoerience. Venus-neptune divine love, yes. ”naive” no. Impossible when one is plutonian
I. love with love? No. I get easily addicted to dopamin rushes having a crush gives though. May be my mars-uranus...

Sun-pluto combo keywords you mentioned, just, nope

posted April 06, 2019 06:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:
Do you mean conjunctions?
And did you mean to portrait the shadowsides of thise combo of planets? Because I don’t feel they describe my combos of thise. They are exaggerated sides of the ”tag teams” I reccon?

For ex my Venus-jupiter conjunction, I have never seen the bad shadow sides of thise tag teams you have as keywords. I love showing love and care through gifts. If I like someone its impossible for me to not give gifts, like I will feel ill if I can’t give gifts. Chocolate gifting is my fav! The sexual aspects you mention is quite the opposite for me. Also never been an ”overindulging” type of person. I’m addicted to tv-shows though. As a distraction from other things in life.

Venus-jupiter is conjunct n.node in my chart and I have read vedic astrology explaining how jupiter conjunct n.node will harness the n.nodes bad sides, and thats true for me atleast.

I won’t go through all the combos you have mentioned but can sat that they do not manifest like that in my life and exoerience. Venus-neptune divine love, yes. ”naive” no. Impossible when one is plutonian
I. love with love? No. I get easily addicted to dopamin rushes having a crush gives though. May be my mars-uranus...

Sun-pluto combo keywords you mentioned, just, nope

But maybe you ment to ask us IF the shadow sides are manifested for us? I don’t know if I’m too tired and failing to read it all correctly so sorry for that😅
Will go to sleep now and try again tomorrow!

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posted April 07, 2019 12:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i have sun-pluto (sextile) and mercury-uranus (trine)

i can't really relate to what you've said about pluto for the most part (and i have it in my first house in most house systems too) i don't give a **** about power because while i prefer to not give mine over to someone else to have them wield anything over me i have zero desire for power over others as well it's all unappealing and too much work

i'd much rather be left alone or find some balance than dominate or be dominated, and i don't really have any ambitions that would require ruthlessness etc and so on

i can relate a lot more to mercury-uranus in the sense that i legit do have a horrible attention span and often go off in a lot of different directions when i speak, and i have an aversion to making any kinds of plans because that sort of commitment just makes me anxious (in a relationship i can commit though provided indefinite monogamy forever isn't expected) people who know me know if they want to do anything with me they should just call me within an hour of it being a thing

my fiancee has a lot of the **** you listed though

sun-mars (square) and she can be too tied to her ego at points so i've seen that

venus-jupiter (sextile) and well we've done the whole three person relationship thing and both like that dynamic and we've got a long history of using drugs together too so that's true

mars-pluto (sextile) and definitely can be like that exactly

moon-neptune (square) she's hypersensitive and moody, but can also be easily manipulated if she feels bad for someone, but with the psychic awareness too

venus-neptune (sextile) she can be very naive about people, but also there's that depth when she really does love (she has venus exactly conjunct pluto in scorpio too so it runs really deep with her) though the taken in by looks thing is true for her too

she's actually told me looks are the most important thing to her and she likes my looks better than my personality (which is fine with me) and that she'll love me forever

she's a pretty intense person to say the least

for the most part you're pretty much right, except i can't relate to sun-pluto but my sun is also square saturn and trine neptune which could be altering that

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Yeah. I reworked the Pluto one because it sounded so corny. At some point I even imagined a cheesy villain patting a cat and hissing with delight That's not Pluto. That's Cruela De Ville

posted April 07, 2019 12:39 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
I have Sun square Pluto. I don't really bother people much, unless they bother me. But I've found that yeah I do like power, and I feel like not everyone is equipped to handle it anyway, so why not give it to someone who can handle it ??

Mars square Pluto, I tend to play sports in a very rough manner, I like ittt, it makes me come alive.....

Mars/Jupiter square, out of all of my aspects this is one which I feel gets me into most of the trouble, I just can't help but risk some **** for a bit of thrill.

Venus/Jupiter, I don't mind this one a bit, this is one of my favorite aspects along with Pluto but Pluto doesn't get me much chicks, this one surely does!!!!

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Do you find that with your Sun-Pluto square, you don't want to be the butt of a joke or have someone tease you(even through being playful)?

posted April 07, 2019 01:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Yeah. I reworked the Pluto one because it sounded so corny. At some point I even imagined a cheesy villain patting a cat and hissing with delight That's not Pluto. That's Cruela De Ville

Please re-read and comment. I did show that I edited some parts

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it's ok if you're secretly one of those villains with a lap cat (even though cats are **** ), nothing to be ashamed of

i wouldn't say i had focused goals, i guess i spend a good deal of my life consumed by studying the occult and meditation etc to a point where it bleeds out into the music i write and is also part of my relationship with my fiancee etc

when my health wasnt preventing me from working i didnt really give a **** about it, it was just money not my life

i don't take well to authority over me even if it's to my detriment

i don't consider my actions the sum of who i am, i think what makes anyone themselves is much deeper than all that

posted April 07, 2019 01:40 PM            

I've Sun sextile Mars - It gives me lotsa energy to attain something but I always play fair and I expect others to do so as well. I don't step on others to get ahead.

Moon trine Jupiter - Usually optimistic but it can be hard to keep it up ALL the time so I do get depressed when the going's really tough but bipolar? haha..

Moon conjunct Neptune - Hypersensitive/psychic awareness, yes. I also cannot stand violence... watching people get bullied, cut, kicked, any form of hurt (even if accidental) gets to me and will stay with me for a long time. I always "feel" people's pain.

Venus opposite Neptune - People have told me I think nice of everyone, so perhaps I'm gullible this way. But I don't do stupid love. I actually do want my ROI. If the people I'm nice to don't reciprocate, I stop being nice, but I don't get nasty either. I think it's quite hard for people with Venus-Neptune to really be nasty.

posted April 07, 2019 02:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Lerena:
I have:
Sun opposite Pluto - orb of 6 degrees
Mercury square Uranus - orb of 4 degrees
Venus trine Jupiter - orb of 1 degree

[b]Sun opposite Pluto
When I was younger, I desired more power and I wanted to be in a dominating position to have the control and the authority. Nowadays, while having power corrupts most people, it doesn't corrupt me anymore, because having power sounds like too much trouble and too much work. I'm not interested in dominating others and I definitely don't want anyone dominating me either. Regardless, most people that try to dominate me will fail.

Mercury square Uranus
It's pretty common for me to jump from one subject to the next without completion of the last subject matter. I'm able to go back and complete my thoughts on a topic properly, but it's significantly easier to do this in writing and nearly impossible with verbal communication.

Venus trine Jupiter
Jupiter is the only planet in my chart that aspects Venus. I've been overindulgent in the past, but I think I'm becoming bored with being overindulgent, so whatever's left of me being overindulgent is probably going to change within the duration of Uranus in Taurus. My case is basically getting too much of what I indulge in and I'm moving toward a point of wanting more balance and less extremes.

Overall, I'm not sure how much of this concept I believe. Some things fit and others don't.[/B]

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I hear you. But the interpretations are not exhaustive. I noticed for instance a recurring theme with Sun-Pluto people(even the "easy" trine and sextile) that there is an issue with authority figures.

For a Pluto-Sun individual to willingly work under someone's tutelage or be under their mentorship, that person must have an irreproachable reputation. Someone whom the Sun-Pluto person takes into high confidence and esteem.

If the manager/boss is questionable on ethics and shifty on the job, head on collisions with the Pluto-Sun person(more so than most other people) are likely to happen which leave permanent marks i.e the Pluto person having to be removed from the department into another one etc.

Sun-Pluto is BIG on doing things with integrity. Not necessarily always on the side of law ofcourse as the Sun-Pluto person believes in absolute alignment (whether it be upholding the law or breaking it)

Now the interesting thing is that they become a powerhouse when they learn to hone all their energies and focus them on life goal.

This is whether its creating a business or raising kids. They typically can raise children of the highest calibre who go out and do great things due to their(kids) often harsh but "self empowering" upbringing.

Sun trine Pluto Richard Williams is the father of Tennis champs Venus/Serena Williams. This is a father who honed his energy and focused it on raising his kids to be disciplined.

posted April 07, 2019 02:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:
Do you mean conjunctions?
And did you mean to portrait the shadowsides of thise combo of planets? Because I don’t feel they describe my combos of thise. They are exaggerated sides of the ”tag teams” I reccon?

For ex my Venus-jupiter conjunction, I have never seen the bad shadow sides of thise tag teams you have as keywords. I love showing love and care through gifts. If I like someone its impossible for me to not give gifts, like I will feel ill if I can’t give gifts. Chocolate gifting is my fav! The sexual aspects you mention is quite the opposite for me. Also never been an ”overindulging” type of person. I’m addicted to tv-shows though. As a distraction from other things in life.

Venus-jupiter is conjunct n.node in my chart and I have read vedic astrology explaining how jupiter conjunct n.node will harness the n.nodes bad sides, and thats true for me atleast.

I won’t go through all the combos you have mentioned but can sat that they do not manifest like that in my life and exoerience. Venus-neptune divine love, yes. ”naive” no. Impossible when one is plutonian
I. love with love? No. I get easily addicted to dopamin rushes having a crush gives though. May be my mars-uranus...

Sun-pluto combo keywords you mentioned, just, nope

But maybe you ment to ask us IF the shadow sides are manifested for us? I don’t know if I’m too tired and failing to read it all correctly so sorry for that😅
Will go to sleep now and try again tomorrow!

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I meant conjunct, opp,square or sex/trine etc.

Venus/Jupiter ime I have found to be heightened in confidence or their taste for things pleasurable. Unless Saturn is in aspect to control things(or Venus-Jupiter is in Cap).

Jupiter is "have some more" or "go further" and Venus is the easy "I just wanna feel good" planet which deals with feelings of pleasure(not necessarily only sexual).

The fact that you nentioned gifting things(Jupiter) for others(Venus) is proof of another manifestation of this energy.

Jupiter is generous to self or through others. Because as we are generous to others, we bring the wonderful feelings back to self. So in actuality we are really giving back to ourselves(in the larger scheme of things)

Neptune on Venus has a similar effect in that it breaks down boundaries and lets love flow. If I could pick a transit for forgiveness , it would be Venus-Neptune.

"Naive" may not be the most flattering or "best" word to use. But what is meant here is the inherent need to always give people the benefit of doubt. And to see them in ways "whole" and "uplifting" than is true of them at that moment.

It is really parts of you that you recognize in another. And this makes you relate to them more as you see no divisional lines. But there is a danger of expecting them to view the world as you do(that's the "naive" part) and then disappointment when they act in a manner that shows them as "less than" who they are. etc.

posted April 07, 2019 03:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries Eagle:
What about Sun Jupiter tag team?

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Is Sun and Jupiter either in Pisces/Sag?Then it emphasizes the qualities of the two signs concerned. Otherwise I think ego-ruled Pluto is more aligned to the Sun than the more "mankind" concerned Jupiter.

Jupiter's exaltation in Cancer stresses the "community" part. The concern for mankind being because one thinks of them as "family". And Jupiter strives to be "egoless" and more "inclusive"

Although Leo is often not given a planet of exaltation, I see Pluto as Leo's exaltation imo. As both Leo and Pluto do not shy away from desires of the ego(nor do they try to suppress).

To Pluto, the "self" matters(And Leo couldn't agree more). Leo believes in the freedom of unedited self expression(And Pluto is not unfamiliar with that language either as "heart on sleeve" is what Pluto is all about)

Now interestingly Sun in Scorpio continues to be the most famed position. Even before I got into astrology,Scorpio Suns "reputation" was known to me.

posted April 07, 2019 03:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
it's ok if you're secretly one of those villains with a lap cat (even though cats are **** ), nothing to be ashamed of

i wouldn't say i had focused goals, i guess i spend a good deal of my life consumed by studying the occult and meditation etc to a point where it bleeds out into the music i write and is also part of my relationship with my fiancee etc

when my health wasnt preventing me from working i didnt really give a **** about it, it was just money not my life

i don't take well to authority over me even if it's to my detriment

i don't consider my actions the sum of who i am, i think what makes anyone themselves is much deeper than all that

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I know the last part makes sense intellectually. But I have found this is not the case practically.

Like for instance if my actions are NOT who I am, I wouldn't wrestle with feelings of wanting to get involved in an "unjust" situation observed.

If I don't take part and just walk on, I judge my action of "inaction" harshly i.e "what kind of person are you to just do nothing?" etc.

Even when I have my friend peruse my writing or creative work(Sun). I feel like every word and punctuation mark is my SOUL.

So when he takes a red pen and rules a line over certain sentences or scratches off certain words, I feel "attacked".

This inability to detach and see my work as "separate" for me is evidence that I see myself in everything I do. I imprint myself through my creative outlet. So as much as I will say " I am not my actions..." etc. In my case "I am".

Or I at-least measure myself by the actions I take. Aunthenticity of the self matters a great deal to me.

posted April 07, 2019 06:00 PM            

Your description of Mars-Pluto, and any description of this combo really, isn't very accurate for me. It is true that my anger is explosive, but I haven't lost my temper properly since my teens. It takes a lot to anger me in the first place and even when I do get angry it takes a lot for me to show it. I'm not the sort whose anger smolders underneath the surface either though. I tend to forget quickly and let go.

I have Mars in Cancer tightly conjunct Midheaven and Mercury. Pluto in Scorpio, second house.

As for Moon-Neptune, I find that rings more true. I wouldn't say I'm overly sensitive or moody, nor am I psychic as far as I know. (I'm generally extremely grounded as far as emotions go, very calm and easy going, despite these highly emotional aspects...) But I am highly in tune with the moods of other people. Most of the times I've cried lately it's been in empathy with someone else, not because of my own hurts. I'm also easily able to view a matter from another person's perspective. It is possible that Moon-Neptune is acting to temper my Mars-Pluto... It's hard to get angry with someone when you are always considering their point of view. And it's difficult to harm anyone when you feel their pain.

Moon is in Virgo 12th house and Neptune in Capricorn, tightly conjunct IC (Neptune is opposite Mars and sextile Pluto while the Moon is sextile both Pluto and Mars, thus these four, plus Mercury, form a Cradle aspect pattern together).

posted April 07, 2019 08:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Do you find that with your Sun-Pluto square, you don't want to be the butt of a joke or have someone tease you(even through being playful)?

I find Sun-Pluto have some strong reactions to being played with or being the butt of a joke. It could because Pluto is linked to the solar ruler of fun(Sun)? But there are some whom I have known to take it pretty hard if people laugh at their expense. They are not good sports about it at all.Especially those with the square(barring Sun is in Sag or Pluto is in Sag)

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posted April 07, 2019 08:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I know the last part makes sense intellectually. But I have found this is not the case practically.

Like for instance if my actions are NOT who I am, I wouldn't wrestle with feelings of wanting to get involved in an "unjust" situation observed.

If I don't take part and just walk on, I judge my action of "inaction" harshly i.e "what kind of person are you to just do nothing?" etc.

Even when I have my friend peruse my writing or creative work(Sun). I feel like every word and punctuation mark is my SOUL.

So when he takes a red pen and rules a line over certain sentences or scratches off certain words, I feel "attacked".

This inability to detach and see my work as "separate" for me is evidence that I see myself in everything I do. I imprint myself through my creative outlet. So as much as I will say " I am not my actions..." etc. In my case "I am".

Or I at-least measure myself by the actions I take. Aunthenticity of the self matters a great deal to me.

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authenticity of self is more than actions, and more than defining yourself by those actions

people are complex and everyone does stupid **** or reacts or is inactive in ways that aren't all there is to them, is it inauthentic? no, it's just that people aren't one dimensional and being authentic isn't as black and white as what you do at any single moment in your life

judging yourself harshly for what you do and don't do is just in your nature, and self reflection is great and all but harsh judgement isn't necessarily fair

if the sum of things becomes a negative pattern then of course there are issues, but people aren't just who they are at bad times they're also the person that comes through it or doesn't and even then there's so much more

when i make music and write lyrics they're part of me, but when i get criticism i see it as a reason to dig deeper and pull more up and improve if i feel like their criticism makes sense

it isn't an attack, just a perspective and nothing personal because art doesn't mean what it does to me the moment it's viewed by someone else it becomes what they see

it's still part of me, but it has its own life as well, that's what creating is giving life to something with part of yourself

and just because something is part of me doesn't mean it's perfect and if i respect someone's opinions then when they give them to me i'm grateful for them because with them i can better myself and my art not just exist in a vacuum or echochamber

posted April 08, 2019 03:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Nadja:
I have Mars trine Pluto (2 degree orb) and Moon trine Neptune (3 degree orb) in my chart.

Your description of Mars-Pluto, and any description of this combo really, isn't very accurate for me. It is true that my anger is explosive, but I haven't lost my temper properly since my teens. It takes a lot to anger me in the first place and even when I do get angry it takes a lot for me to show it. I'm not the sort whose anger smolders underneath the surface either though. I tend to forget quickly and let go.

I have Mars in Cancer tightly conjunct Midheaven and Mercury. Pluto in Scorpio, second house.

As for Moon-Neptune, I find that rings more true. I wouldn't say I'm overly sensitive or moody, nor am I psychic as far as I know. (I'm generally extremely grounded as far as emotions go, very calm and easy going, despite these highly emotional aspects...) But I am highly in tune with the moods of other people. Most of the times I've cried lately it's been in empathy with someone else, not because of my own hurts. I'm also easily able to view a matter from another person's perspective. It is possible that Moon-Neptune is acting to temper my Mars-Pluto... It's hard to get angry with someone when you are always considering their point of view. And it's difficult to harm anyone when you feel their pain.

Moon is in Virgo 12th house and Neptune in Capricorn, tightly conjunct IC (Neptune is opposite Mars and sextile Pluto while the Moon is sextile both Pluto and Mars, thus these four, plus Mercury, form a Cradle aspect pattern together).

I also have Venus-Jupiter and Venus-Neptune connected by minor aspects, a semi-sextile and sesquiquadrate respectively. I definitely have a tendency towards overindulgence... especially in the form of decadence and chasing sensual pleasure in all its forms. And, while I wouldn't call myself naive, I certainly have a good set of rose-colored glasses.

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You have Mars in Cancer trine Pluto in Scorpio and no grudges? Wow. Well perhaps it is the softening effect of the trine?

Mars/Pluto tends to come off quite strong over time ime,even with Mars /Pluto in Libra.

The initial impression with the above is that they are these nice unassuming people. But get to know them within a relationship setting.....Wow!! Quite strong willed and intent full.

My father has the conjunction between Mars and Pluto in Leo.He is not someone that explodes(granted).But his loud voice and more aggressive tone does suggest something brewing underneath.

I wonder if you have Moon in air to offset the emotional Mars/Pluto trine? Unless you are using the energy to be a powerhouse of maternal and/or healing aandhave consciously worked to overcome the need to exact hurt , I find it very unusual for you to say that you "forget quickly" (especially an injury done to you through action or words)

My Aunt has a trine Mars/Neptune in Cancer/Scorpjo respectively. And perhaps it is not the same mix as Pluto/Mars. But even she does not forget how she was "wronged" and how she wants to exact revenge on those who have "wronged" her.

Water (Cancer,Pisces and Scorpio) energy tends towards being defensive & remembering things done to them.But not necessarily the things they do to others.

posted April 08, 2019 03:36 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
No no I'm the butt of my own jokes at times so nyah, and I've been told that I'm a very good sports about it . Well I do have gemini moon so........._.....can't survive without making someone a butt of my jokes or making myself a butt of own jokes. I usually diss myself too so I guess I'm cool about it. I am learning to try to avoid making water moons a butt of my jokes tho, cuz they take it too deeply usually, and block my ass.

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What I meant is; how cool are you being the butt of someone elses jokes? Because by being the butt of your own jokes, it still puts you in the driver's seat. You can never hit yourself "below the belt" in a way that others can.

Say someone engaged an audience by making jokes about you(whilst you are there). Maybe they even had video footage that's quite embarrassing etc. Will you still be a good sport about that?

With Pluto, the idea is that it is THEM who reveal stuff & tell others what they want them to hear.But they are usually not appreciative of those who spill the tea about them (especially when they would much rather keep that said info private).

In other words, even when their partner reveals in a therapy session things of a strongly personal nature that concern Pluto(usually sexual). Oh its the worst betrayal!

Pluto tends to feel "exposed" in the harsh light (this especially when Sun is interacting with Pluto) so there is added need to hide "weaknesses" or perceived "deficiencies".

posted April 08, 2019 07:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
You have Mars in Cancer trine Pluto in Scorpio and no grudges? Wow. Well perhaps it is the softening effect of the trine?

Mars/Pluto tends to come off quite strong over time ime,even with Mars /Pluto in Libra.

The initial impression with the above is that they are these nice unassuming people. But get to know them within a relationship setting.....Wow!! Quite strong willed and intent full.

My father has the conjunction between Mars and Pluto in Leo.He is not someone that explodes(granted).But his loud voice and more aggressive tone does suggest something brewing underneath.

I wonder if you have Moon in air to offset the emotional Mars/Pluto trine? Unless you are using the energy to be a powerhouse of maternal and/or healing aandhave consciously worked to overcome the need to exact hurt , I find it very unusual for you to say that you "forget quickly" (especially an injury done to you through action or words)

My Aunt has a trine Mars/Neptune in Cancer/Scorpjo respectively. And perhaps it is not the same mix as Pluto/Mars. But even she does not forget how she was "wronged" and how she wants to exact revenge on those who have "wronged" her.

Water (Cancer,Pisces and Scorpio) energy tends towards being defensive & remembering things done to them.But not necessarily the things they do to others.

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Well, as I noted my Moon-Neptune trine is in direct contact with the Mars-Pluto trine and I think that has a real impact. Moon is in Virgo 12th sextile Mars as well as Pluto. Neptune on the IC, opposite Mars, sextile Pluto.

My first reaction when I feel hurt is a rose-colored glasses one... maybe they didn't really mean to hurt me and I just misinterpreted their intentions. The next reaction is to consider the other persons feelings. Maybe they are hurting for some unrelated reason right now. I shouldn't take it to heart if they are just acting out because they are feeling hurt. If that is not the case, I usually find myself considering if maybe they have some more deep rooted issues. I could get angry, and possibly want revenge, if the intention was malicious... but there are VERY few cases where I've been hurt and not been able to find a reason I could empathise with.

posted April 08, 2019 08:16 AM            

I guess you have been able to have Mars work more on the reconciliation. Like the energy is more towards "building" than "breaking"? This is still in keeping with family oriented Cancer at its best.

Neptune is conjunct your Ic would definitely soften your inner nature. But with Saturn ruled Cap as the energy there, this empathy is likely within boundaries (Cap)

I have Moon in Cancer conjunct Ic in Cancer. I am very protective and tend to be defensive of my space. I want my home environment to be tension free.

posted April 08, 2019 08:19 AM            

Now again, that I am older, I prioritize and do not just needlessly help those who do not wish to be really helped, and I do not want to be depended on as a crutch long term. It is not healthy. So, I pace myself and deeply deliberate before I really invest myself. If anything, I attempt to help people help themselves if ever I do.

**Mars + Pluto

I give adequate gentle warnings, and even boundaries are set up multiple times. If these are not respected after the umpteenth mention, then yes, I'll get the mini gun out.

** Jupiter + Venus

I do not fall in love with multiple people. I dislike for myself the idea of polyamorous relationships. It is not for me.

posted April 08, 2019 08:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
^^^my Aunt is actually the same. She will start off angry, then say "maybe they were....." in order to offset the momentum of the anger. But she is quick to go back again to being angry if the offsetting tboughts don't work.

I guess you have been able to have Mars work more on the reconciliation. Like the energy is more towards "building" than "breaking"? This is still in keeping with family oriented Cancer at its best.

Neptune is conjunct your Ic would definitely soften your inner nature. But with Saturn ruled Cap as the energy there, this empathy is likely within boundaries (Cap)

I have Moon in Cancer conjunct Ic in Cancer. I am very protective and tend to be defensive of my space. I want my home environment to be tension free.

And with Mars in Libra squaring Ic, this increases the need for peace and heightened sensitivityto any kind of discord. No drama at home.

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Yeah, I rather think it's good that both Moon and Neptune are in earth signs... Keeps me more grounded and within boundaries indeed. I'm not a complete bleeding heart or too sensitive to handle the world. I do have a tendency to absorb the people I meet, their habits and mode of speach, but not to the point of losing myself. Though I do need a lot of alone time to really feel like my own person.

posted April 09, 2019 06:56 AM            

With Sun sextile Pluto, I do identify heavily with my career. And yes, I can get lost in and identify with one area of interest in my job. It's fairly easy for me to let go of control over an area or project, though. I more or less have the attitude of, "Oh, you really want this? Okay, more power to you." I only give power over with my reactions, IMO...if I get upset or make a fuss over giving up control of something, then the other person REALLY knows how much it gets to me. If I'm cool and calm, then I still maintain control over the situation.

I encountered the negative aspects of Moon-Jupiter when I was younger. My Moon is Gemini and my Jupiter is in Leo. Those extreme highs and lows were difficult to navigate. Now that I'm older, I feel like my Saturn and Pluto aspects steer me towards a more somber, quiet existence. I still give generously, though I don't make a big deal about it. I like to give anonymously wherever possible.

I can easily switch back and forth between topics in my mind with Mercury in Uranus, but not during a conversation. My mind can be a bit slow with conversation/interaction in person. My Mercury is retrograde in my natal chart, so that may play a part.